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Post by chep3 on Sept 12, 2014 10:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 12, 2014 10:35:30 GMT -5
Motivation can be a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 12:06:17 GMT -5
Yogi Ferrell is a monster… Quinn Cook should not be on there over D...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 12, 2014 13:11:49 GMT -5
Stats at KenPom are similar for DSR and Ferrell. Edge to DSR. DSR's absence from that list is baffling.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2014 13:17:58 GMT -5
Don't read Lindy's Preview. It will make your blood boil. I'll give a breakdown later.
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Post by seaweed on Sept 12, 2014 17:27:28 GMT -5
A kid who gets up at 6 am to practice foul shots doesn't need motivation. He deserves respect. But we all know, we respect him and the rest of the world will just have to figure it out.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2014 18:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Sept 13, 2014 21:38:16 GMT -5
DSR is the kind of player that opposing fans say "Wow" about after the game is over and they see the stat line. Kills quietly somehow. Must be the lack of explosiveness. I just hope opposing teams sleep on him the way the press does this year.
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Post by Highsmith on Sept 14, 2014 16:58:50 GMT -5
DSR is going to wake up a lot of people this year it seems.....
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 16, 2014 0:39:30 GMT -5
DSR is not one of the 15 best returning guards in the country.
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Post by beenaround on Sept 16, 2014 7:27:39 GMT -5
DSR is a highly skilled guard, without elite athleticism. He may not be a top NBA prospect, but he is among the elite in college for sure.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 16, 2014 7:49:51 GMT -5
DSR is not one of the 15 best returning guards in the country. DSR is one of the 15 best returning guards in the country.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 16, 2014 8:10:48 GMT -5
DSR is not one of the 15 best returning guards in the country. He's better than some of those guards on that list.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2014 19:06:50 GMT -5
I suppose DSR fails the “eye test” for some. He isn’t a jet on the court with a wicked handle and incredible hops. But me personally I think he is fantastic and a joy to watch.
In that thread about the best shooters under III, the majority choose Wallace as the standout. But as great as Wallace’s shot was he was nonetheless pretty much one dimensional on offense. Get an open look, at the three-point line and free throw line, and knock it down. DSR does that too but has a lot more tricks in his bag. He can score within the confines of the Princeton offense or go one-on-one to create for himself and others. His midrange game is simply a lost art. Especially on his pullup which LaPhonso Ellis accurately kept describing as “special” when calling Hoya games in last season’s Puerto Rico tournament. He can hit that pullup jumper after taking one dribble or two. He can hit that pullup after dribbling from one end of the court to the next. He can hit pullup jumpers off stepback moves. Crowd him too far on the perimeter and he can put it on the floor and get to the hoop, and can do so with either hand. He has a money post up move where he seals his man and can hit a tough fadeaway jumper. He has a quick release and a high arc on his shot that allows him to get a good attempts against almost all defenders. He is very strong and can finish through contact. He is a crafty passer both on the break and in the halfcourt. He has a high basketball IQ. Is automatic from the charity stripe. Has his weaknesses on defense but still competes and still makes some fantastic stops on his man when needed. And he rebounds like a forward.
Don’t understand why he fails to get the love from a lot of folks but this has been the case even when he was in high school. Steve Smith of Oak Hill was adamant that DSR was one of the top 20 players of his class and should have been a McDAA. But he never got that recognition and still ain’t getting it most times in college either. I have a lot of respect for rdf’s basketball acumen but he and I flat out disagree about D’Vauntes. RDF doesn’t care for him as a player even though DSR did after one season what he was waiting Freeman to do for four seasons: get his weight under control. That demonstrates dedication in my view. Anyone recall DSR’s first game as a Hoya. Otto was banged up and not playing as Gtown was to play some so-so team at home. Problem was the returning players such as Greg, Jabril, Markel, Nate, etc who were experienced enough to step up and fill the void weren’t that sharp coming out of the gate. That could have been an embarrassing loss if DSR, playing his first game, hadn’t shown any fear and carried the team on offense. That right there was itself a convincing argument that he was special.
I realize around this time a few years back many Hoya fans were disappointed that III seemed to drop the ball on Semaj Christon and ended up with DSR instead. Nonetheless if III had to do it all over again he would be a fool to not go for the same result. We as Hoya fans are fortunate he is playing for our team. First of all he actually decided to stay in school. Yeah, I realize no one had him on their radar in the NBA draft but when has that stopped some guys from making that leap anyway, or these days at least putting their names in the hat to get a grasp of their value? After the numbers he put as a soph DSR had the right to be full of himself and overestimate his worth on the NBA market but instead never indicated he had any intention of taking even a passing look at the draft. Semaj on the other hand entered the draft and fell to the bottom of the second round with no guarantee that he would be playing in the NBA this upcoming season or in years to come. Yeah, I’m glad we got the other guy, particularly considering he will likely be with the team for two more seasons.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2014 22:47:58 GMT -5
Here is a section of a post I wrote the other day in another thread regarding DSR. "He is THE returning leading scorer in the Big East, something that typically gives one a lot of street cred with the media. He is the #7 returning rebounder in the Big East! Yes, you read that right. He is the seventh best returning BE player in as far as rebounding numbers are concerned, one spot ahead of Mikael. He is #2 returning player in 3 Point FG%. In fact he is one of only two BE players who leads all returning players on his team in points, rebounds and assists. The other guy who can say the same is LaDontae Henton of Providence."Thought those numbers would make a convincing argument but apparently they don’t impress folks like Problem of the Dog. So I did some further digging. And to do that I had to betray my principles by resorting to referencing something I typically like to stay away from: indulgent detailed statistical basketball data. (I just puked all over myself). Yeah, that stuff I have gotten into an argument or two about on these boards. So, um, let’s take a look. Taking the entire 2013-2014 season into the equation DSR finished in the top ten of all Big East players in several key categories. Field Goals: #7 Field Goal Percentage # 5 (behind guys like McDermott, JaKarr Sampson and Semaj Christon) 3-Point FG Percentage #5 (behind Wraggle, McDermott, Darrun Hilliard) Free Throws #5 with 158 total (behind Bryce Cotton, Dougie McBuckets, D’Angelo Harrison, Sterling Gibbs) Free Throw Attempts #9, even in the Princeton system, with 181 Free Throw Percentage #1 (.873) Overall Steals #8 Steals Per Game #9 (ahead of Rysheed Jordan) Overall Points #3 (behind McDermott and Cotton) Points Per Game #3 at 17.6 per (behind the same two) Player Efficiency Rating #6 (behind D McD, Davante Gardner, Matt Stainbrook, JayVaughn Pinkston and Cotton) Effective Field Goal Percentage #3 (McDermott is #1) True Shooting Percentage #6 Offensive Rating #3 (behind Gardner and McDermott) Offensive Win Shares...whatever that means! #3 (behind McDermott again and Cotton) Win Shares #3 (behind the same two dudes) DSR was also #17 in 2-point FG %, #16 in Defensive Rebounds, #18 in overall rebounds, #15 in total assists, #16 in assists per game, #19 in Assist Percentage, and #15 in Steal Percentage. Furthermore despite being #6 in Minutes Played and #15 in Usage Percentage DSR did not make the Top 20 list of BE players with the most turnovers (Markel did ) or most personal fouls (Nate and Jabril made that list). He was #9 however in Turnover Percentage which I suppose is the one real negative showing he has in these statistical rankings. Just how many returning guards in the county can boast of such a showing in their conferences? Fifteen? How many returning players of any position make such claims? I’ll throw in that there was a rib injury that DSR suffered during the first Creighton game that clearly impacted his numbers negatively for the five or six games that immediately followed. Who knows how greater a statistical season he could have had if it wasn’t for that. Now excuse me as I take a shower or two. I feel dirty.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 16, 2014 22:54:22 GMT -5
I suppose DSR fails the “eye test” for some. He isn’t a jet on the court with a wicked handle and incredible hops. But me personally I think he is fantastic and a joy to watch. In that thread about the best shooters under III, the majority choose Wallace as the standout. But as great as Wallace’s shot was he was nonetheless pretty much one dimensional on offense. Get an open look, at the three-point line and free throw line, and knock it down. DSR does that too but has a lot more tricks in his bag. He can score within the confines of the Princeton offense or go one-on-one to create for himself and others. His midrange game is simply a lost art. Especially on his pullup which LaPhonso Ellis accurately kept describing as “special” when calling Hoya games in last season’s Puerto Rico tournament. He can hit that pullup jumper after taking one dribble or two. He can hit that pullup after dribbling from one end of the court to the next. He can hit pullup jumpers off stepback moves. Crowd him too far on the perimeter and he can put it on the floor and get to the hoop, and can do so with either hand. He has a money post up move where he seals his man and can hit a tough fadeaway jumper. He has a quick release and a high arc on his shot that allows him to get a good attempts against almost all defenders. He is very strong and can finish through contact. He is a crafty passer both on the break and in the halfcourt. He has a high basketball IQ. Is automatic from the charity stripe. Has his weaknesses on defense but still competes and still makes some fantastic stops on his man when needed. And he rebounds like a forward. Don’t understand why he fails to get the love from a lot of folks but this has been the case even when he was in high school. Steve Smith of Oak Hill was adamant that DSR was one of the top 20 players of his class and should have been a McDAA. But he never got that recognition and still ain’t getting it most times in college either. I have a lot of respect for rdf’s basketball acumen but he and I flat out disagree about D’Vauntes. RDF doesn’t care for him as a player even though DSR did after one season what he was waiting Freeman to do for four seasons: get his weight under control. That demonstrates dedication in my view. Anyone recall DSR’s first game as a Hoya. Otto was banged up and not playing as Gtown was to play some so-so team at home. Problem was the returning players such as Greg, Jabril, Markel, Nate, etc who were experienced enough to step up and fill the void weren’t that sharp coming out of the gate. That could have been an embarrassing loss if DSR, playing his first game, hadn’t shown any fear and carried the team on offense. That right there was itself a convincing argument that he was special. I realize around this time a few years back many Hoya fans were disappointed that III seemed to drop the ball on Semaj Christon and ended up with DSR instead. Nonetheless if III had to do it all over again he would be a fool to not go for the same result. We as Hoya fans are fortunate he is playing for our team. First of all he actually decided to stay in school. Yeah, I realize no one had him on their radar in the NBA draft but when has that stopped some guys from making that leap anyway, or these days at least putting their names in the hat to get a grasp of their value? After the numbers he put as a soph DSR had the right to be full of himself and overestimate his worth on the NBA market but instead never indicated he had any intention of taking even a passing look at the draft. Semaj on the other hand entered the draft and fell to the bottom of the second round with no guarantee that he would be playing in the NBA this upcoming season or in years to come. Yeah, I’m glad we got the other guy, particularly considering he will likely be with the team for two more seasons. Great post MCI. Well stated. And I agree completely.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 16, 2014 22:57:21 GMT -5
Here is a section of a post I wrote the other day in another thread regarding DSR. "He is THE returning leading scorer in the Big East, something that typically gives one a lot of street cred with the media. He is the #7 returning rebounder in the Big East! Yes, you read that right. He is the seventh best returning BE player in as far as rebounding numbers are concerned, one spot ahead of Mikael. He is #2 returning player in 3 Point FG%. In fact he is one of only two BE players who leads all returning players on his team in points, rebounds and assists. The other guy who can say the same is LaDontae Henton of Providence."Thought those numbers would make a convincing argument but apparently they don’t impress folks like Problem of the Dog. So I did some further digging. And to do that I had to betray my principles by resorting to referencing something I typically like to stay away from: indulgent detailed statistical basketball data. (I just puked all over myself). Yeah, that stuff I have gotten into an argument or two about on these boards. So, um, let’s take a look. Taking the entire 2013-2014 season into the equation DSR finished in the top ten of all Big East players in several key categories. Field Goals: #7 Field Goal Percentage # 5 (behind guys like McDermott, JaKarr Sampson and Semaj Christon) 3-Point FG Percentage #5 (behind Wraggle, McDermott, Darrun Hilliard) Free Throws #5 with 158 total (behind Bryce Cotton, Dougie McBuckets, D’Angelo Harrison, Sterling Gibbs) Free Throw Attempts #9, even in the Princeton system, with 181 Free Throw Percentage #1 (.873) Overall Steals #8 Steals Per Game #9 (ahead of Rysheed Jordan) Overall Points #3 (behind McDermott and Cotton) Points Per Game #3 at 17.6 per (behind the same two) Player Efficiency Rating #6 (behind D McD, Davante Gardner, Matt Stainbrook, JayVaughn Pinkston and Cotton) Effective Field Goal Percentage #3 (McDermott is #1) True Shooting Percentage #6 Offensive Rating #3 (behind Gardner and McDermott) Offensive Win Shares...whatever that means! #3 (behind McDermott again and Cotton) Win Shares #3 (behind the same two dudes) DSR was also #17 in 2-point FG %, #16 in Defensive Rebounds, #18 in overall rebounds, #15 in total assists, #16 in assists per game, #19 in Assist Percentage, and #15 in Steal Percentage. Furthermore despite being #6 in Minutes Played and #15 in Usage Percentage DSR did not make the Top 20 list of BE players with the most turnovers (Markel did ) or most personal fouls (Nate and Jabril made that list). He was #9 however in Turnover Percentage which I suppose is the one real negative showing he has in these statistical rankings. Just how many returning guards in the county can boast of such a showing in their conferences? Fifteen? How many returning players of any position make such claims? I’ll throw in that there was a rib injury that DSR suffered during the first Creighton game that clearly impacted his numbers negatively for the five or six games that immediately followed. Who knows how greater a statistical season he could have had if it wasn’t for that. Now excuse me as I take a shower or two. I feel dirty. I'd be willing to bet that if the preseason player accolades were voted on by players in the conference, you'd see him lighting up the lists like he lit up a bunch of teams last season. Add to it that, while he's got a little of Freeman's stoicism and lack of change in demeanor to him, he's also got some Jabril. I get the sense that he loves killing his man. Damn, it's fun to watch that level of competitiveness. I wonder if all of the wrinkles in his offensive game come from that. The spin and stepback and the midrange. He's not explosive enough to get by all defenders so he's creative instead and gets the same results. Makes guys guarding him look really bad at times. Even guys that are quicker and faster. Fun to see because he's wearing a Georgetown uni. I'd absolutely hate it (though respect it) from a guy in opposing colors.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 16, 2014 23:03:35 GMT -5
DSR is not one of the 15 best returning guards in the country. DSR is one of the 15 best returning guards in the country. A riveting Point / Counterpoint, brought to you by the good folks at HoyaTalk.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2014 23:17:58 GMT -5
I'd be willing to bet that if the preseason player accolades were voted on by players in the conference, you'd see him lighting up the lists like he lit up a bunch of teams last season. [/quote] Heck, ESPN's Mike "holy cow" Patrick whom Hoya fans at times have accused of being anti-Georgetown is practically in love with DSR and said in broadcasts last season that DSR will be a superstar his final two seasons. Where are those voices (him, LaPhonso Ellis, all the guys who called games on FOX) when getting input regarding which returning players are to be considered elite? That could very well be the case. If you are very tall and very athletic you don't have to make such adjustments. But if you happen to fall short in one or both categories you have to make adjustments. Even some great players who went on to the Hall of Fame had to make such adjustments. Still the game that really convinced me about DSR being a beast was that game in Puerto Rico against VCU. It took awhile for DSR and Starks to figure out the VCU press but nonetheless DSR came through. Driving on those guys for spin moves leading to layups. Taking guys off the dribble for pullup jumpers. Nailing long three pointers even with bouncy, long defenders in his face. Doing all that despite having to play all those minutes to boot was crazy and proved how legit he was. I only wish Josh Smith had played an entire season because DSR and Markel became like the sole focus of the opposing team's defense when Josh was out of the equation. Marcus Paige may be the only junior guard I'll take over DSR but even Paige had the benefit of playing alongside more stud players which meant defenses couldn't key solely on him or one other teammate. People don't appreciate all that Markel and D'Vauntes had to do last season. Agreed. What if he had stuck with his initial commitment to Xavier? The Hoyas would be dealing with that dude for two more years.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 16, 2014 23:45:17 GMT -5
I'd be willing to bet that if the preseason player accolades were voted on by players in the conference, you'd see him lighting up the lists like he lit up a bunch of teams last season. Heck, ESPN's Mike "holy cow" Patrick whom Hoya fans at times have accused of being anti-Georgetown is practically in love with DSR and said in broadcasts last season that DSR will be a superstar his final two seasons. Where are those voices (him, LaPhonso Ellis, all the guys who called games on FOX) when getting input regarding which returning players are to be considered elite? That could very well be the case. If you are very tall and very athletic you don't have to make such adjustments. But if you happen to fall short in one or both categories you have to make adjustments. Even some great players who went on to the Hall of Fame had to make such adjustments. Still the game that really convinced me about DSR being a beast was that game in Puerto Rico against VCU. It took awhile for DSR and Starks to figure out the VCU press but nonetheless DSR came through. Driving on those guys for spin moves leading to layups. Taking guys off the dribble for pullup jumpers. Nailing long three pointers even with bouncy, long defenders in his face. Doing all that despite having to play all those minutes to boot was crazy and proved how legit he was. I only wish Josh Smith had played an entire season because DSR and Markel became like the sole focus of the opposing team's defense when Josh was out of the equation. Marcus Paige may be the only junior guard I'll take over DSR but even Paige had the benefit of playing alongside more stud players which meant defenses couldn't key solely on him or one other teammate. People don't appreciate all that Markel and D'Vauntes had to do last season. Agreed. What if he had stuck with his initial commitment to Xavier? The Hoyas would be dealing with that dude for two more years. [/quote] As per usual, better stated and more detailed than my post but exactly what I was trying to convey. I always get excited to see the freshmen play but, as with Jeff and Greg, I'm most excited to see DSR suit back up. I know he's added to his game because that's what he does. He has to because he's not the ideal size and isn't the uber-athlete but the kid gets it done in a big way. I don't know the guy but I respect that he knows himself and knows what he needs to do to succeed and does it. It's incredibly easy to root for a person like that. I'd be surprised if he's not, at the very least, in the conversation for BE POY if his arc continues.
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