SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 3, 2015 11:24:53 GMT -5
You have to wonder what would have happened if Tyler Adams had played. Put up impressive numbers in High School but it was a Mass high school. If I recall so did Nate Lubick. WE saw how that worked out.. No, it was not a Massachusetts HS, it was a Mississippi HS. Brandon High in Brandon, Miss. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/adams_tyler00.html
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 3, 2015 11:33:09 GMT -5
Butler has no answer for Smith. He should receive the ball early and often tonight.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 3, 2015 12:36:55 GMT -5
Butler has no answer for Smith. He should receive the ball early and often tonight. Yes. Before he sits with foul trouble.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 3, 2015 12:44:13 GMT -5
Probably true; all the more reason to get him the ball early in the game.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2015 14:37:58 GMT -5
Bradley may need to be ready in March (again) like he needed to be ready for last year's NIT game vs Florida State, which had a very tall frontcourt and JT3 couldn't get away with playing Caprio, Hops was MIA after 4 fouls in 6 minutes, etc... FSU did not have a very big front court. In fact, they played three guards the majority of the game. GU's centers stats were as "impressive" or "unimpressive" as the 'Noles: Hopkins played 6 minutes, 0-1 from the field, 4 fouls, no points; Abraham played 15 minutes, 0-1 from the field, 2-2 from the line, 6 rebounds (2 offensive), 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover, 3 fouls, 2 points; Hayes played 13 minutes, 1-2 from the field, 2-2 from the line, 4 rebounds (1 offensive), 1 steal, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls and 4 points. For FSU, Oto played 9 minutes, 1-1 from the field, 0-1 from the line, 1 rebound, 2 turnovers, 2 fouls and 2 points, and Bojanovsky played 24 minutes, 2-2 from the field, 2-3 from the line, 4 rebounds (1 offensive), 2 assists, 1 block, 3 fouls and 6 points. That was not the difference in the game. I saw FSU in person and believe they had one of the tallest college teams I’ve seen in person going back all the way back to the Mutombo years. First, I said frontcourt, not just center. FSU's centers Ojo and Boris were 7’1” and 7’3”, respectively, while we had 6'9" Hops and 6'9" Moses. Second, you forgot the rest of their frontcourt: 6’9” White who played 29 mins, 5-7 2FGs, 2-2 3FGs, 4-4 FTs, 4 rbs, 1 a, 1 s, 3 b, 1 TO, 3 PFs and 16 pts; 6’9” Gilchrist, 7 mins, 1-3 2Fgs, 0-1 3FGs, 2 pts; 6’9” Smith, 9 mins, 2 rbs, 1 b, 3 TOs, 4 PFs, 4 pts. JT3 could only counter with 6’9” Nate and 6’7” Reggie. Caprio was not used. JT3 had to play Hayes. Hayes, though, may have been the difference, in that with the score 36-33 FSU with 2:21 to play in the first half, he picked up a foul and matching technical with Bojanovsky, That's when it got out of reach: 2:05 FSU 3 point basket 1:46 GU turnover by Smith-Rivera 1:31 FSU 3 point basket 1:33 Cameron missed a jumper 1:21 FSU dunk 1:13 GU timeout (yes, JT3 did call a timeout to try to stop a run) 1:02 Smith-Rivera hits two foul shots 0:51 FSU 3 point basket, and a foul shot on a foul by Bowen to complete a 4 point play 0:32 Smith-Rivera missed a 3 point shot 0:04 FSU missed a 3 point shot In just over two minutes, the FSU lead ballooned to 48-35 at the half. I don’t believe you’re saying that Hayes is at fault for those 3-pointers. In that set of plays, there’s only one 2FG, a dunk. FSU shot 68.2% from the field, and 68.8% on three-point shots (11-16) for the game. I don't remember any big men taking any three-point shots. It was the Seminole guards that killed us. 6’9” White who played 29 mins, 5-7 2FGs, 2-2 3FGs, 4-4 FTs, 4 rbs, 1 a, 1 s, 3 b, 1 TO, 3 PFs and 16 pts The continuing narrative that (a) JT3 has failed to use Hayes enough such that he can help us win in March, and (b) Hayes is capable of being the difference in a March game, is beyond tiresome. Weeks ago I inquired as to whether anyone had seen anything in Hayes's on-court play to justify additional playing time. I am still waiting for an example of what he has done. No one is saying that Hayes might be the difference in wins and in March. The repeating narrative is for Hayes to have played single-digit mpg during the season just in case JT3 does not have a way around playing him 13 minutes in March and we expect a good outcome (surprisingly it was vsFSU). As to your inquiry, that FSU game should answer it (“Hayes played 13 minutes, 1-2 from the field, 2-2 from the line, 4 rebounds (1 offensive), 1 steal, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls and 4 points.”).
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 15:06:20 GMT -5
One question, prhoya: If Hayes played so well in the final game of the 2013-2014 season, why didn't he get more playing time against the OOC competition at the start of this season? Thirteen solid minutes (or, to use your words, "a good outcome. . .[as] it was vsFSU") against a quality front court, as you seem to indicate FSU had, should have placed Hayes in position to get more playing time right from the start of this season.
I have no expectations at all from Hayes at this stage. If he comes in and does anything, it is a positive. In the same regard, if he is playing thirteen minutes in a game in March, based upon how he has failed to crack the rotation this season, it probably means that our front line is foul-ridden and the game is well out of reach.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2015 15:18:21 GMT -5
One question, prhoya: If Hayes played so well in the final game of the 2013-2014 season, why didn't he get more playing time against the OOC competition at the start of this season? Thirteen solid minutes (or, to use your words, "a good outcome. . .[as] it was vsFSU") against a quality front court, as you seem to indicate FSU had, should have placed Hayes in position to get more playing time right from the start of this season. According to the pre-season/early reports, he was hurt and had to wear a boot. With no info from Admin, who knows when he was healthy again and available. I have no expectations at all from Hayes at this stage. If he comes in and does anything, it is a positive. In the same regard, if he is playing thirteen minutes in a game in March, based upon how he has failed to crack the rotation this season, it probably means that our front line is foul-ridden and the game is well out of reach. True, except for the "out of reach" part as vs FSU. I don't think we'll face a team as tall as FSU, so Cope or White will probably be at the 5.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 15:26:35 GMT -5
The box scores from the first three games of the season, played before the Paradise Jam tournament in Nassau, show Hayes played five minutes against St. Francis NY, two minutes against Texas A&M-CC and three minutes against Robert Morris. If his foot, booted or otherwise, were an injury concern, he would not have played at all in those games.
We're both beating an expired equine at this point.
You're right about it being unlikely that extraordinary height will be an issue going forward.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2015 15:33:20 GMT -5
The box scores from the first three games of the season, played before the Paradise Jam tournament in Nassau, show Hayes played five minutes against St. Francis NY, two minutes against Texas A&M-CC and three minutes against Robert Morris. If his foot, booted or otherwise, were an injury concern, he would not have played at all in those games. At that point, he was catching up. You can go further back and find JT3's quote regarding how Hayes was most improved or something like that. Beat on or just agree that he'll play only in an emergency.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 3, 2015 15:37:31 GMT -5
I think we agree that, unless it is an emergency, we'll not see Hayes play again this season.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2015 15:40:27 GMT -5
I think we agree that, unless it is an emergency, we'll not see Hayes play again this season. We do, or a blow-out. As to next year, we're not allowed to speculate here.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 3, 2015 22:13:21 GMT -5
How wrong we all were!
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 4, 2015 10:53:22 GMT -5
I liked the usage of Hayes. Thats what I've wanted to see all year. End of the game is crunch time and we don't want both Smith and Hopkins fouled out. If both get early foul trouble Hayes can provide 30 seconds/a minute of rest to whichever C has less fouls at the end of the 1st half.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 4, 2015 10:59:14 GMT -5
Exactly what many of us were looking for! Only Hoyatalk could turn that into a War and Peace caliber debate. Bravo!
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 4, 2015 11:20:58 GMT -5
Well, it has been a difficult winter in the Northeast. . .I'm guessing that Wojo plays the part of Napolean?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2015 13:06:47 GMT -5
I liked the usage of Hayes. Thats what I've wanted to see all year. End of the game is crunch time and we don't want both Smith and Hopkins fouled out. If both get early foul trouble Hayes can provide 30 seconds/a minute of rest to whichever C has less fouls at the end of the 1st half. That's the way he's used him all year.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 4, 2015 14:33:11 GMT -5
I liked the usage of Hayes. Thats what I've wanted to see all year. End of the game is crunch time and we don't want both Smith and Hopkins fouled out. If both get early foul trouble Hayes can provide 30 seconds/a minute of rest to whichever C has less fouls at the end of the 1st half. That's the way he's used him all year. I'm not sure I follow you, but Hayes has played in only 9 BE games: 7 of which were blow-outs, last night and @ Prov (played 7 mins) which was an OT game.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2015 14:47:38 GMT -5
Hayes will come in when we need him for a few mins because Josh and Hop can't be on the floor. III's done this before in a time of need.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 4, 2015 14:49:26 GMT -5
Hayes will come in when we need him for a few mins because Josh and Hop can't be on the floor. III's done this before in a time of need. Should do it more... (ducks!)
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2015 14:50:36 GMT -5
Hayes will come in when we need him for a few mins because Josh and Hop can't be on the floor. III's done this before in a time of need. Should do it more... (ducks!) LOL
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