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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 20, 2014 13:17:45 GMT -5
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Post by Talos on Jul 20, 2014 15:15:30 GMT -5
And it seems Mr. Lawson has two more sons as well...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 20, 2014 18:23:42 GMT -5
Is it just my limited knowledge of these matters -or is there anyone who does less with highly rated recruiting classes than Partner?
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Post by tigerj on Jul 20, 2014 21:32:18 GMT -5
Is it just my limited knowledge of these matters -or is there anyone who does less with highly rated recruiting classes than Partner? Where was GTown last year?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 20, 2014 21:58:41 GMT -5
Is it just my limited knowledge of these matters -or is there anyone who does less with highly rated recruiting classes than Partner? He's gotta be up there. You can watch their team play and just see that he's getting outcoached consistently -- his players rarely show the skill level or discipline of more successful teams. I can't wait for the annual "Gary Parrish says this year is really Memphis' year column."
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Post by dense on Jul 20, 2014 23:29:00 GMT -5
Is it just my limited knowledge of these matters -or is there anyone who does less with highly rated recruiting classes than Partner? Where was GTown last year? Didnt have a rated class at all just one recruit....getting offended on this board is silly. Dont let facts stand in way of your response.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 21, 2014 10:50:54 GMT -5
Is it just my limited knowledge of these matters -or is there anyone who does less with highly rated recruiting classes than Partner? Where was GTown last year? Just yanking your chain a little tiger. Our recruiting has been subpar the last couple of years. Now if we don't do anything with the next couple of classes, you may have a point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 11:17:50 GMT -5
Is it just my limited knowledge of these matters -or is there anyone who does less with highly rated recruiting classes than Partner? Where was GTown last year? We have matched up a few times recently head to head….
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Post by tigerj on Jul 21, 2014 20:20:35 GMT -5
Where was GTown last year? Didnt have a rated class at all just one recruit....getting offended on this board is silly. Dont let facts stand in way of your response. Pastner was able to sweep Pitino and Larry Brown. He then won the Ole Spice Classic against #5 OK State and beat Gonzaga. He also beat a very talent LSU team. He gets better every year. The fact team fans keep going back to his past to judge him now is silly. He has improved greatly from year 1.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2014 21:27:05 GMT -5
tigerj, SMU split with you last year. If you're gonna try to make points, at least have your info right about your team. And to say that OK State was actually 5 in the country is ridiculous. Anyway, people get judged on their past history. Of course they do. That's how one gets a reputation and builds a track record. Which isn't to say that he hasn't had better records. He has. And he, apparently, has cleaned up a dirty program which is great. Having said that, he's a much better recruiter than he is a coach. You're fooling yourself if you think that's not the case. Recruiting is a huge part of winning. If his coaching ever catches up to his recruiting, then you'll really have something.
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Post by tigerj on Jul 21, 2014 21:37:44 GMT -5
tigerj, SMU split with you last year. If you're gonna try to make points, at least have your info right about your team. And to say that OK State was actually 5 in the country is ridiculous. Anyway, people get judged on their past history. Of course they do. That's how one gets a reputation and builds a track record. Which isn't to say that he hasn't had better records. He has. And he, apparently, has cleaned up a dirty program which is great. Having said that, he's a much better recruiter than he is a coach. You're fooling yourself if you think that's not the case. Recruiting is a huge part of winning. If his coaching ever catches up to his recruiting, then you'll really have something. I didn't mean to say swept Larry Brown and I know Pastner is a better recruiter than he is a coach. Calipari is the same way. I just don't see how people start that talent wasting at Memphis argument. None of those guys are bust. Joe Jackson finished his career breaking records at the U of M. Will Barton plays for Portland and there are many more players who have made something out of themselves while playing for Pastner. Kids like him and he doesn't guarantee playing time to any recruit. Everybody works for it.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2014 21:54:06 GMT -5
tigerj, SMU split with you last year. If you're gonna try to make points, at least have your info right about your team. And to say that OK State was actually 5 in the country is ridiculous. Anyway, people get judged on their past history. Of course they do. That's how one gets a reputation and builds a track record. Which isn't to say that he hasn't had better records. He has. And he, apparently, has cleaned up a dirty program which is great. Having said that, he's a much better recruiter than he is a coach. You're fooling yourself if you think that's not the case. Recruiting is a huge part of winning. If his coaching ever catches up to his recruiting, then you'll really have something. I didn't mean to say swept Larry Brown and I know Pastner is a better recruiter than he is a coach. Calipari is the same way. I just don't see how people start that talent wasting at Memphis argument. None of those guys are bust. Joe Jackson finished his career breaking records at the U of M. Will Barton plays for Portland and there are many more players who have made something out of themselves while playing for Pastner. Kids like him and he doesn't guarantee playing time to any recruit. Everybody works for it. They're saying that he's not a very good coach which would almost necessarily mean that he's not getting the most out of his talent. I would tend to agree. That said, a lot of deficiencies can be masked by high level recruiting. Pastner does that. If his coaching catches up a bit, you guys are in business. And he has the motivation to do just that with higher level competition in your conference now. Memphis can't mail it in and be top dog in the conference any longer. And UConn is going to get recruits because they're UConn. Pastner isn't going to always have the most talented team on the floor as a given every night. He's going to need to supplement that on the floor. We'll see. As a fan, you've got to be excited.
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Post by tigerj on Jul 21, 2014 22:29:22 GMT -5
I didn't mean to say swept Larry Brown and I know Pastner is a better recruiter than he is a coach. Calipari is the same way. I just don't see how people start that talent wasting at Memphis argument. None of those guys are bust. Joe Jackson finished his career breaking records at the U of M. Will Barton plays for Portland and there are many more players who have made something out of themselves while playing for Pastner. Kids like him and he doesn't guarantee playing time to any recruit. Everybody works for it. They're saying that he's not a very good coach which would almost necessarily mean that he's not getting the most out of his talent. I would tend to agree. That said, a lot of deficiencies can be masked by high level recruiting. Pastner does that. If his coaching catches up a bit, you guys are in business. And he has the motivation to do just that with higher level competition in your conference now. Memphis can't mail it in and be top dog in the conference any longer. And UConn is going to get recruits because they're UConn. Pastner isn't going to always have the most talented team on the floor as a given every night. He's going to need to supplement that on the floor. We'll see. As a fan, you've got to be excited. I am excited about this season even though we are suppose to be down this year. If our PG situation gets cleared up we will have an extra weapon to go with the stacked frontcourt we have returning. Also like Georgetown and Cuse this will be a tall team. Our starting PG could be 6'5, 6'6 SG, 6'7SF, 6'9 PF, and 6'9 C. It has been awhile since we possessed this kind of length. I think Pastner's scheme on defense and offense will work better with this group. Till this year we have had to compensate playing players out of position because we didn't have the depth at frontcourt. Pastner has fulfilled that with nice pieces. Also it helps that he has been able to be selective in who he targets over the past 2 years. Can't wait for the season!
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2014 22:50:40 GMT -5
I hear you on playing guys out of position. We've done a lot of that in recent years. We don't know how much we'll have to do that again this year. A lot of that depends on Joshua Smith and his eligibility/conditioning. We also won't be starting a true point and, as far as length, we'll be good in that regard in the frontcourt but less so in the back depending on the lineups. As a Hoya fan, I'm excited to see the new kids (as I always am) and, reportedly, for good reason. Our staff has really picked it up on the recruiting side of things and it's happening at the best possible time with our new conference. It wasn't many years ago that the Georgetown folks hated Memphis because of Cal and all that he represented. I think that's changed a bit and, personally, I wish success for almost any conference that isn't called the ACC. Summer is flying by too quickly but the upside is that November is getting closer. I'll never not root against UConn so, on some days, I'll be rooting for your Tigers. On an unrelated tangent, as a Memphis guy, what is your level of hate on a scale from 1 to 10 for Syracuse? Anything above 25 is acceptable.
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Post by tigerj on Jul 21, 2014 22:56:59 GMT -5
I hear you on playing guys out of position. We've done a lot of that in recent years. We don't know how much we'll have to do that again this year. A lot of that depends on Joshua Smith and his eligibility/conditioning. We also won't be starting a true point and, as far as length, we'll be good in that regard in the frontcourt but less so in the back depending on the lineups. As a Hoya fan, I'm excited to see the new kids (as I always am) and, reportedly, for good reason. Our staff has really picked it up on the recruiting side of things and it's happening at the best possible time with our new conference. It wasn't many years ago that the Georgetown folks hated Memphis because of Cal and all that he represented. I think that's changed a bit and, personally, I wish success for almost any conference that isn't called the ACC. Summer is flying by too quickly but the upside is that November is getting closer. I'll never not root against UConn so, on some days, I'll be rooting for your Tigers. On an unrelated tangent, as a Memphis guy, what is your level of hate on a scale from 1 to 10 for Syracuse? Anything above 25 is acceptable. I don't like the fact that Cuse plays the zone. We aren't in many recruiting battles with them and the only recruit we beat them out for was Kuran Iverson.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2014 23:00:26 GMT -5
I hear you on playing guys out of position. We've done a lot of that in recent years. We don't know how much we'll have to do that again this year. A lot of that depends on Joshua Smith and his eligibility/conditioning. We also won't be starting a true point and, as far as length, we'll be good in that regard in the frontcourt but less so in the back depending on the lineups. As a Hoya fan, I'm excited to see the new kids (as I always am) and, reportedly, for good reason. Our staff has really picked it up on the recruiting side of things and it's happening at the best possible time with our new conference. It wasn't many years ago that the Georgetown folks hated Memphis because of Cal and all that he represented. I think that's changed a bit and, personally, I wish success for almost any conference that isn't called the ACC. Summer is flying by too quickly but the upside is that November is getting closer. I'll never not root against UConn so, on some days, I'll be rooting for your Tigers. On an unrelated tangent, as a Memphis guy, what is your level of hate on a scale from 1 to 10 for Syracuse? Anything above 25 is acceptable. I don't like the fact that Cuse plays the zone. We aren't in many recruiting battles with them and the only recruit we beat them out for was Kuran Iverson. That's all ya got? The zone? Ugh. That makes me want to make a Derrick Rose joke. I guess I'll settle for our Iverson was better than your Iverson. Na, na, na-na-na!
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Post by tigerj on Jul 22, 2014 9:32:16 GMT -5
Memphis fans can't relate to Cuse. We relate to hating Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisville, and Ole Miss.
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Post by thejerseytornado on Jul 22, 2014 9:53:44 GMT -5
Memphis fans can't relate to Cuse. We relate to hating Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisville, and Ole Miss. I don't want to come off wrong, but I keep coming back to this post thinking there will be an update about Georgetown recruiting this summer and instead reading about Pastner and Memphis. I DON'T CARE. please, move this to some other thread or board where it's remotely related to the topic at hand.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 22, 2014 12:41:54 GMT -5
In many ways, I agree with what has been said about Pastner in this thread, both positive and negative. That said, Memphis is Pastner's first head coaching job. I think he is growing into the job, getting better every year. I know it's fashionable to knock him, and I have, but I see no reason why he can't continue to improve. He's certainly better than when he started.
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Post by tigerj on Sept 16, 2014 12:16:34 GMT -5
List of Bigs Memphis has developed in the last 30 years: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. If he picks Memphis kid should definitely get that up-front money… just saying That is not entirely fair. William Bedford's coke dealer made it huge thanks to Memphis. Memphis produced Lorenzo Wright(RIP), Earl Barron, Joey Dorsey actually signed with Rockets this season, Keith Lee( greatest big to play at Memphis). We haven't been known for getting bigs to the NBA with our previous coaches. Pastner came from Arizona and is focused on getting bigs that are top 100. He prefers to have a athletic shot blocking center with a stretch 4 which Skal will play for us next season. Shaq Goodwin will not be here next year. He is going in the draft this year no matter what. I am hoping Austin Nichols doesn't blowup too big this year to keep some experienced bigs for next season. I am not hyping Shaq up but he will at least make the second round if his jump shot hasn't improved. He is a 6'9 PF who is very agile and has a high motor. He went from 9 and 5 is frosh year to 13 and 7 last year. Turns that into a double double he will get drafted especially with his rebounding and toughness. I expect a frontcourt of: Nichols Skal Dedric Iverson
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