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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 6, 2005 21:17:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I meant the Yates/Kehoe combo...from what I understand, it wasn't built to last. That kind of setup is the best use of space, but I don't know how useful the field is when not on real ground. This isn't on the table, but maybe it should be. I think we should flatten the Yates/Kehoe complex and build an uber-complex that could house a pool, exercise facilities for undergrads and athletes, a 10,000 seat basketball arena, and tennis courts. I am not an architect, but I think it can be done. This would free up considerable space in the SWQ area and make use of the Leavey Parking Garage and other parking lots after business hours. Anyway, I have no idea about feasibility and space issues, but this is an idea worth exploring IMO.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 6, 2005 21:54:56 GMT -5
to clarify something posted earlier in this thread, and i am surprised Nevada hasnt chimed in to do this himself, but the track program is still getting the shaft, GU is working on a track that will not be a real track and will not be able to hold meets. a disgrace for what has been consistently the most successful sports program at GU for decades. I wasn't able to chime in, because I couldn't read the board yesterday and today until now. What more can I say; it is a crying shame that all our wonderful track and field athletes do not have a home of their own and have to be bussed to the local HS for practice. It is a wonder we still have the great athletes that we do have and continue to recruit well (as I mentioned on the GU Sports board, we recruited probably the #1 distance runner (1mile- 5000m) in the country. Our pre-eminence in academics still has an appeal for the track and field athlete, as that was a major attraction for him. The Duke Ellington track will be better than nothing, although it is about 300m (pretty bad for learning pacing). Does anyone know how this project is progressing? I remember a pleasant evening about 10 years ago, when I stayed in campus (I had business in DC) and to my amazement and pleasure, there was a trackmeet at the nice track on top of Yates. This was before the track became untenable, because of the seepage of water into Yates. Since this was a twilight meet, I was able to enjoy watching some very good performances. That is no longer possible; also impossible is flying over the campus and seeing the red track (which I did 10 years ago). I forget how much the Spiked Shoe Club raised last year. I seem to remember a figure like $68,000, but I may be totally wrong. There was a major fundraiser for the DE track. I am not sure that is throwing good money after bad, if the track is not a standard distance, but it is a community project, so again a substandard track is better than none.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 6, 2005 21:57:02 GMT -5
Money aside, it's theoretically possible, except the Georgetown residents have set what amounts to a square footage ceiling on the campus. If the new Yates exceeded the square footage of the old place, that's when the trouble begins.
(BTW, an example of tearing down a place like, say, New South to get the extra square footage is not an option, since there is also an issue with having a minimum number of students living on campus.)
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 7, 2005 1:09:06 GMT -5
Money aside, it's theoretically possible, except the Georgetown residents have set what amounts to a square footage ceiling on the campus. If the new Yates exceeded the square footage of the old place, that's when the trouble begins. (BTW, an example of tearing down a place like, say, New South to get the extra square footage is not an option, since there is also an issue with having a minimum number of students living on campus.) This is exactly why I hate Georgetown residents.
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Post by Rockycat on Apr 7, 2005 6:56:07 GMT -5
The Duke Ellington track project seems to be stalled indefinitely. I was recently told that the project was on hold because neighborhood residents were concerned that the track would cause unwanted activity and noise. They seem to prefer that the place remain an overgrown mess than to have it transformed into an attractive facility that community members can use. I think the university has to do a better job of selling the track project to the neighbors, but the track is a very low priority. The administration does not want to "waste" any of their negotiating ability with the neighborhood on a track. Most recently I was told that "there's a track inside of Yates--use that." That indoor "track" is in terrible need of resurfacing and is frequently flooded--it's almost dangerous for runners who are serious about doing intervals or speedwork of any kind. It is clear that removing the rooftop track, which was blamed for causing the flooding in Yates, has done nothing to rectify the situation--they may as well put it back. I was also told that there were very tentative suggestions to put a track around the field between the top of Yates where the track used to be and the Med School, but not to count on it. This track would also be undersized, but better than nothing.
I think it is embarrassing to be a major university without a track. Even elementary schools have tracks. Our GU road runner group has gone to AU to run on their track, which requires passing by their gym/health club which puts Yates to shame. A track on/near campus would benefit elite and recreational runners, and would get a great deal of use. Runners aren't noisy people, so I doubt that a refurbished Duke Ellington track would do anything but help property values in the neighborhood (as if they need help).
And to agree with Nevada, nothing will replace the experience of running on the rooftop track, especially at night under the lights, with the extraordinary view of the Potomac.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Apr 7, 2005 8:55:55 GMT -5
Money aside, it's theoretically possible, except the Georgetown residents have set what amounts to a square footage ceiling on the campus. If the new Yates exceeded the square footage of the old place, that's when the trouble begins. (BTW, an example of tearing down a place like, say, New South to get the extra square footage is not an option, since there is also an issue with having a minimum number of students living on campus.) DFW, how is this legally possible? Can you shed some light? Last I heard, Gtown residents didn't populate the Board of Directors; there must be some legal issues regarding square footage/residency on campus....
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Post by Joe Hoya on Apr 7, 2005 11:49:54 GMT -5
Once the MSF is completed, who will be using North Kehoe? I don't think anyone will be. So let's buy a little extra NexTurf or whatever, and then raze Yates/Kehoe. Build a new student gym complex (maybe even in the same style as we have now - with a field on top of it, with better drainage systems), and a Kehoe-esque practice field with a track around it, extending from where Kehoe is now all the way North Kehoe. Unless of course this can't be done. In which case, like I said before, expand the MSF upwards (and outwards, and make a new access road) to 10,000, slap a roof on the place, and call it the John Thompson Multi-Sport Dome of Nations or something. Yeah it's very Syracusey, but I wouldn't mind having a mini-Carrier Dome on campus. Unless, of course, that can't be done either (which I'm sure it can't). In which case...I volunteer to organize the forces for the hostile takeover of Visitation.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 7, 2005 11:59:28 GMT -5
Unless, of course, that can't be done either (which I'm sure it can't). In which case...I volunteer to organize the forces for the hostile takeover of Visitation. I'm in. If face paint worked for William Wallace and the Scots against the British, I'm sure it'll work against some high school girls...
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 7, 2005 12:27:29 GMT -5
The problem with the track facilities is worse than I thought with the Duke Ellington track project on hold. Isn't it ironic that they found that the seepage of water into Yates was probably not caused by having a track there.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 7, 2005 16:20:54 GMT -5
I'm in. If face paint worked for William Wallace and the Scots against the British, I'm sure it'll work against some high school girls... Yeah, but you gotta mess with the guy in the guard house at the entrance first and he's no cupcake... How long will the MSF building process last?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2005 16:49:40 GMT -5
How long will the MSF building process last? 37 years. See the boathouse. As far as the track, redoing Yates/Keough, I'm willing to help where I can. But the fact remains - the (neighborhood) forces are aligned against us. As optimistic and creative as I like my thinking to be, there's this horribly pessimistic voice in my head that keeps yelling "THE RESIDENTS WON'T LET IT HAPPEN" and that voice is often right. Unfortunately for us all.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 7, 2005 17:17:14 GMT -5
37 years. See the boathouse. One major difference, they have already started construction on the MSF.
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Post by DrumsGoBang on Apr 8, 2005 8:38:55 GMT -5
Once we get the money we should just start building the stuff. Lets not wait for approval from the ANC. Getting it built very quickly and then being sued would probably cost lest then drawn out legal battles over 20 years. Building what building? Oh that been there for years. You haven't seen it before, well you need glasses. You have glasses well....umm....ummm.....screw you..........(then run).
We could do that or have secret meetings with Mayor Williams. I like how he goes over the heads of residents because he knows that they are stupid. I'll build a ballpark where I want, when I want, how I want. Then the residents say, oh no a ballpark will bring the wrong crowd and ruin the neighborhood. Have you seen the neighborhood? It's a old instrustral pit, boarded up homes, a taco bell with 6 inch buletproof glass and no seats, and a gloryhole club. Other then the Taco Bell I think the neighborhood could be better. The people of DC aren't smart. That is except for me, yet again I refuse to change my licence and register to vote here. I've gone off on a rant here. My point is the the mayor really doesn't care about votes anymore. In that regard he is my kind of politician. I bet if we ask his we could build a 100 foot statue of me giving Georgetown residents the bird on the ground of Duke Elington if the mayor though it would be good for the economy and improve education.
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 8, 2005 9:20:43 GMT -5
Once we get the money we should just start building the stuff. Lets not wait for approval from the ANC. Getting it built very quickly and then being sued would probably cost lest then drawn out legal battles over 20 years. Building what building? Oh that been there for years. You haven't seen it before, well you need glasses. You have glasses well....umm....ummm.....screw you..........(then run). We could do that or have secret meetings with Mayor Williams. I like how he goes over the heads of residents because he knows that they are stupid. I'll build a ballpark where I want, when I want, how I want. Then the residents say, oh no a ballpark will bring the wrong crowd and ruin the neighborhood. Have you seen the neighborhood? It's a old instrustral pit, boarded up homes, a taco bell with 6 inch buletproof glass and no seats, and a gloryhole club. Other then the Taco Bell I think the neighborhood could be better. The people of DC aren't smart. That is except for me, yet again I refuse to change my licence and register to vote here. I've gone off on a rant here. My point is the the mayor really doesn't care about votes anymore. In that regard he is my kind of politician. I bet if we ask his we could build a 100 foot statue of me giving Georgetown residents the bird on the ground of Duke Elington if the mayor though it would be good for the economy and improve education. Yeah, too bad about the whole "its illegal to build without the proper permits" thing. Maybe if we budgeted for the incredible fines we would recieve, that plan would work. And as far as Williams "going over the heads of the residents" maybe that would be possible if we were in SE instead of squarely in the "disgustingly rich with too mcuh time on our hands" corner of NW. And even so, if you are paying attention to the stadium thing, turns out that the residents aren't just rolling over and giving the city the land, either. They seem to want boatloads of $ for their trash heaps. Anyways, maybe if the campus becomes its own city, like Stanford, we could do what we want. First person to show up at Healy with a Williams-esque bowtie gets to be mayor.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Apr 8, 2005 10:42:10 GMT -5
Anybody else get an invite to the MSF blessing and groundbreaking? Sometimes, it REALLY sucks being out on the West Coast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2005 16:47:15 GMT -5
One major difference, they have already started construction on the MSF. Yeah but the MSF isn't DONE until Phase 2 is done. Again... 37 years. Don't be so optimistic... its just the way things are done at G'Town. Of course, there's always a first time for everything, right? Time to turn things around GU... let's start with the MSF - B-School - McD project(s).
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Post by TigerHoya on Apr 9, 2005 20:59:13 GMT -5
We are preaching to the choir. Is the HHC the largest club? Yes. Is the Hoop Club larger than all the clubs potentially using the MSF combined (FB, men's and women's lax, men's and women's soccer)? It'd be close but not a mandate. Why have Gridiron, GRA, and Crease Club donors increased over the years while HHC has, for many years remained flat? I think one problem the HHC has long had is not that they can't recruit outside DC (certainly, other clubs do), but there is no tangible benefit to market outside DC if the only benefit is seating. A gift to Gridiron, GRA, Crease Club, etc. is communciated as having a direct value to those programs. Basketball has not effectively made the case why you should give $25 vs. $250 vs. $25,000 to the program if you are not buying season tickets. Yes, the HHC needs to reach new donors, including their own sport's alumni. The HHC has to make the case why giving to basketball is important right now. If it is important, let's hear about it. If it's not, the numbers will decline. Why have separate clubs for every single sport? This is something that has puzzled me for along time about GU. Every other successful booster club/fundraising orgs for college athletics have one club that handles it all. Priorities still have to be set but they are set within a larger framework. Some of them fund only scholarships and academic buildings for the athletic department (with special campaigns allowed for capital improvements like the MSF.) The reward is multiplied for joining as well when you get priority points that are based on your years of membership plus your giving level (and total contributions.) This decides things like bowl game ticket distribution, conference tourney tickets and NCAA tickets.
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Post by TigerHoya on Apr 9, 2005 21:04:24 GMT -5
And to agree with Nevada, nothing will replace the experience of running on the rooftop track, especially at night under the lights, with the extraordinary view of the Potomac. Running on it as the sun comes up is up there with that too - except when a big cloud of steam from the steam plant rolls up the hill and blocks the view of the Potomac and Virginia.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 9, 2005 21:21:57 GMT -5
Why have separate clubs for every single sport? This is something that has puzzled me for along time about GU. Every other successful booster club/fundraising orgs for college athletics have one club that handles it all. Hoyas Unlimited is the umbrella organization, with the support clubs existing within it. Where as clubs like IPTAY and the Seminole Boosters are built around scholarship support, Hoyas Unlimited was built to provide annual support for budget items Georgetown cannot fund. (Capital gifts still go through the University.) That works under a model where one sport dominates the giving (ie., Tiger football), but the Hoyas Unlimited base is broad enough that it doesn't work in basketball. 90% of IPTAY donors may be football fans, but less than 20% of Hoyas Unlimited donors in FY 2004 gave to men's basketball, according to previously posted figures. If Hoyas Unlimted raised $2M and decided that basketball needed most of the money, this would discourage the efforts of other sports, as in "why are we raising money for basketball?"; conversely, if basketball raised $1M that was diverted to field hockey, what would the Hoop Club donors think? When someone gives to Georgetown Football, for example, it goes to football, and that direct effort probably builds donor loyalty more than a general fund, which Hoyas Unlimited also offers but doesn't draw as many donors.
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Post by TigerHoya on Apr 9, 2005 21:25:04 GMT -5
When someone gives to Georgetown Football, for example, it goes to football, and that direct effort probably builds donor loyalty more than a general fund, which Hoyas Unlimited also offers but doesn't draw as many donors. How is the general fund allocated?
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