hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 11, 2014 9:31:16 GMT -5
See ya. Wouldn't wanna be ya.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 11, 2014 9:42:38 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why exactly he was voted out? It's not like he was a moderate who was brokering deals with the White House, if anything his reputation was that he scuttled numerous budget compromises and torched deals by walking out of meetings.
The only thing I've seen is that he favored immigration reform. Is immigration really that big of an issue in the Richmond area? I looked up the demographics of Richmond on Wikipedia and I'm not understanding the issue here.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 11, 2014 9:49:31 GMT -5
I have no idea why he was voted out but my initial reaction is, with regard to entrenched members of either party, that new blood is good blood.
When this country started, House Members and Senators, went home to their jobs, farms, businesses, etc.
Anything that disturbs the status quo in DC is okay by me.
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 11, 2014 9:49:48 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why exactly he was voted out? It's not like he was a moderate who was brokering deals with the White House, if anything his reputation was that he scuttled numerous budget compromises and torched deals by walking out of meetings. The only thing I've seen is that he favored immigration reform. Is immigration really that big of an issue in the Richmond area? Based on what I've been seeing, it was probably a combination of a lot of things--his willingness to broker comprehensive immigration legislation was part of it, but he also didn't pay attention / put much effort into his district, so his constituents didn't trust him / saw him as captured by business interests / DC (he had a fundraiser in DC the morning of the primary, for example) and he ran a poor campaign, combining a heavy negative ad campaign that served to legitimize Brat as a contender (and mainly made Cantor look bad) with an air of inevitability that meant his supporters weren't really motivated b/c they didn't see a threat. Honestly, I think it was a lot like what ended up costing Jim Oberstar his election in 2010. A bad campaign, a horrible effort keeping in touch with his district and a hot button issue (abortion in Oberstar's case, immigration here). |
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 11, 2014 9:50:36 GMT -5
Guess the tea party death was only a mild case of death.
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Post by quickplay on Jun 11, 2014 10:08:00 GMT -5
Agree with you Elvado - not like congress can get much worse and at least might be able to munch on some popcorn while watching things get a little crazy.
What I find so interesting is that NOBODY is upset. He just was not a well liked or respected man.
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Post by Boz on Jun 11, 2014 10:10:30 GMT -5
I have no idea why he was voted out but my initial reaction is, with regard to entrenched members of either party, that new blood is good blood. When this country started, House Members and Senators, went home to their jobs, farms, businesses, etc. Anything that disturbs the status quo in DC is okay by me. We could use a lot more of what happened last night in both parties. Don't get me wrong. It takes some experience to be effective on Capitol Hill; I don't dispute that. But anytime any of these elected officials forget why they're actually there and who they are actually representing -- as it seems Cantor clearly had done -- then the sooner they leave office (voluntarily or otherwise), the better. In any case, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of weeping or gnashing of teeth from the right about this. I also don't think it changes what looks like some pretty bleak prospects for those on the left come this fall. |
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Post by hoosierhoya on Jun 12, 2014 17:39:42 GMT -5
I agree that we shouldn't have so many members of Congress who get stuck in the Washington bubble forever and forget about their home districts. But really, these voters just acted against their own self-interest. Now they'll have freshman congressman who votes the same way as Cantor would have 99% of the time, except Brat won't be able to bring home the bacon. The same thing will happen in Mississippi if Cochran loses the run-off later this month. These aren't cases where Tea Party candidates are challenging moderate Republicans. They're just challenging fellow conservatives who aren't as vocal as they would prefer. Dumb dumb dumb. But weird things can happen in low turn-out primaries for safe seats in off-year elections.
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Post by bmartin on Jun 12, 2014 20:09:17 GMT -5
You must be mistaken. The Tea Party couldn't be responsible for this. They do not engage in political activities. It says so in all their IRS tax exemption applications.
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Jun 13, 2014 3:39:34 GMT -5
Why does this change anything? I don't see the difference in positions in either candidate. All this does is make the GOP weaker. Wake me up when elected officials start acting like elected officials and the earth gets hit by an asteroid...or Miami is under water from global warming.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jun 13, 2014 8:02:57 GMT -5
You must be mistaken. The Tea Party couldn't be responsible for this. They do not engage in political activities. It says so in all their IRS tax exemption applications. Well done on posting the lefty meme (your kudos are in the mail), but where exactly did Brat get strong support from Tea Party organizations? He barely even got any nominal support. If labeling him "Tea Party" means he ran a strong grassroots campaign, I'm sure he won't mind. Oh, and whether or not those Tea Party organizations do engage in political activities -- and of course they do -- the IRS still behaved criminally. There. See? I can get my talking points in too. As for whether or not this hurts the GOP overall, I guess that remains to be seen. It's a valid point, but it's also a guess. Republicans will name a new Majority Leader, they'll almost certainly keep the House this fall and, in real terms, what's changed, exactly? There is always infighting and challenges like this in the opposition party. (Not trying to diminish Cantor's epic failure, because it was just that: epic). Always has been. Always will be. Trust me, I know most Democrats will believe they'll never, ever, ever lose power again (because history supports such a claim), but sometime, maybe in the year 2525 -- since it could never happen sooner than that -- when the unfathomable happens and they do find themselves to be the opposition, you'll see these kinds of things on their side as well. It's just politics, man. |
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2014 12:54:43 GMT -5
Many times, people like Cochrane in the Senate and Cantor in the House will talk one game and vote another. Almost every Republican has run on a platform of repealing Obamacare, reducing the deficit, cutting taxes and reducing regulations. The House could have stood on principle and defunded Obamacare but chose not to. They could have refused to extend the debt limit but chose not to. Would they have been cast (by the media) as the bad guy for shutting down the government? Of course. Would they have been applauded by Republicans back home? You betcha. If you don't plan on defunding Obamacare, don't say you are going to. If you plan on voting to extend the debt ceiling, don't say you aren't.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 13, 2014 13:38:42 GMT -5
Many times, people like Cochrane in the Senate and Cantor in the House will talk one game and vote another. If Cantor really got primaried out for raising the debt ceiling or voting for Sandy aid, that says more about the nutjob Republican primary voters than Cantor. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jun 13, 2014 16:22:22 GMT -5
So much for diversity in the GOP!  |
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2014 19:21:41 GMT -5
Many times, people like Cochrane in the Senate and Cantor in the House will talk one game and vote another. If Cantor really got primaried out for raising the debt ceiling or voting for Sandy aid, that says more about the nutjob Republican primary voters than Cantor. Yep, anyone who disagrees with your views is a nutjob. And who said anything about Sandy aid? Look, I'm old as can be and will not have to face the music when our economy crashes under its own debt and that's a certain outcome unless Republicans and Democrats alike face up to it. Maybe those nutjob voters in Richmond are smarter than Congress and you. |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jun 14, 2014 14:11:36 GMT -5
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 14, 2014 20:51:28 GMT -5
If Cantor really got primaried out for raising the debt ceiling or voting for Sandy aid, that says more about the nutjob Republican primary voters than Cantor. Yep, anyone who disagrees with your views is a nutjob. And who said anything about Sandy aid? Look, I'm old as can be and will not have to face the music when our economy crashes under its own debt and that's a certain outcome unless Republicans and Democrats alike face up to it. Maybe those nutjob voters in Richmond are smarter than Congress and you. You blamed it on Cantor being twofaced. What are the two issues he was two faced about? Sandy relief and the debt ceiling vote. So if you are right, and they voted Cantor out for being "two-faced" - over two bills that should not be controversial and are just about actual governance, yes, they are nutjobs. Personally, I don't buy your argument whatsoever and don't think they voted Cantor out for being two-faced. I think the immigration position had more to do with it, and Cantor's been fairly straightforward over his position on that, and the tea party doesn't like his position. |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jun 20, 2014 10:06:43 GMT -5
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