prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 24, 2014 17:01:02 GMT -5
Super post, Sir.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 24, 2014 17:18:48 GMT -5
Not to mention, does your wife fly all over the country looking for the best birthday gifts for you every year evaluating your needs and the fit of the gift wherever in the country it may be located? Until she starts doing that..... I don't know that the coaches are working any harder than they have in the past. They do seem to be having more success and casting a wider net and I'm a big fan of that. Congratulations to the staff for some big gets as a result of their time, effort, travel, and selling of Georgetown to kids that, hopefully, fit right in and have successful, enjoyable years while on the Hilltop. November is SOOO far away!! Ugh. Obviously, tas is not married. Ding, ding, ding!!
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on May 27, 2014 16:36:06 GMT -5
Strangely, one thing I think that helped our recruiting this year was our bad performance last year. Frequently, top quality recruits look to a quality program that has fallen off and figure that they, and some of their friends from AAU ball, can get credit for not just being great players but also for bringing the program back. Plus, any big man with an outside shot and moves to the basket and who watched us last year has to figure he could do better. Hop, Lubick and Moses definitely lowered the bar. I just hope these guys aren't so good they are one and done. I'd like to think they will make an effort to stay around and become part of the Georgetown family.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on May 27, 2014 16:51:24 GMT -5
Strangely, one thing I think that helped our recruiting this year was our bad performance last year. Frequently, top quality recruits look to a quality program that has fallen off and figure that they, and some of their friends from AAU ball, can get credit for not just being great players but also for bringing the program back. Plus, any big man with an outside shot and moves to the basket and who watched us last year has to figure he could do better. Hop, Lubick and Moses definitely lowered the bar. I just hope these guys aren't so good they are one and done. I'd like to think they will make an effort to stay around and become part of the Georgetown family. That might be true in some cases, but all of the 2014 class (excluding Trey Mourning), along with Marcus Derrickson, committed prior to this last season (Derrickson committed in October 2013). They weren't coming to bring us back from missing the tournament, since we'd just won the Big East regular season and gotten a #2 seed in the tournament. And Govan and Noah aren't coming to get us back into the tournament--they want to play with the talent in the 2014 class, who, I assume (and they probably assume) will be tournament bound this upcoming year.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 27, 2014 17:01:03 GMT -5
Strangely, one thing I think that helped our recruiting this year was our bad performance last year. Frequently, top quality recruits look to a quality program that has fallen off and figure that they, and some of their friends from AAU ball, can get credit for not just being great players but also for bringing the program back. I don't think that that applies to Copeland, White, Peak and Tre. They all signed on Nov. 13th & 14th, 2013. Their latest picture of Hoya basketball at the time was Otto going 3rd in the NBA draft after his soph year; Josh joining early for two seasons; and Whitt coming back from injury. The debacle happened after they signed. They went through the rollercoaster of the 2013/14 season along with us, as fans and future Hoya family members. As to the '15 class, these kids see that they're going to play with known talents. If recruited correctly, talent brings in talent.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 27, 2014 17:04:23 GMT -5
Strangely, one thing I think that helped our recruiting this year was our bad performance last year. Frequently, top quality recruits look to a quality program that has fallen off and figure that they, and some of their friends from AAU ball, can get credit for not just being great players but also for bringing the program back. Plus, any big man with an outside shot and moves to the basket and who watched us last year has to figure he could do better. Hop, Lubick and Moses definitely lowered the bar. I just hope these guys aren't so good they are one and done. I'd like to think they will make an effort to stay around and become part of the Georgetown family. Both points are great points. Who do you see from this group coming in being a potentially one and done?
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Post by blueandgray on May 27, 2014 18:08:55 GMT -5
Strangely, one thing I think that helped our recruiting this year was our bad performance last year. Frequently, top quality recruits look to a quality program that has fallen off and figure that they, and some of their friends from AAU ball, can get credit for not just being great players but also for bringing the program back. I don't think that that applies to Copeland, White, Peak and Tre. They all signed on Nov. 13th & 14th, 2013. Their latest picture of Hoya basketball at the time was Otto going 3rd in the NBA draft after his soph year; Josh joining early for two seasons; and Whitt coming back from injury. The debacle happened after they signed. They went through the rollercoaster of the 2013/14 season along with us, as fans and future Hoya family members. As to the '15 class, these kids see that they're going to play with known talents. If recruited correctly, talent brings in talent. Along with having a great staff, we have Otto Porter to thank for the recent recruiting success. Because of Otto, we landed Isaac and once that happened, all the chips fell is place. Once Isaac committed, the rest followed.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 28, 2014 23:46:56 GMT -5
I don't think that that applies to Copeland, White, Peak and Tre. They all signed on Nov. 13th & 14th, 2013. Their latest picture of Hoya basketball at the time was Otto going 3rd in the NBA draft after his soph year; Josh joining early for two seasons; and Whitt coming back from injury. The debacle happened after they signed. They went through the rollercoaster of the 2013/14 season along with us, as fans and future Hoya family members. As to the '15 class, these kids see that they're going to play with known talents. If recruited correctly, talent brings in talent. Along with having a great staff, we have Otto Porter to thank for the recent recruiting success. Because of Otto, we landed Isaac and once that happened, all the chips fell is place. Once Isaac committed, the rest followed. I agree with this. I do, however, think there's some merit to the "bringing a once-great program back to its former glory" thing too depending on who the parents of the kids are. That's a part of why I think it's important for the coaches to do as much as they can in the DMV to get top kids. It's more likely that kids that live in the DMV will have a connection of a sort to Georgetown basketball. 1984, though I'm sad to say, was a long time ago now. I remember watching those games on TV and, while I went for academics only, it's a big part of why I applied in the first place. If I started pretty young, I could have a son or daughter looking to apply to schools and, believe me, they would absolutely know about the impact of Georgetown basketball both on the floor and off. They'd have read DFW's book and would have watched all of the games and known about the deflated basketball and Big John and the sweater and Rayful Edmond and Manley and what Big John started. They'd know about guys I saw play that, even though they were lean years, were really good players and even better guys. They'd know about JT3 and that, while his style is different, his expectations are the same and that we have guys like Pat and Alonzo and Deke and Othella and Jeff and Greg and Roy and Jon and Otto that make Georgetown look great. Many of the alums come back and work with the new guys. Is that a typical thing? If it is, I'm not aware of it. And to listen to Alonzo's interviews in the lead-up to his HOF induction, what higher praise could there be? I love Hoya basketball. And I'm not so Pollyanna to think that recruiting isn't dirty to some degree. That said, we get great kids on the whole that, seemingly, really love their time in school (as I did) and come back to campus to help the younger guys. Not to mention that some even go out of their way, if they're lucky enough to get drafted, to finish their degrees. The four year guys almost always graduate. What's not to love? Georgetown isn't a basketball factory and I wouldn't love it like I do if it were. I have a lot of respect for the guys that sign up because it certainly isn't the path of least resistance. I struggled like hell for my first 2 semesters over normal kid stuff and I didn't have to do anything but go to class, work my part-time job, and do my homework. I have enormous respect for the people that take on even more.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on May 29, 2014 20:24:46 GMT -5
Hear, hear SirSaxa. Love the positive energy and EXCITEMENT. I think we're about to see the second big wave of Gtown success under JTIII, starting this November.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 31, 2014 11:55:17 GMT -5
I agree with all that has been said about the great job JTIII and staff have done this spring, but I think there has been an acknowledgement from III that Pops way, that "talented big men, and scorers who can play defense, win championships" can still work. I think III, like any son of a legend, wanted to establish that he was a good coach in his own right. He recruited players that fit his Prinston offense. A premium was placed on big men who could face up to the basket and score over rebounding and one-on-one defense. A premium was also placed on wings who could shoot the 3pt shot regardless of athletic ability. The ability of the guards to shoot the 3pt shot was also emphasized over true pg abilities. I think this year more than any other during his tenure showed that he can coach with minimum talent. There is nothing else to prove other than that he can win a national championship like his dad. The talent III has coming in the next two years has the ability to implement the " Princeton on steroids" we have been waiting on from his teams. I ,for one, am as excited as I was when he first said that people would remember who Georgetown was and still is.
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