CaliHoya
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Post by CaliHoya on Mar 16, 2014 11:14:28 GMT -5
Just saw this in an article about Wiggins, extolling their weight training program:
In the weight room, there was Andrea Hudy. She has been called Kansas’s secret weapon and numerous NBA players credit her tutelage for making the leap to the pros. “She made me a lot stronger,” Wiggins says. “She works miracles.”
Does Georgetown have such a conditioning coach? We all noticed how Kansas made our guys looks like boys.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 16, 2014 11:29:23 GMT -5
I think it's Wisey.
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HoyaPride
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Post by HoyaPride on Mar 16, 2014 12:00:31 GMT -5
Dont think that strength was our issue this year. Moses, Nate, Jabril, DSR, Markel all look pretty solid. Besides domingo, and maybe Hopper not sure we need to add more bulk. Conditioning might have been an issue and helped us lead the nation in fouls by being lazy and out of position.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 16, 2014 12:08:54 GMT -5
I'm sure 3/4 of our team can out lift Wiggins. That is not the difference.
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Post by HarbinHoya on Mar 16, 2014 12:19:47 GMT -5
Cali,
Don't you know there is nothing our current staff or program can improve upon? Please disregard the fact that every one our recent NBA Hoyas spend one season in the league and look like they trained at Balco vs when they were a hoya. Stop asking why josh smith has only lost 20 pounds since he transferred even though all he has had to do this season is work out because he isn't playing. Don't you understand that until we have a state of the art Athletic Center there is no way that a player can be expected to come into the season in shape? And please don't start telling me that strength and conditioning make a difference on things like rebounding or boxing out or fast break opportunities because there are certainly no examples of fitter athletes having more success.
Anyway I'm sure you can sense my sarcasm. I've been posting on this issue for years now. And no I'm not in the fire JT3 camp and no I'm not losing my sh*t about the program cause we are having a down year. I'm simply someone with eyes who thinks that not all but at least 70% of our team could use major upgrades in muscle mass, speed and agility and overall cardio. We get out run, out rebounded and out hustled consistently. Outside of Markel and Jabril and Moses to some extent on the muscle tone, everyone else should be doing a lot more in these areas.
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Mar 16, 2014 12:23:18 GMT -5
DSR I can agree on somewhat too, I don't know what people see in Nate, I can barely make out a muscle. Guards I think have less of a need on the weight side of things but our bigs could really use some help
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 16, 2014 12:26:40 GMT -5
Where is Ed "The Mailman" Spriggs when you need him?
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 16, 2014 12:38:08 GMT -5
Of course we have a strength and conditioning program.
Look, our bigs can't make jump shots or effective low post moves or free throws and they have bad hands. Those are not weight room problems. Those are basketball problems.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 16, 2014 18:06:54 GMT -5
Weight training should be able to help you with coordination also..
With HAL...Hopper has coordination...Moses and Lubick are another story.
The coaches should really have Hopper and Moses working on their low post moves..
Hopefully both will improve next year and not stagnate or digress
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2014 22:52:27 GMT -5
Hopkins has coordination? I'm not sure I'd go there. He certainly isn't coordinated when it comes to getting the ball into the basket without getting stuffed by point guards.
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Post by deacon on Mar 18, 2014 17:45:57 GMT -5
Georgetown tried to hire a friend of mine to run the strength and conditioning program for the men's and women's basketball programs but their offer was so low, I actually thought he was joking with me but he was dead serious.
He would've put the program on another level in regards to their overall conditioning but you can't offer people the kind of money they offered him and expect them to take it serious. Sad part, he's from the area and has been a fan of the program since he was a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 17:58:16 GMT -5
Georgetown tried to hire a friend of mine to run the strength and conditioning program for the men's and women's basketball programs but their offer was so low, I actually thought he was joking with me but he was dead serious. He would've put the program on another level in regards to their overall conditioning but you can't offer people the kind of money they offered him and expect them to take it serious. Sad part, he's from the area and has been a fan of the program since he was a kid. Can we do a kickstarter campaign or something to make up the difference?
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Post by Talos on Mar 20, 2014 10:25:24 GMT -5
Georgetown tried to hire a friend of mine to run the strength and conditioning program for the men's and women's basketball programs but their offer was so low, I actually thought he was joking with me but he was dead serious. He would've put the program on another level in regards to their overall conditioning but you can't offer people the kind of money they offered him and expect them to take it serious. Sad part, he's from the area and has been a fan of the program since he was a kid. That's really too bad. But I guess it shouldn't be a huge surprise. I love JTIII and his character and integrity; it makes me proud to be a fan. However, one thing that has always confused me is an apparent disinterest in a strength program. Obviously, I don't have inside information and don't know what happens inside the program on a daily basis. However, a robust strength program should result in visible results and that's one thing I haven't really noticed in the last 10 years. Can anyone remember a player under JTIII who got noticeably bigger and stronger? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone. And the guys we have who are strong and muscular (Moses, Jabril, Markel) came into the program already well built. A good strength program could have really helped a guy like Lubick. In my opinion, the staff and Nate should have made a decision in his freshman year on what direction to take his strength and conditioning program. They could have decided for Nate to get lean, wiry, and more cut; losing weight/gaining agility and become more of a face up 4. Or, they could have gone in the opposite direction and had Nate bulk up, put on weight and muscle and become a banger. Obviously, neither happened and he looks the same as he did as a freshman. Even though refs are calling plenty of touch fouls on the perimeter and on cutting players this year, they are still allowing a lot of banging and physical play under the basket. I think it's imperative that your 5s, 4s, and even 3s are strong enough to physically compete under the basket. I'm not bashing JTIII, just something I've always wondered about.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2014 10:53:55 GMT -5
Querie whether the increased $$ from FoxSports1 might allow us to increase our strength/conditioning budget, coupled with the improved facilities when the IAC is done?
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 20, 2014 10:59:07 GMT -5
just need to find the budget for additional strength and conditioning staff
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Post by tashoya on Mar 20, 2014 11:59:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the current weight program is but a lot of the guys get noticeably more muscular. Whether or not that's advisable or directed, I have no idea. But Kel, Hop, and DSR are all distinctly more muscular this year than they were last or the year before. My recollection isn't good enough to say whether or not Moses is bigger but that kid is large.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 20, 2014 12:25:03 GMT -5
just need to find the budget for additional strength and conditioning staff The basketball program probably doesn't need any more budget, which is larger than the basketball budgets at Indiana, North Carolina, Texas, Florida, or any single Big Ten school. In fact, Georgetown ranks seventh of 344 Div. I schools, so if there's an issue with the salary for a dedicated strength coach for the team, it's not just a budgetary one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 12:32:05 GMT -5
Georgetown tried to hire a friend of mine to run the strength and conditioning program for the men's and women's basketball programs but their offer was so low, I actually thought he was joking with me but he was dead serious. He would've put the program on another level in regards to their overall conditioning but you can't offer people the kind of money they offered him and expect them to take it serious. Sad part, he's from the area and has been a fan of the program since he was a kid. That's really too bad. But I guess it shouldn't be a huge surprise. I love JTIII and his character and integrity; it makes me proud to be a fan. However, one thing that has always confused me is an apparent disinterest in a strength program. Obviously, I don't have inside information and don't know what happens inside the program on a daily basis. However, a robust strength program should result in visible results and that's one thing I haven't really noticed in the last 10 years. Can anyone remember a player under JTIII who got noticeably bigger and stronger? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone. And the guys we have who are strong and muscular (Moses, Jabril, Markel) came into the program already well built. A good strength program could have really helped a guy like Lubick. In my opinion, the staff and Nate should have made a decision in his freshman year on what direction to take his strength and conditioning program. They could have decided for Nate to get lean, wiry, and more cut; losing weight/gaining agility and become more of a face up 4. Or, they could have gone in the opposite direction and had Nate bulk up, put on weight and muscle and become a banger. Obviously, neither happened and he looks the same as he did as a freshman. Even though refs are calling plenty of touch fouls on the perimeter and on cutting players this year, they are still allowing a lot of banging and physical play under the basket. I think it's imperative that your 5s, 4s, and even 3s are strong enough to physically compete under the basket. I'm not bashing JTIII, just something I've always wondered about. Starks put on a lot of muscle over his time here. DSR lost a lot of weight and came back noticeably stronger. I know Trawick works out a lot, but he was already pretty built when he came on. On some level, it's up to the player to improve strength and conditioning. No our facilities arent great, but you don't need a world class gym to run laps, use free weights and box jump. Still, I tend to agree that having an awesome strength program in place creates structure for working out and may motivate players to make that extra effort to improve their physical abilities. Most great programs have premier strength and conditioning programs and we're definitely at a disadvantage without one. Hopefully that will come with the IAC.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 20, 2014 13:59:51 GMT -5
just need to find the budget for additional strength and conditioning staff The basketball program probably doesn't need any more budget, which is larger than the basketball budgets at Indiana, North Carolina, Texas, Florida, or any single Big Ten school. In fact, Georgetown ranks seventh of 344 Div. I schools, so if there's an issue with the salary for a dedicated strength coach for the team, it's not just a budgetary one. Disagree, those other schools play football and have big staffs which the other sports piggy-back off. III eats up a big part of the budget, I was up at PSU a couple of weeks ago and couldn't believe the number of Grad assistants that are on the strength staff, it about 20 for BB, FB and wrestling.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2014 8:01:34 GMT -5
just need to find the budget for additional strength and conditioning staff The basketball program probably doesn't need any more budget, which is larger than the basketball budgets at Indiana, North Carolina, Texas, Florida, or any single Big Ten school. In fact, Georgetown ranks seventh of 344 Div. I schools, so if there's an issue with the salary for a dedicated strength coach for the team, it's not just a budgetary one. The more info. I find out about how big the budget is ..the more upsetting the post-season performance becomes. The budget is bigger than a lot of blue blood basket ball programs.
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