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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 11:10:31 GMT -5
If you take Graham you're essentially recruiting over a player in the same class. Georgetown doesnt even recruit over players that have proven substandard by their upperclass years. More specifically, they'd be recruiting over a kid that has been to every single game sitting behind the bench and is from an important local school that we need to maintain good relations with. (St. Johns) I really don't want us ruining that pipeline over the unfounded fear that we'd have a Seth Allen type situation where somebody goes down. And BTW, Roddy Peters was up and down, but was no different than any freshman point guard learning the game aside from say Tyler Ennis or Trey Burke. Roddy will benefit from the experience next year as would Tre from getting some minutes next year. But whether its Tre or Devonte, there are gonna be some learning moments at the PG position next year no matter what. So in my opinion, do the right thing by the player we recruited and let Tre be the backup PG next year. Graham is a nice player but I don't think its a good precedent for the program to set, and I'm not sure how much basketball sense it makes either. I'm all for recruiting Crawford and Mann for '15 though. Not sure why you quoted my post Denny because I agree with you in regards to Graham for the most part. I believe Tre can handle 8-10 minutes of pt next year but if the staff decided they had to have Graham I'd understand their thinking.. You have to admit the program needs a talent upgrade.. Oops, sorry, meant to just post below yours. You're right though, I do think we need a talent up-grade and part of that is recruiting for depth and letting the best players sort it out in practice. If JT3 had vigorously recruited over Lubick and Hopkins after their respective freshman years, this year's team would be in much better shape. (I do realize Nate looked promising as a Freshman, so maybe after his sophomore year.) Part of this program's problem has been that talent difference between the guys that play and the guys that don't or even between your top 3 starters and the 2 worst starters.. The drop-off is dramatic. If you look at some of the teams that have been competitive -- Louisville and Michigan last year come to mind -- there is little drop off when the bench comes in and every starter is dangerous. Not since our final four run have I felt like we had solid players in EACH position and off the bench, and I feel like having that weak link somewhere in the lineup is a drain on the team and is part of the reason we have dropped games in the NCAAs. I really hope that we can follow '14 with another top 10 class in '15 because this increases the likelihood that out of those players you'll get 5 quality starters. It also increases the chances you'll have a strong bench when we get into foul trouble or want to rest starters and, perhaps most importantly, it guards against being stuck with a sub-par player that we've misevaluated. Having said that, there is still a line I don't think we should cross with just blatant stocking of players for positions where there arent enough minutes to share and to the detriment of future recruiting classes....
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2014 11:11:26 GMT -5
Having said that I have no problem with the staff bringing in more players in this class because the 2012 & 2013 classes were very weak as it turns out which means the youngsters have a great shot at overtaking them for PT very early.. There are only four players combined from the 2012 and 2013 classes on the squad. Two already don't play and may not be around next season at this rate. It isn't as if we have to bring in a large 2014 class simply to make up for a couple of disappointments, specifically when III doesn't typically use a large rotation anyhow. Correct and another will more than likely get leap frogged as soon as Copeland & White step on campus so chances are high at least one more slot becomes available after the season.. Many posters complain that his small rotation has more to do with talent level than his own preference so why worry about having too many solid players? I say get players as soon as possible, the rest will work itself out..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 11:23:17 GMT -5
One last point: These last few years have had an unusual number of weird circumstances that I don't think should be considered in the construction of our future roster. Unexpected suspensions are not the norm and we've had some bad luck with injuries at bad moments between Wright's broken hand, Moses' knees and Jabril's jaw. Also, the transfer rate continues to be a little too high for my liking and I really think that if we are smarter about balancing classes and taking less risks on projects those numbers can come down.
Anyway, I'm all for depth, but I think we're all a little shellshocked from the events above and I think we need to stay level-headed when choosing who we offer....
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2014 12:07:00 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 11, 2014 12:50:12 GMT -5
Seems to me, unless this guy really is the next Chris Wright, we should save the spot for next year. What exactly would he bring us next year that Tre can't? Even Markel as a frosh only got a few minutes per game. Seems to me, we take what we get from Tre this coming year, and split the rest of the ball handling between DSR, Trawick and Peak. If there were a finished product PG out there, I'd be all for it, but I don't get the impression there is. So wouldn't we be better off locking down one of these dudes like Mann/Reaves/Trier (I know they are more SGs, but with the new reffing emphasis, all they really need to do is drive and get to the line) for next year, along with some big bodies like Govan/Rabb/Comanche and Dickerson.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 11, 2014 13:32:43 GMT -5
Seems to me, unless this guy really is the next Chris Wright, we should save the spot for next year. What exactly would he bring us next year that Tre can't? Even Markel as a frosh only got a few minutes per game. Seems to me, we take what we get from Tre this coming year, and split the rest of the ball handling between DSR, Trawick and Peak. If there were a finished product PG out there, I'd be all for it, but I don't get the impression there is. So wouldn't we be better off locking down one of these dudes like Mann/Reaves/Trier (I know they are more SGs, but with the new reffing emphasis, all they really need to do is drive and get to the line) for next year, along with some big bodies like Govan/Rabb/Comanche and Dickerson. This is entirely my thought for our final scholarship. The '15 class has both good guards and bigs which we both need quality at. The only way I would take another player this year would be if someone on the roster is not returning (i.e. Domingo or Moses).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 13:40:17 GMT -5
Adam Finkelstein @adamfinkelstein Feb 6 He isn't permitted to talk to college coaches or be in the ESPN 100 but Devonte Graham is one of the best left in '14 ow.ly/tlE4b Eric Bossi @ebosshoops Jan 19 Devonte Graham gets better each and every time I see him. Brewster Prep PG has developed into a legit top 100 player. Evan Daniels @evandaniels Feb 16 Top five available players in 2014 are Myles Turner, JaQuan Lyle, Devonte Graham, Kobie Eubanks & Jarvis Garrett.
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Post by daymondmyles on Mar 11, 2014 14:41:02 GMT -5
He's a 4 star on Scout for what that's worth to people asking about rankings.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 11, 2014 15:32:32 GMT -5
For those of you that think we should be done with the '14 class....that's exactly what I am now hearing. I have no idea if this includes or excludes Trey...and this is recruiting so things can always change. Staff however seems contented with the class we have coming in.
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Post by Talos on Mar 11, 2014 17:12:08 GMT -5
For those of you that think we should be done with the '14 class....that's exactly what I am now hearing. I have no idea if this includes or excludes Trey...and this is recruiting so things can always change. Staff however seems contented with the class we have coming in. Hmm....so that means they're happy with the bigs for next year?? That must mean they're confident Josh and Moses will be back, and Hayes will improve... Not sure I agree....
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 11, 2014 19:34:23 GMT -5
For those of you that think we should be done with the '14 class....that's exactly what I am now hearing. I have no idea if this includes or excludes Trey...and this is recruiting so things can always change. Staff however seems contented with the class we have coming in. Hmm....so that means they're happy with the bigs for next year?? That must mean they're confident Josh and Moses will be back, and Hayes will improve... Not sure I agree.... Personally, I think it says more about their feelings on Josh than anything else. At this point I'd be fairly surprised if he wasn't back next year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 19:39:28 GMT -5
or they're confident about where we stand with '15 recruits....
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 11, 2014 19:44:57 GMT -5
For those of you that think we should be done with the '14 class....that's exactly what I am now hearing. I have no idea if this includes or excludes Trey...and this is recruiting so things can always change. Staff however seems contented with the class we have coming in. sigh... add more talent; need a "smallish" guard who can cover some of the quicker guards GU faces; he's different than the other guards - that's a good thing for matchups...
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 11, 2014 19:46:49 GMT -5
Adam Finkelstein @adamfinkelstein Feb 6 He isn't permitted to talk to college coaches or be in the ESPN 100 but Devonte Graham is one of the best left in '14 ow.ly/tlE4b Eric Bossi @ebosshoops Jan 19 Devonte Graham gets better each and every time I see him. Brewster Prep PG has developed into a legit top 100 player. Evan Daniels @evandaniels Feb 16 Top five available players in 2014 are Myles Turner, JaQuan Lyle, Devonte Graham, Kobie Eubanks & Jarvis Garrett. So maybe I'm missing something here...but if he's not permitted to talk to college coaches, how is he supposed to choose a school?
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 11, 2014 19:49:46 GMT -5
Dante Exum is considered a slam dunk top 10 pick in the NBA draft, and quite possibly top 5, but he's the 20th best point guard among high school seniors? Uh, ok.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2014 20:26:52 GMT -5
Adam Finkelstein @adamfinkelstein Feb 6 He isn't permitted to talk to college coaches or be in the ESPN 100 but Devonte Graham is one of the best left in '14 ow.ly/tlE4b Eric Bossi @ebosshoops Jan 19 Devonte Graham gets better each and every time I see him. Brewster Prep PG has developed into a legit top 100 player. Evan Daniels @evandaniels Feb 16 Top five available players in 2014 are Myles Turner, JaQuan Lyle, Devonte Graham, Kobie Eubanks & Jarvis Garrett. So maybe I'm missing something here...but if he's not permitted to talk to college coaches, how is he supposed to choose a school? Once the season is officially over his LOI will expire and then he'll be able to talk.. The key thing is if he's not released prior to that he'll have to sit out the 2014 year and then have 3 years of eligibility left to play..
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 11, 2014 20:33:18 GMT -5
So maybe I'm missing something here...but if he's not permitted to talk to college coaches, how is he supposed to choose a school? Once the season is officially over his LOI will expire and then he'll be able to talk.. The key thing is if he's not released prior to that he'll have to sit out the 2014 year and then have 3 years of eligibility left to play.. Well that certainly sounds like the NCAA. Wasting years of eligibility for situations completely out of the player's control. What a joke. That's just terrible for the kid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 20:50:48 GMT -5
Once the season is officially over his LOI will expire and then he'll be able to talk.. The key thing is if he's not released prior to that he'll have to sit out the 2014 year and then have 3 years of eligibility left to play.. Well that certainly sounds like the NCAA. Wasting years of eligibility for situations completely out of the player's control. What a joke. That's just terrible for the kid. Usually when a coach is fired, the university does committed players the courtesy of releasing them from their LOIs. I suspect that will happen here and Graham won't have to wait a year and will be eligible immediately.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 11, 2014 20:55:46 GMT -5
Well that certainly sounds like the NCAA. Wasting years of eligibility for situations completely out of the player's control. What a joke. That's just terrible for the kid. Usually when a coach is fired, the university does committed players the courtesy of releasing them from their LOIs. I suspect that will happen here and Graham won't have to wait a year and will be eligible immediately. Makes sense. Still a stupid rule haha
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Post by idhoya on Mar 11, 2014 20:57:09 GMT -5
I don't understand why we should be content wit just Tre'. i'm not even talking from a competion standpoint, but from a depth standpoint; I f the graham kid wants to come then what? Plus they could go head to head in practice. You can never have too many guards in my opinion. pitt and cincy always have a plethora.
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