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Post by dense on Apr 1, 2021 8:44:21 GMT -5
Lol no, fit has to be done before he sets foot. Chemistry yes but I was talking about fit. A one year player especially one with pro aspirations won't develop any meaningful chemistry in one year if he is used to being the man on his old team. You have to define the role that he will have now that can change on what the team needs but the fit has to be understood before they even set foot on campus for a 1 year "rental" Way to move the goalpost from chemistry to fit. lol Yes fit can be discussed. Chemistry must be played out in the lab.
I didnt move the goalposts, read your original post.
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Post by dense on Apr 1, 2021 8:45:42 GMT -5
Exactly. This is what I mean. You have to get the input of everyone and also the player. And we're on par with Gonzaga right? Gotcha They can afford to do that, they're a fixture in the elite 8, final 4. We can't even make the tournament consistently, terrible comparison.
If Lykes wants in, he's a take all day every day.
So lykes is a talent that equals winning, please show me Miami's record the last 2 years with him as PG? Not much better than ours.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 1, 2021 8:50:35 GMT -5
You don’t turn away talent because you’re afraid of chemistry. Kids get injured and transfer. You need to load up every year. If it doesn’t work out, you reload the following year. College hoops is now pickup basketball. Recruit accordingly. Right, we Georgetown, are not in the position to be turning away talent worrying about chemistry, not close. If this was a deep talented team, I'll be on board with that, but we're far from being elite. When was the last time we even made the tournament 3 years in a row? Some of these dudes think we're Nova or something, it's comical.
Load up on quality talent and work out the rest. Spare me the Gonzaga quotes please. They can afford to operate that way. We can't.
Let me know how that worked out with Akinjo, Mac, Leblanc, Alexander and Gardner.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 1, 2021 9:58:37 GMT -5
Right, we Georgetown, are not in the position to be turning away talent worrying about chemistry, not close. If this was a deep talented team, I'll be on board with that, but we're far from being elite. When was the last time we even made the tournament 3 years in a row? Some of these dudes think we're Nova or something, it's comical.
Load up on quality talent and work out the rest. Spare me the Gonzaga quotes please. They can afford to operate that way. We can't.
Let me know how that worked out with Akinjo, Mac, Leblanc, Alexander and Gardner. How long were they together? How much were they actually played together. If they were still here, I promise you we'd be a better team than what we have now.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 1, 2021 10:02:13 GMT -5
And we're on par with Gonzaga right? Gotcha They can afford to do that, they're a fixture in the elite 8, final 4. We can't even make the tournament consistently, terrible comparison.
If Lykes wants in, he's a take all day every day.
So lykes is a talent that equals winning, please show me Miami's record the last 2 years with him as PG? Not much better than ours. He would be part of the answer. He's a proven talent that brings a lot to the table. Talent coupled with good coaching of said talent makes a team better. Have you ever even seen him play? He could definitely help us or any team for that matter.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 1, 2021 10:19:25 GMT -5
Let me know how that worked out with Akinjo, Mac, Leblanc, Alexander and Gardner. How long were they together? How much were they actually played together. If they were still here, I promise you we'd be a better team than what we have now. Dude, we used your proposed team building philosophy and it failed....which is why some would like a bit more chemistry due diligence.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 1, 2021 10:29:43 GMT -5
How long were they together? How much were they actually played together. If they were still here, I promise you we'd be a better team than what we have now. Dude, we used your proposed team building philosophy and it failed....which is why some would like a bit more chemistry due diligence. "used" ok lol They left the program for various reasons that didn't have anything to do with on court play. That doesn't mean the chemistry failed. The chemistry never had much time to work at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 10:34:03 GMT -5
I don’t think he ends up here tbh.
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dense
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Post by dense on Apr 1, 2021 10:35:36 GMT -5
I don’t think he ends up here tbh. I dont either, and I'm actually happy about that. His game is maddening for me. Some of the shots he takes would make me very upset lol. Blair is a chucker but he stays within the frame of the game more. Lykes is worse than that on the chucker scale.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 1, 2021 10:40:00 GMT -5
Dude, we used your proposed team building philosophy and it failed....which is why some would like a bit more chemistry due diligence. "used" ok lol They left the program for various reasons that didn't have anything to do with on court play. That doesn't mean the chemistry failed. The chemistry never had much time to work at all.
Cane11, I get your point on talent and IIRC I liked Lykes the first time around when he was a recruit, but there's no doubt there was no love lost between Mac and Akinjo, and that they didn't like to play with each other. We don't want that again. I'm not saying that Lykes would be in a similar situation with a Hoya player, but a sit-down re: expectations is required with everyone.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 1, 2021 11:14:02 GMT -5
"used" ok lol They left the program for various reasons that didn't have anything to do with on court play. That doesn't mean the chemistry failed. The chemistry never had much time to work at all.
Cane11, I get your point on talent and IIRC I liked Lykes the first time around when he was a recruit, but there's no doubt there was no love lost between Mac and Akinjo, and that they didn't like to play with each other. We don't want that again. I'm not saying that Lykes would be in a similar situation with a Hoya player, but a sit-down re: expectations is required with everyone. I don't disagree with that nor am I against it, but I feel like that's a given, and it addresses fit, not chemistry. All coaches talk to prospects about expectations and how they they believe they fit on the team. Chemistry cannot be talked out. That's all I'm saying. I don't know if Lykes comes or doesn't, but I do believe he could help us out tremendously, in tandem with Harris or being the primary ball handler. In Ewing's offense the ball moves anyway. He doesn't like anyone holding the ball too long or he tells them to move it himself. I'm of the stockpile talent and work it out mindset because of where we CURRENTLY sit as a program. When we string together more top 10-15 classes, then we can take another approach, but right now we need talent.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 4, 2021 20:18:34 GMT -5
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Post by s4hoyas on Apr 4, 2021 21:57:14 GMT -5
I hope he picks Arkansas and that it opens the door for Marreon for us...
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 4, 2021 23:47:59 GMT -5
Cane11, I get your point on talent and IIRC I liked Lykes the first time around when he was a recruit, but there's no doubt there was no love lost between Mac and Akinjo, and that they didn't like to play with each other. We don't want that again. I'm not saying that Lykes would be in a similar situation with a Hoya player, but a sit-down re: expectations is required with everyone. I don't disagree with that nor am I against it, but I feel like that's a given, and it addresses fit, not chemistry. All coaches talk to prospects about expectations and how they they believe they fit on the team. Chemistry cannot be talked out. That's all I'm saying. I don't know if Lykes comes or doesn't, but I do believe he could help us out tremendously, in tandem with Harris or being the primary ball handler. In Ewing's offense the ball moves anyway. He doesn't like anyone holding the ball too long or he tells them to move it himself. I'm of the stockpile talent and work it out mindset because of where we CURRENTLY sit as a program. When we string together more top 10-15 classes, then we can take another approach, but right now we need talent. You don’t get to be a top 15 team if you ignore chemistry. Anybody that thinks talent equals winning ignores the fact that these are people. In any organization, you better pay attention to how skills and personalities complement each other or it won’t work. It’s even more of a concern on a team of only 13 people, when only 8-9 will actually play. Villanova did not get to be the team they are today by just stockpiling talent.
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Post by blazers32 on Apr 5, 2021 0:06:02 GMT -5
I hope he picks Arkansas and that it opens the door for Marreon for us... He could still pick Arizona St or Miami.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 5, 2021 11:33:25 GMT -5
It's a little disappointing to miss out on him, because I think he's on another talent level from everyone else currently in the program (excepting maybe Aminu, though it remains to be seen how long it will take him to adjust to the college level). It would have brought a lot of excitement to the program.
That said, I think what we REALLY want is the next Chris Lykes. Having a year of "the Chris Lykes show", where he's dominating the ball and everything runs through him, would have been fun but it would have had its pluses and minuses. It would have been interesting to watch but it might not have gone over well with other members of the team and it might not have translated to better outcomes in terms of wins and losses. He has always been an exciting player but he hasn't been tremendously successful in college. I think what we really want is for Georgetown to pursue and land the next great WCAC star, not the one who got away 4 years ago.
Plus there's something to be said for consistency. Dante and Don have logged a lot of minutes together in the back court already, and I believe there's value in being an actual team, rather than just a collection of talent. You learn what your teammates are going to do, where they like to shoot from, when to make a cut, etc. All those things come from playing together. So hopefully the burgeoning chemistry between those two makes them more valuable together than as individual pieces in a vacuum. Neither may be as naturally talented as Lykes, but there's potential for synergy that makes both into better players.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 10:19:35 GMT -5
We're going to Jackson!
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Apr 7, 2021 10:41:38 GMT -5
Jackson is a monster. Him and King/Timberlake would have us competing at the top of the BE.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 7, 2021 11:00:40 GMT -5
Ironically, possibly great news for the Hoyas!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 7, 2021 11:17:45 GMT -5
I really hope we get Jackson, so that is good news (I think).
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