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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2021 23:15:59 GMT -5
Height, like size, matters. Yes, we saw how ugly it went for 6’0” Dante in the BET...
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Post by thejerseytornado on Mar 15, 2021 8:34:54 GMT -5
I haven't watched Lykes at all in college, so I don't know if he's a fit. But his reputation as inefficient is...what? his Ts% and efg% in 2019-20 are better than every regular except Wahab (apples to oranges comparison of guard to center) and Carey (who scored half as much as lykes in similar minutes, so also kinda apples to oranges).
He might be a reluctant passer (but some of that might be Miami's offense, as no one this year had more than 3.3 assists per game with him out of the lineup and Larranaga's Miami rarely has a high assist player. The only one over 4 assists per game I could find was Angel Rodriquez senior year, I believe. And maybe Larkin once also in 8 years of coaching). he might be a bad fit. Dante Harris should be a starter next year after what he's done this year. but there's no need to be overly negative about a former top recruit who was putting up an actually pretty reasonably efficient 15+ ppg in a big conference.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 15, 2021 9:40:55 GMT -5
No way we take another PG. Another high pct gunner? Maybe. But if Bile isn't returning, finding a guy who does some of what he does at PF is priority 1, 2 and 3. Bile can be spectacularly inefficient and has zero conscience, but at his best he's equally dominating. Somehow that shot goes in at a reasonable rate, and he's a terror as a rebounder, rim protector and energy guy. Unless completely crazy happens and GU signs Chet, we aren't "replacing" Bile like-for-like if he leaves. He has been that key to our run. If we have to go committee with Holloway, Billingsley and Sibley, that's a huge net-minus on top of losing Pickett and Blair. Even if Q and Dante continue to grow, Aminu is as good as expected and Don is solid, you're stepping back with that group IMO. Getting Bile on board for next season is key to us keeping this roll going in my opinion. And, yes, I know that means a guy like Wilson or Berger has to move on if that happens. That's life. Absolutely no question you embrace Bile returning if he is willing.
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Post by skunk on Mar 15, 2021 10:06:33 GMT -5
ET yes, don’t need lykes though
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 15, 2021 10:07:00 GMT -5
Yeah Smokey I have done a 180° on Bile as far as wanting him back. The other 3 (Juggy, Morko and DC) I believe we can replace with the incoming freshmen and reasonable development from the current freshmen.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 15, 2021 10:30:39 GMT -5
If Bile does leave after this year, then next years team really could use another PF who is ready to step in and play right away, but they need to add more depth at the PG position also. I am not sure if that is Lykes or not, but going into next year with just Dante, as a true PG, is not a good idea. I hope Beard is ready to contribute right away and maybe TJ improves enough to play more point guard, but those are far from certainties. Finding another experienced PG would really help the team, especially if you run into foul trouble or any type of injury with Dante.
Being able to effectively handle ball pressure is a key to initiating good offense, and you could see the effect it had on Villinova when they lost their point guard and did not have a capable back up ready.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 15, 2021 10:34:20 GMT -5
Yeah Smokey I have done a 180° on Bile as far as wanting him back. The other 3 (Juggy, Morko and DC) I believe we can replace with the incoming freshmen and reasonable development from the current freshmen. Pretty sure Don is coming back...which is great. He is a very useful piece. Dante has improved so much that with Beard, Riley, Aminu and Carey, I no longer believe Blair's return is critical. I don't agree with some on here that he'd be in the way, but I take the point. Bile, though, completely changes the complexion of the team next season in my opinion. His attitude, athleticism, energy and size would really help as the group tries to stamp the culture on the newbies. Scary thing is that he can grow a ton as a player. But you really can't teach what he does. I'd feel the same about Pickett if he had Bile's attitude. As Dante said when asked about Bile by Ron Bailey on Sat night. "Chudi is a straight dog! He brings it like crazy every night." That's what I see...and that fierce competitive spirit personifies who I think Pat wants us to be as a program. Dante and Bile are old school Hoyas. They don't just want to beat you, they want to step on your soul. Watching that passion means almost as much to me as wins and losses. And way more than Xs and Os, it was what was missing throughout most of the JT3 era.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 10:42:30 GMT -5
Yeah Smokey I have done a 180° on Bile as far as wanting him back. The other 3 (Juggy, Morko and DC) I believe we can replace with the incoming freshmen and reasonable development from the current freshmen. Pretty sure Don is coming back...which is great. Why do you think that? (That you're sure he's coming back...)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 10:55:47 GMT -5
Yeah Smokey I have done a 180° on Bile as far as wanting him back. The other 3 (Juggy, Morko and DC) I believe we can replace with the incoming freshmen and reasonable development from the current freshmen. Pretty sure Don is coming back...which is great. He is a very useful piece. Dante has improved so much that with Beard, Riley, Aminu and Carey, I no longer believe Blair's return is critical. I don't agree with some on here that he'd be in the way, but I take the point. Bile, though, completely changes the complexion of the team next season in my opinion. His attitude, athleticism, energy and size would really help as the group tries to stamp the culture on the newbies. Scary thing is that he can grow a ton as a player. But you really can't teach what he does. I'd feel the same about Pickett if he had Bile's attitude. As Dante said when asked about Bile by Ron Bailey on Sat night. "Chudi is a straight dog! He brings it like crazy every night." That's what I see...and that fierce competitive spirit personifies who I think Pat wants us to be as a program. Dante and Bile are old school Hoyas. They don't just want to beat you, they want to step on your soul. Watching that passion means almost as much to me as wins and losses. And way more than Xs and Os, it was what was missing throughout most of the JT3 era. Leblanc was somewhat like Bile. He couldn't do as much as Bile but he did have energy like Bile though not as athletic. Perhaps coach should always look for the "Bile type" player (Swiss Army knife) either in high school or the transfer route because in my mind, the "Bile type" is a key ingredient to going far in the conference with wins and losses and advancing in tournaments. That should be coach's signature thing that he does and that is get the "Bile type" player every year or every other year.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 15, 2021 11:20:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure Don is coming back...which is great. Why do you think that? (That you're sure he's coming back...) He had two years of eligibility remaining when he arrived at GU. And other posters said he didn't go through truncated (no fans) Sr Day stuff a few weeks back. We'll see. I get the sense a lot of this is relatively fungible with Pat...which I personally like. Take the best 13 you can put together and don't publish that roster until move-in day. The kids at the bottom totally know their slots are precarious. That is a total given these days.
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Post by paranoia2 on Mar 15, 2021 11:30:39 GMT -5
Smokey jack nailed it. Dante & Bile transferred a lot of FORCE to the whole team. Hands are in passing lanes, there is some physicality and the Hoyas are coming up with loose balls like crazy,
At a certain point do you even doubt that Dante wants to win the game more than anyone else? Harris celebrates harder for his teammates’ plays than he does his own.
Bile back for another year would be fantastic.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 15, 2021 11:43:41 GMT -5
I dont think Don is coming back, not because I have any info, but rather that his intent from beginning was 1 and done at Gtown to play near home.
My complete guess is that we lose Bile, Pickett, Blair and DC. And 2 transfers of bench guys looking for more run at a lower level. Aminu takes 1 spot leaving us with 2 available.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 11:46:24 GMT -5
Bile, Pickett, Blair if they wanted too and it wouldn't count against our scholarships. Hopefully Carey changes his mind and decides to come back too.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 15, 2021 11:54:50 GMT -5
My concern is that if Harris were to sustain an injury, we don’t have a true and tested PG to slot in. Beard is an inexperienced combo.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 15, 2021 12:01:19 GMT -5
We need outside shooting too. Pickett, Blair, Carey and Bile are our outside shooting threats. Dante, will improve and Berger can shoot but will he play. Aminu and Riley can score but aren't great shooters.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 15, 2021 12:50:55 GMT -5
It would probably be a challenge to get an experienced PG to transfer in as a "10 minutes a game" backup to Harris. We got very lucky with Terrell Allen - he went from being a 3 year starter, and a starter on a good UCF team (that beat Zion's Duke team in the NCAA Tournament) to being a low minutes backup to Akinjo. Only a guy really looking to come home for his grad transfer year makes a move like that. The odds of getting another player who would be any good as a transfer backup PG next year seems pretty low to me.
Lykes is the one guy who fits the Allen profile, if he is willing to be a backup. His playing style is completely different from Allen's, but Lykes would be going from 3 year starter for a solid program to a backup at Georgetown - in order to play his final year at home. If Lykes can convince Ewing he would fully embrace this limited (but perhaps very important) role, he would be about the best we are likely to do on the grad transfer backup PG market.
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Post by hoya73 on Mar 15, 2021 13:09:51 GMT -5
And Terrell perfectly illustrates why you need a ready to start and play major minutes backup, in case S**t happens. No worries about Dante EVER bailing on GU, but other events I , supertitiously, don't want to enumerate, do occur.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 15, 2021 13:17:51 GMT -5
My concern is that if Harris were to sustain an injury, we don’t have a true and tested PG to slot in. Beard is an inexperienced combo. Yeah, that why I was on the Bile and Blair train for most of this season re: getting players to return for another season. Blair is absolutely not a PG, but he does have decent handles and a ton of experience. Certainly along with Beard, you'd have plenty of options if Harris were to miss significant time. In my perfect roster world, Bile and Blair return, a couple of guys at the bottom bolt for more playing time elsewhere, and you add another piece like Timberlake, Holmgren (:0) or Cam'Ron Fletcher. Going to be very interesting to watch...I think one thing is very clear - Pat has an EXCEPTIONAL eye for talent. To pull Harris and Bile in a class that looked like Sibley and a bunch of reach signees is insanely impressive. I'd say it can't happen again, but Mac wasn't highly ranked and neither was Blair. Now, I like your chances better if you're picking among 4 and 5star guys, but this staff has done extraordinarily well at finding diamonds in the rough.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 29, 2021 13:02:29 GMT -5
With Lykes affirming that he's going to do a 5th year rather than going pro, I've been thinking about the pros and cons of recruiting him to Georgetown. Figured I'd lay out the case both ways...
The Case Against Recruiting Lykes
We have a good, developing point guard already on the team in Dante Harris. Harris had a stellar Big East tournament and looks like a guy who we can slot in to the starting point guard role for the next 3 years. He and Lykes are too small to play at the same time, so by and large they're going to have to split 40 minutes of point guard minutes per game. That's going to mean stunting Dante's growth, frustrating a 5th year player in Lykes who is trying to boost his pro prospects, or both. Lykes can be a bit of a hog and may not fit with a team concept, especially as he is trying to boost his stock for pro opportunities. We don't currently have any open scholarships (assuming Carey is back), and if any open up they should be used to help us at either the forward or center positions where we have mostly unproven freshmen and sophomores. Aminu Mohammed's guardian has hinted at not being a fan of Lykes' game, so that's another potential chemistry issue to consider especially in light of recent events where it didn't take much to disgruntle a handler and lose a high level player. Lykes is not a good defender, and we have little room to be going backwards in that area.
The Case For Recruiting Lykes
He's a difference maker. If healthy he's going to give you in the neighborhood of 21 or 22 points per 40 minutes of floor time. He can create for himself and for his teammates, he's the kind of guy who you get the ball to late in the shot clock or late in the game and know he will make a play. Having complimentary players who can fill roles is great, but a team of "glue guys" isn't winning anything in the Big East. Our current roster has a lot of guys who maybe-hopefully-kinda look like they could conceivably be starters eventually, but they aren't alphas. They are role players who could be successful playing off an alpha, but they aren't guys who can take over a game or who are going to be all-conference any time soon. But Lykes is that kind of player. He's nationally relevant and he's a guy opposing coaches have to plan for.
Would it cut into Dante's playing time? Of course. But iron sharpens iron, and Dante will get better by playing with Lykes. Dante is going to be here for 4 years. Playing with an elite small guard like Lykes will be good for his long term development, even if he averages less mpg. He will learn a ton and get better as a result of all those practices and learning from a more mature player. It would be similar to the role we thought he was going to play this year under Jalen Harris, except he'd be learning from a better player and he's already a better player himself.
Realistically, we need another point guard. Dante's minutes per game the back half of this year were way too many. We need somebody else to help carry the load. Maybe it could be someone like Beard or Berger, but those are near total unknowns and it's possible that neither is a point guard (or that neither is good enough to play regular minutes at the BE level altogether, at least for the time being). Maybe there's an argument that another experienced point guard isn't the TOP need, but it is A need. And the idea that we should recruit an inferior player just because we don't want to rub Dante the wrong way is silly. It assumes a certain mental fragility in him that he really hasn't demonstrated, and the idea of recruiting a worse player just to avoid hurting feelings seems like a loser's mentality. Assuming everyone is committed to team ball, get the best players you can and let them compete. Everyone will be better off for it in the end. Worst case scenario, we have two really good point guards--that's a champagne problem.
Plus--brace yourself, blasphemy coming--are we SURE that Dante is everything we've built him up to be in recent weeks? His performance in New York was great and he's a very likable player, no doubt about it. But his overall body of work on the year was a mixed bag. He's quick and he plays hard, but he's got plenty of room for improvement, including minimizing turnovers and especially 3 point shooting (26% on the year on a not-insignificant number of attempts). His 3-12 from the field, 1-6 from 3 performance against Colorado wasn't exactly a total anomaly. He was actually 4-14 from the field and 0-5 from deep against Creighton and 2-10 from from the field, 0-2 from deep against Marquette at MSG. 2-11 from the field, 0-4 from deep against UConn in the regular season finale. Don't get me wrong, he was huge in MSG and will go down in history for it. But there's a reason he didn't even make the All-Freshman team despite having ~35 mpg (after Jalen left) to put up good counting stats. He'll get better and his future is bright, but as much as we like him we have to be objective about what he is right now. If there's an opportunity for us to upgrade and he has to play a supporting role as a sophomore before taking the reigns as a junior, we can't forgo that just because he is a likable kid and had a couple of good games at MSG.
On top of all this, Lykes brings a certain buzz that's attractive. He is one of the most exciting local players in the last several years, well-known by just about every fan in the area. Georgetown has struggled to get that kind of buzz under the current administration. We've seen tons of local recruits give us a look but ultimately pass. Adding a guy like Lykes could help change that perception. Does he make a transfer like Timberlake more likely? Does he make a fellow small guard we're recruiting like McDaniel more likely? Or other high end WCAC talent from Gonzaga or elsewhere? There's no guarantee, but it seems like it couldn't hurt.
It's an interesting debate. I'm kind of leaning one way on it, but think there's merit on both sides for sure and I don't think there's any wrong answers.
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Post by oldbigeast on Mar 29, 2021 14:25:33 GMT -5
With Lykes affirming that he's going to do a 5th year rather than going pro, I've been thinking about the pros and cons of recruiting him to Georgetown. Figured I'd lay out the case both ways... The Case Against Recruiting LykesWe have a good, developing point guard already on the team in Dante Harris. Harris had a stellar Big East tournament and looks like a guy who we can slot in to the starting point guard role for the next 3 years. He and Lykes are too small to play at the same time, so by and large they're going to have to split 40 minutes of point guard minutes per game. That's going to mean stunting Dante's growth, frustrating a 5th year player in Lykes who is trying to boost his pro prospects, or both. Lykes can be a bit of a hog and may not fit with a team concept, especially as he is trying to boost his stock for pro opportunities. We don't currently have any open scholarships (assuming Carey is back), and if any open up they should be used to help us at either the forward or center positions where we have mostly unproven freshmen and sophomores. Aminu Mohammed's guardian has hinted at not being a fan of Lykes' game, so that's another potential chemistry issue to consider especially in light of recent events where it didn't take much to disgruntle a handler and lose a high level player. Lykes is not a good defender, and we have little room to be going backwards in that area. The Case For Recruiting LykesHe's a difference maker. If healthy he's going to give you in the neighborhood of 21 or 22 points per 40 minutes of floor time. He can create for himself and for his teammates, he's the kind of guy who you get the ball to late in the shot clock or late in the game and know he will make a play. Having complimentary players who can fill roles is great, but a team of "glue guys" isn't winning anything in the Big East. Our current roster has a lot of guys who maybe-hopefully-kinda look like they could conceivably be starters eventually, but they aren't alphas. They are role players who could be successful playing off an alpha, but they aren't guys who can take over a game or who are going to be all-conference any time soon. But Lykes is that kind of player. He's nationally relevant and he's a guy opposing coaches have to plan for. Would it cut into Dante's playing time? Of course. But iron sharpens iron, and Dante will get better by playing with Lykes. Dante is going to be here for 4 years. Playing with an elite small guard like Lykes will be good for his long term development, even if he averages less mpg. He will learn a ton and get better as a result of all those practices and learning from a more mature player. It would be similar to the role we thought he was going to play this year under Jalen Harris, except he'd be learning from a better player and he's already a better player himself. Realistically, we need another point guard. Dante's minutes per game the back half of this year were way too many. We need somebody else to help carry the load. Maybe it could be someone like Beard or Berger, but those are near total unknowns and it's possible that neither is a point guard (or that neither is good enough to play regular minutes at the BE level altogether, at least for the time being). Maybe there's an argument that another experienced point guard isn't the TOP need, but it is A need. And the idea that we should recruit an inferior player just because we don't want to rub Dante the wrong way is silly. It assumes a certain mental fragility in him that he really hasn't demonstrated, and the idea of recruiting a worse player just to avoid hurting feelings seems like a loser's mentality. Assuming everyone is committed to team ball, get the best players you can and let them compete. Everyone will be better off for it in the end. Worst case scenario, we have two really good point guards--that's a champagne problem. Plus--brace yourself, blasphemy coming--are we SURE that Dante is everything we've built him up to be in recent weeks? His performance in New York was great and he's a very likable player, no doubt about it. But his overall body of work on the year was a mixed bag. He's quick and he plays hard, but he's got plenty of room for improvement, including minimizing turnovers and especially 3 point shooting (26% on the year on a not-insignificant number of attempts). His 3-12 from the field, 1-6 from 3 performance against Colorado wasn't exactly a total anomaly. He was actually 4-14 from the field and 0-5 from deep against Creighton and 2-10 from from the field, 0-2 from deep against Marquette at MSG. 2-11 from the field, 0-4 from deep against UConn in the regular season finale. Don't get me wrong, he was huge in MSG and will go down in history for it. But there's a reason he didn't even make the All-Freshman team despite having ~35 mpg (after Jalen left) to put up good counting stats. He'll get better and his future is bright, but as much as we like him we have to be objective about what he is right now. If there's an opportunity for us to upgrade and he has to play a supporting role as a sophomore before taking the reigns as a junior, we can't forgo that just because he is a likable kid and had a couple of good games at MSG. On top of all this, Lykes brings a certain buzz that's attractive. He is one of the most exciting local players in the last several years, well-known by just about every fan in the area. Georgetown has struggled to get that kind of buzz under the current administration. We've seen tons of local recruits give us a look but ultimately pass. Adding a guy like Lykes could help change that perception. Does he make a transfer like Timberlake more likely? Does he make a fellow small guard we're recruiting like McDaniel more likely? Or other high end WCAC talent from Gonzaga or elsewhere? There's no guarantee, but it seems like it couldn't hurt. It's an interesting debate. I'm kind of leaning one way on it, but think there's merit on both sides for sure and I don't think there's any wrong answers. Thanks RB. I agree with the case for. You take the playmaking and the buzz it creates and you live with the rest. We don't know if any of the freshmen will be ready to come in and be a primary scorer on a BE team, so I think getting a transfer like Lykes eases that burden. Also, like Blair he could be just as effective coming off of the bench.
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