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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 11, 2015 16:00:07 GMT -5
We have two point guards in Campbell and Mosely. The primary need is a combo guard/shooting guard who is automatic from outside and has offensive firepower. Basically a DSR/Freeman type or a grad transfer Matt Carlino type scorer. Professor why are you so convinced that Jagan is a PG? Everything that I have read says that Jagan is a combo that wants to be a PG. Turning a SG to a PG is the hardest transformation that a baller can make in my opinion. You and a few others are convinced that Jagan can make the change at the BE level so easily. I think you guys want so badly to find the next Westbrook/Curry/Wall that you are turning your hopes into reality. Maybe he will develop but I don't want to go into next year with Tre and a freshman combo as my only PGs.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 11, 2015 22:50:34 GMT -5
We have two point guards in Campbell and Mosely. The primary need is a combo guard/shooting guard who is automatic from outside and has offensive firepower. Basically a DSR/Freeman type or a grad transfer Matt Carlino type scorer. Professor why are you so convinced that Jagan is a PG? Everything that I have read says that Jagan is a combo that wants to be a PG. Turning a SG to a PG is the hardest transformation that a baller can make in my opinion. You and a few others are convinced that Jagan can make the change at the BE level so easily. I think you guys want so badly to find the next Westbrook/Curry/Wall that you are turning your hopes into reality. Maybe he will develop but I don't want to go into next year with Tre and a freshman combo as my only PGs. DSR seems to have handled the transition well. When was the last time we carried 3 scholarship point guards. It's seems like it's always been too Wright/Starks, Starks/DSR, DSR/Tre Campbell Seems kind of redundant and compromises playing time for all 3 point guards. Jagan's a smart kid. He knows there aren't 6-2 shooting guards in the NBA. That's not going to be his ticket to the Association. Jagan's coming here to play point and they've told him that is what he will play. If you bring in 3 point guards what's likely going to happen is Jagan will end up being shifted over to shooting guard for the majority of his minutes because at the college level he can play that. That will stunt his development as a point guard because he won't have the primary ball handling duties, defend other teams point guards, or have the leadership responsibilities of the floor generalship that a point guard entails. Tre Campbell is likely still here for 2 years. Bringing in another point guard at the same time as Jagan, gives you 3 point guards over the next two years. If you give Tre Campbell 25 minutes (likely), that leaves 15 minutes split between Jagan and point guard X. I really think Jagan has the right intellect, coaching pedigree (Hurley) and all the physical measureables (6-9 wingspan, athelticism) to make it to the NBA. (NBA size and athleticism are such a premium). We can really help him reach that dream by playing him as much as possible at point and if he makes the NBA it only benefits us because now JTIII will have put a combo/point guard in the Association. That will help in trying to recruit these 4/5 star top 50 guards.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 11, 2015 23:03:45 GMT -5
Add in that our offense has functioned perfectly well with combo guards: DSR; Ashanti; Jon Wallace; Clark. Even Chris Wright and Markel were shoot first.
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 11, 2015 23:25:06 GMT -5
Professor why are you so convinced that Jagan is a PG? Everything that I have read says that Jagan is a combo that wants to be a PG. Turning a SG to a PG is the hardest transformation that a baller can make in my opinion. You and a few others are convinced that Jagan can make the change at the BE level so easily. I think you guys want so badly to find the next Westbrook/Curry/Wall that you are turning your hopes into reality. Maybe he will develop but I don't want to go into next year with Tre and a freshman combo as my only PGs. DSR seems to have handled the transition well. When was the last time we carried 3 scholarship point guards. It's seems like it's always been too Wright/Starks, Starks/DSR, DSR/Tre Campbell Seems kind of redundant and compromises playing time for all 3 point guards. Jagan's a smart kid. He knows there aren't 6-2 shooting guards in the NBA. That's not going to be his ticket to the Association. Jagan's coming here to play point and they've told him that is what he will play. If you bring in 3 point guards what's likely going to happen is Jagan will end up being shifted over to shooting guard for the majority of his minutes because at the college level he can play that. That will stunt his development as a point guard because he won't have the primary ball handling duties, defend other teams point guards, or have the leadership responsibilities of the floor generalship that a point guard entails. Tre Campbell is likely still here for 2 years. Bringing in another point guard at the same time as Jagan, gives you 3 point guards over the next two years. If you give Tre Campbell 25 minutes (likely), that leaves 15 minutes split between Jagan and point guard X. I really think Jagan has the right intellect, coaching pedigree (Hurley) and all the physical measureables (6-9 wingspan, athelticism) to make it to the NBA. (NBA size and athleticism are such a premium). We can really help him reach that dream by playing him as much as possible at point and if he makes the NBA it only benefits us because now JTIII will have put a combo/point guard in the Association. That will help in trying to recruit these 4/5 star top 50 guards. You conveniently left Clark and Freeman out of the equation. They were just as much PG as DSR has been during his time on the Hilltop. I want Jagan to succeed also but it is not GTown's job to turn him into a PG especially at the detriment of the team.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 11, 2015 23:37:18 GMT -5
DSR seems to have handled the transition well. When was the last time we carried 3 scholarship point guards. It's seems like it's always been too Wright/Starks, Starks/DSR, DSR/Tre Campbell Seems kind of redundant and compromises playing time for all 3 point guards. Jagan's a smart kid. He knows there aren't 6-2 shooting guards in the NBA. That's not going to be his ticket to the Association. Jagan's coming here to play point and they've told him that is what he will play. If you bring in 3 point guards what's likely going to happen is Jagan will end up being shifted over to shooting guard for the majority of his minutes because at the college level he can play that. That will stunt his development as a point guard because he won't have the primary ball handling duties, defend other teams point guards, or have the leadership responsibilities of the floor generalship that a point guard entails. Tre Campbell is likely still here for 2 years. Bringing in another point guard at the same time as Jagan, gives you 3 point guards over the next two years. If you give Tre Campbell 25 minutes (likely), that leaves 15 minutes split between Jagan and point guard X. I really think Jagan has the right intellect, coaching pedigree (Hurley) and all the physical measureables (6-9 wingspan, athelticism) to make it to the NBA. (NBA size and athleticism are such a premium). We can really help him reach that dream by playing him as much as possible at point and if he makes the NBA it only benefits us because now JTIII will have put a combo/point guard in the Association. That will help in trying to recruit these 4/5 star top 50 guards. You conveniently left Clark and Freeman out of the equation. They were just as much PG as DSR has been during his time on the Hilltop. I want Jagan to succeed also but it is not GTown's job to turn him into a PG especially at the detriment of the team. Freeman was never a point guard. He was basically an undersized 2 which is probably why he didn't make the Association. DSR actually played the point guard position last season. Clark would run the ball up court on his one man fast break. He may have played a little point to give wright or Starks a breather. Honestly I can't remember if he was there when Starks was there. But once again an undersized shooting guard by NBA standards. If Georgetown wants to put combo/point guards in the association it is their job to play guys like Mosely at the position he would have to play in the NBA. That's the skills development that you see from Pitino or Creen w/ wade/oladipo. And I think it's an exaggeration to say Mosely at the point would be detrimental to the team. I would prefer we get guys to the NBA because that helps recruiting. To stick a guy at shooting guard (when he can't play that in the NBA) and say go play college ball for 3-4 years is wasting his time.
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Post by dense on Nov 12, 2015 2:10:14 GMT -5
We have two point guards in Campbell and Mosely. The primary need is a combo guard/shooting guard who is automatic from outside and has offensive firepower. Basically a DSR/Freeman type or a grad transfer Matt Carlino type scorer. Professor why are you so convinced that Jagan is a PG? Everything that I have read says that Jagan is a combo that wants to be a PG. Turning a SG to a PG is the hardest transformation that a baller can make in my opinion. You and a few others are convinced that Jagan can make the change at the BE level so easily. I think you guys want so badly to find the next Westbrook/Curry/Wall that you are turning your hopes into reality. Maybe he will develop but I don't want to go into next year with Tre and a freshman combo as my only PGs. Jagan is doing all the facilitating for St Anthonys now. Hurley has been doing this since last year so yes he will be a PG. His travel team is all guards therefore why a scouting for him says he is a combo guard. The NJ Playaz play 4 guards ala Nova.
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Post by dense on Nov 12, 2015 2:14:28 GMT -5
To the point of Jason Clark. When he was at OConnell he basically was a SF. Kendall Marshall was the PG. He made a decent transformation. Jagan will be fine at PG.
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Post by dense on Nov 12, 2015 2:17:20 GMT -5
We have two point guards in Campbell and Mosely. The primary need is a combo guard/shooting guard who is automatic from outside and has offensive firepower. Basically a DSR/Freeman type or a grad transfer Matt Carlino type scorer. This but it has to be someone who can play. Id rather get no one and roll with Kaleb as the starting 2 if LJ leaves. Could even rotate Paul White into that spot.
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Post by daymondmyles on Nov 12, 2015 9:42:43 GMT -5
I'll turn the question around. What makes you think Jagan should be a SG. He's not that great of a scorer or shooter right now. And he is more of a facilitator so why SG exactly? Regardless, a lack of a ball handler is not my biggest worry. It's the lack of a complete scorer should Peak leave. That's why Eubanks was intriguing because he could really score and that's what next year's team will need the most at the G position. At the end of the day, I don't think Eubanks was the answer for us though anyway.
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Post by bkhoya on Nov 12, 2015 10:51:51 GMT -5
I agree, ball handling is not something I'm overly concerned with, getting buckets is. That's going to be a gaping hole after DSR leaves and especially if Peak leaves as well.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 12, 2015 11:07:56 GMT -5
I agree, ball handling is not something I'm overly concerned with, getting buckets is. That's going to be a gaping hole after DSR leaves and especially if Peak leaves as well. It's shooting from the guard position that will be in demand. That's really the thing I'm uncomfortable with. Tre is a good shooter, but three of the four guards next year may have it as an opportunity area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 11:36:32 GMT -5
Jagan plays a CG role for St Ant's the games I've seen..He plays some on ball but not the full time with Asante Gust Rj Cole and Shyquan Gibbs on the roster.
Perimeter scoring needs to come from Tre and LJ assuming he stays
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 12, 2015 12:22:48 GMT -5
Perimeter scoring needs to come from Tre and LJ assuming he stays And Paul and Ike and Marcus...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 12, 2015 13:15:47 GMT -5
Plus Reggie...and others perhaps as well.
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Post by lucky on Nov 12, 2015 13:18:43 GMT -5
Did we get any surprise signings on day 1 of the early signing period?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 13:33:05 GMT -5
Perimeter scoring needs to come from Tre and LJ assuming he stays And Paul and Ike and Marcus... At the Guard spot...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 12, 2015 15:26:53 GMT -5
And Paul and Ike and Marcus... At the Guard spot... Oh, I know. I'm just saying that while only Tre is a known quality outside shooter from the guard spot, we do have the advantage that Paul, Ike, Marcus and Jessie are all above average 3pt shooters for their position. That can space the floor as well.
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 12, 2015 15:59:52 GMT -5
I'll turn the question around. What makes you think Jagan should be a SG. He's not that great of a scorer or shooter right now. And he is more of a facilitator so why SG exactly? Regardless, a lack of a ball handler is not my biggest worry. It's the lack of a complete scorer should Peak leave. That's why Eubanks was intriguing because he could really score and that's what next year's team will need the most at the G position. At the end of the day, I don't think Eubanks was the answer for us though anyway. I don't have a definitive position on Jagan as a player. That is exactly my argument with the anti-DaDa crew. All I know is that, based on what I've read,(1) Jagan has not played PG full time and (2)that is the hardest position to transition to if you've been a 2G your entire career. When did Vic play PG at IU? I remember Crean giving the ball to Yogi as a true freshman. Remember we played that team in a early tourney and lost in OT. Wade didn't play PG either, he was a 2G in college. Yall are confusing taking over late in the game with running a team for 30+ mins.............. Westbrook didn't even play the 1 in college and it has taken him 3 yrs to become a complete "scoring PG". The only real example of one of these CGs running a college team successfully is Steph taking over PG duties his Soph year and he played in a weak conference. Maybe Tyreke Evans but he hasn't seen many days at the point since he left Memphis.........
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Post by Talos on Nov 12, 2015 17:10:30 GMT -5
We have two point guards in Campbell and Mosely. The primary need is a combo guard/shooting guard who is automatic from outside and has offensive firepower. Basically a DSR/Freeman type or a grad transfer Matt Carlino type scorer. This but it has to be someone who can play. Id rather get no one and roll with Kaleb as the starting 2 if LJ leaves. Could even rotate Paul White into that spot. I agree that Kaleb and Paul have some nice guard skills for their size. But I'd be a little concerned about their ability to defend smaller, quicker guards. Do you think they have the lateral quickness to guard opponents' 2s? For anyone who watched Kaleb in Kenner, was he able to check other team's guards?
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 12, 2015 17:29:07 GMT -5
Hardy needs to see if he can get the program in on Eron Gordon from Indiana, he's a 6-2 or 3 SG..
He has a reputation as a scorer but can handle some too.. This team needs a shooter to compliment Mosely
He's slipped some since the summer but he's 107 on Rivals & 101 on Scout.. Seton Hall, Memphis & Nevada are his leaders right now so that's not daunting..
I can't see holding off until 2017 especially when there aren't any lead guard type kids that G'town is the perceived leader for in 2017..
Devonte Green is another kid, I'd like to see the staff take a look at..
This class was loaded with guards, it's disappointing the staff could only pull 1...
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