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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 31, 2005 9:02:30 GMT -5
Did anyone see the trend that just about half the guys on the court were going to Duke, Kansas, UNC, or pro? I know everyone will say that just because you are a McD all-american it doesn't mean you are going to be that good, but it is a pretty decent pool of talent.
Some of those guys are clearly going to get paid next year in the SEC or at Ok St. where Sutton runs about as clean a program as Tarkanian (who I love by the way). Also, I can't wait to hate that guy going to Cuse.
We need to start showing up on the radar screen and at least getting one or two of these guys going forward.
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Post by bowmansbruzers on Mar 31, 2005 11:14:00 GMT -5
All I can say is that Josh McRoberts and Greg Paulus are gonna be a great hookup 2 years from now. When you add Boateng in there Duke is gonna be scary again. But Green for OK State is going to be a player. Also, Amir Johnson will have a great future. He can shoot dribble and rebound and run the floor like a 6'2 pg and also, he can DUNK. Also, just wanted to say that the 3-point/dunk contest for college is on tonight on espn at 9p.m. I believe. I wished Jeff was in it. But, I do not know who is in it.
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Post by the_way on Mar 31, 2005 11:40:10 GMT -5
The kid that looked the best to me last night, was Wright. He was all over the place, defending, running pg. Paulus didn't really impress me that much,and I can't see why McRoberts was player of the year. He is going to have to bulk up if he is going to play center. This is probably the worst class of talent in the McD game in a long time. No big time stars in this class. Nobody should be thinking NBA right now.
ON a side note, did anyone hear the horrible commentating of Jay/Jayson Williams, last night. I had to literally put the my tv on mute, because his commentating is horrendous. Does every Duke basketball graduate get to have a job at ESPN!??
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Post by HoyasSkins on Mar 31, 2005 11:53:57 GMT -5
I thought that Paulus looked pretty good running the point. He is a great passer and a good shooter (9-10 from the line). Josh McRoberts didn't impress me as much, he did not look nearly as athletic as many of the others. I don't think Duke has quite the recruiting class that they think, but it is solid nonetheless. Julian Wright could become a great player, he is big and athletic. He could make a big impact as a freshman. Green was impressive as well, knocking down a bunch of threes, and putting together some great stuff in the dunk contest. Thats all I can remember, it would be nice to see some georgetown guys, maybe in a few years. Either way, I'm excited about our incoming guys, they are all solid.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 31, 2005 14:01:04 GMT -5
I didn't bother to tape this game, as I had no interest in it without any of the teams I root for represented. I did see Green's dunk on the news last night, however. It was nasty! Isn't he supposedly going to the NBA?
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Post by GUHoya07 on Mar 31, 2005 14:11:50 GMT -5
All I can say is that Josh McRoberts and Greg Paulus are gonna be a great hookup 2 years from now. When you add Boateng in there Duke is gonna be scary again. But Green for OK State is going to be a player. Also, Amir Johnson will have a great future. He can shoot dribble and rebound and run the floor like a 6'2 pg and also, he can DUNK. Also, just wanted to say that the 3-point/dunk contest for college is on tonight on espn at 9p.m. I believe. I wished Jeff was in it. But, I do not know who is in it. Boateng will just be another Casey Sanders, but Paulus will be a very good point I think. Gerald Green will be a player....in the NBA. I think the college contests are only for seniors, at least thats what I remember from the past....so you definitely wont be seeing Jeff in it. |
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Post by GUHoya07 on Mar 31, 2005 14:14:32 GMT -5
This game is complete BS now. You don't get in simply for being one of the best players, you can also get in because of the school you sign with. A guy like Brandoon Rush who is ranked #4 overall by Rivals didnt get a spot, but #89 Danny Green (not Gerald) got a spot because he committed to UNC.
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Post by bowmansbruzers on Mar 31, 2005 14:38:33 GMT -5
Ya I was kind of mad when I saw the rosters. I think they should come up with a new plan to get the best players their for next year and years to come. I mean we will see all these kids who are ranked in the 60's or above when they get to the big schools enough. This game is the top high school game for seniors which should get the top high school players in it. If I was Rush, and I saw a Green get in it, I would be pretty p.o.'ed.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 31, 2005 15:13:34 GMT -5
No chance Gerald Green plays college ball. He'll be a top 10 NBA draft pick though.
I didnt watch the game, mostly because I dont care to see an exhibition game among Duke/Kansas/UNC recruits, and dont care to watch the love-fest of those teams that comes with ESPN's coverage. The game isn't designed to showcase the countries best players, its designed to showcase the players with the most hype who'll be at high profile colleges or in the league next year. I dont put a lot of value at all on McDonalds All American status. It has nothing to do with the best players, and everything to do with hype.
Sure, Id like to land some top quality recruits, and maybe some of them will be McDonalds All Americans. But I dont think our top priority should be looking for guys who are the type to be in this game. I personally prefer guys who come to Georgetown to play 3 or more years, who work as hard in the class room as on the court, and represent the university well... not some hotshot who graces us with his presence for a year just so he can get some publicity on his way to the NBA.
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Post by rccoleon on Mar 31, 2005 18:21:15 GMT -5
dont forget chalmers perfomance last night, he had a hell of a second half. the time hit the three and the stole the inbound and hit another three was sick. rush getting snubbed was shocking, but i wouldnt say its entirely determined by where they went to school. they got most of the players rightly placed.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Mar 31, 2005 18:30:04 GMT -5
Its obviously not ENTIRELY determined by where they go to school because they do get many legitimate top 20 guys, but with some its obviously because of the school they signed with.
A guy like Gerald Green obviously belongs in the game. Rivals Top 150: #1 Overall
A guy like Danny Green obviously got in because he signed with UNC. Rivals Top 150: #89 Overall
Its also a lot easier for you to agree with the picks since you go to one of the schools the burger game likes-Kansas.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 31, 2005 18:52:30 GMT -5
RSCI Rankings (outside Top 24 in Bold):
Barber 16
Boateng 24
Bynum 19
Costner 22
Devendorf 9
Green, D. 42
Green, G. 23
Hendrix 3
McRoberts 2
Mitchell 8
Paulus 21
Williams 1
Brockman 12
Chalmers 11
Downs 15
Eaton 19
Ellis 5
Frasor 17
Hansbrough 4
Johnson 14
Miles 13
Webster 7
Wright 6
Zeller 25
Snubs: Keith Brumbaugh, Brandon Rush
If you look at the consensus rankings, it's almost perfectly in line. Danny Green didn't deserve it, and Rush and Brumbaugh have a case, but other than that, it's in perfect line with the rankings.
The problem isn't with the McDonald's folks, who are just marching to the info they have. It's with the rankings folks -- some of whom are merely wrong because it is easy to be wrong in the predicting business, and some who are intellectually dishonest.
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Post by rccoleon on Mar 31, 2005 18:54:31 GMT -5
i agree with what you say about green, but kansas didnt have any players taht should not have gotten in the game. all three were in the top 16 in rivals. last year we didnt get any, and still had the second best recruiting class in the country by rivals. so obviously being a Mc-Allamerican doesnt mean everything.
hopefully our hoyas pull some of these guys in the future. i am confident that JT will be able to get it done on the recruiting end.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Mar 31, 2005 18:59:13 GMT -5
RSCI Rankings (outside Top 24 in Bold): Barber 16 Boateng 24 Bynum 19 Costner 22 Devendorf 9 Green, D. 42Green, G. 23 Hendrix 3 McRoberts 2 Mitchell 8 Paulus 21 Williams 1 Brockman 12 Chalmers 11 Downs 15 Eaton 19 Ellis 5 Frasor 17 Hansbrough 4 Johnson 14 Miles 13 Webster 7 Wright 6 Zeller 25Snubs: Keith Brumbaugh, Brandon Rush If you look at the consensus rankings, it's almost perfectly in line. Danny Green didn't deserve it, and Rush and Brumbaugh have a case, but other than that, it's in perfect line with the rankings. The problem isn't with the McDonald's folks, who are just marching to the info they have. It's with the rankings folks -- some of whom are merely wrong because it is easy to be wrong in the predicting business, and some who are intellectually dishonest. Another thing that tends to happen with certain players is that they get ranked higher once they committ to one of the popular schools, and others get ranked lower for not committing to a Duke or UNC. An example of benefitting from a committment to Duke is someone like Eric Boateng who lots of people have real doubts about. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 31, 2005 19:13:08 GMT -5
i agree with what you say about green, but kansas didnt have any players taht should not have gotten in the game. all three were in the top 16 in rivals. last year we didnt get any, and still had the second best recruiting class in the country by rivals. so obviously being a Mc-Allamerican doesnt mean everything. hopefully our hoyas pull some of these guys in the future. i am confident that JT will be able to get it done on the recruiting end. Don't mind us. We're just bitter. Put your Hoya hat on and it is easy to see why. Our recruits are always underrated. Or that's the way it seems. 1998 - #59 Braswell. Actually seems about right. Maybe seems a little high. Willie Taylor was the other member of that class. 1999 - #74 Courtland Freeman, #97 Wesley Wilson. Two overrated for different reasons. Wes deserved his until his last year. In retrospect, Hunter might've best the best of that heralded class. 2000 - #34 Mike Sweetney. #98 Gerald Riley. Grossly underrated on the former, maybe a bit overrated on the latter. 2001 - #63 Harvey Thomas. If that. Next. 2002 - No one. Brandon is definitely a Top 100 guy from his class, IMO. 2003 - #74 Darian Townes, #86 Matt Causey. Townes may be deserving, Causey not so much. 2004 - No one. Obviously a huge job underrating Jeff and Roy. 2005 - No one. Lookin' for a repeat of 2004! --------------------- So, maybe we don't get mauled. Certain teams get bumps, but while Sweets, Jeff, Brandon were all somewhat missed, we wern't inspiring a lot of confidence. Interesting note that we had TWO consensus Top #100 recruits last year; this year we had none. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 31, 2005 19:16:34 GMT -5
BTW, the 2000-2001 team is a nice interim roster situation to aspire to --
Top 100 consensus:
Sweets
Bras
Riley
Courtland
Wes
Ruben (I'm projecting)
AP
Nice surprise in Hunter
JC AA in Lee Scruggs
Some not as deserving, some more deserving, and a bit young and frontcourt heavy, but if we consistently have seven or more real consensus Top 100 recruits, we'll be an exceptional team with the coaching we had.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Mar 31, 2005 19:18:14 GMT -5
Wow, Jessie Sapp isn't a consensus top 100? He's #55 on rivals.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 31, 2005 19:23:27 GMT -5
Wow, Jessie Sapp isn't a consensus top 100? He's #55 on rivals. On Insiders, Jessie is a 3 star. As are Josh, Marc and Tay. Hoopscoop has Josh as 6 out of 10, but everyone else as 3s. Hoopmasters has them all outside the Top 100. Late-bloomer, prep players, injured guys, etc., all miss out. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 1, 2005 15:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 1, 2005 17:32:06 GMT -5
Its pretty obvious that the fact that those players werent chosen was more than a basketball decision. Keith has a questionable off the court reputation and Brandon Rush, thank god he didnt play. Because if he had a decent game he would have declared. This is similar to when Chris Thomas made the game over Jonathan Hargett back in 2001. Guys like Wooden and Wooten obviously are taking more than basketball in consideration when selecting these players.
As for McRoberts...maybe we were watching a different game. I saw a 6'11 white guy with above average athleticism, great ballhandling, and above average range for someone that big. I also saw a big man with a HIGH basketball IQ out there. I dont know whats not to be impressed about. Im sure most Hoya fans would dream for a big man like that.
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