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Post by This Just In on Feb 24, 2014 9:06:46 GMT -5
With a 22 point win in a must win game against Xavier, which appear to have burst their NCAA bubble and saved ours...
JTIII when back to a trend which he has done in the past and tightened the rotation from 8 to 7.
Jabril Trawick started and played 30 plus mins., while Reggie Cameron was nailed to the bench until under 2mins. in the game. Cameron's leash seems to be back to pre BE Schedule PT.
The only other 2 bench players to get any PT was Moses and Bowen...
Moses had his first big game in a long time while getting above 8mins and Bowen continued his steady play.
It is safe to assume that this that even if there is foul trouble that the Lucky 7 will be used against Marquette and hopefully with the same results. It is crunch time and apparently going the road to the Final Four this 7 man rotation will either send the Hoyas to the NCAA Tournament or to the NIT Tournament.
The question is
1. Do you think the 7 man rotation will continue for the rest of the year?
2. Do you think this was a 1-game occurrence and the Marquette game will see a more used rotation...(i.e. include Reggie Cameron)?
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 24, 2014 9:28:03 GMT -5
If the top 7 are playing well I think hell stick with it...if we arent getting scoring then we may see Reggie get the opportunity. It remains to be seen if he will sink some shots or be cold as usual as of late.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 24, 2014 9:44:36 GMT -5
Most departures from those seven will probably be governed by foul trouble. Even within these seven you have a lot of weaknesses, but it gets even worse when you go farther down the depth chart. At this point, these seven give us the best chance to win.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 24, 2014 10:34:31 GMT -5
Luck has nothing to do with who plays. I believe Reggie will continue to get mins.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 24, 2014 10:35:10 GMT -5
If we need more offense then Reggie will get some minutes. But our chances of success rely primarily on our defense, where he is a liability right now, so he will only see those situational minutes(absent foul trouble for 2 or 3 guys in the same game).
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 24, 2014 10:48:37 GMT -5
I mentioned this in another thread. Aaron Bowen has played his way ahead of Reggie at the 4. He's even 35% from three in conference play. So when we play small, Aaron is better on offense and defense. He'll get more minutes barring foul trouble.
No knock on Reggie, Aaron just took it from him.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 24, 2014 11:32:51 GMT -5
I mentioned this in another thread. Aaron Bowen has played his way ahead of Reggie at the 4. He's even 35% from three in conference play. So when we play small, Aaron is better on offense and defense. He'll get more minutes barring foul trouble. No knock on Reggie, Aaron just took it from him. Agree with GIGAFAN on this point. Reality is that a 6'5" Bowen plays bigger than a 6'8" Cameron, and therefore can get minutes at the 4 spot, particularly against smaller teams. That said, I don't think we'll have the luxury of playing 7 guys against Marquette, as a road game against those bigs will likely lead to foul trouble for one/more of Hopkins (most likely offender), Ayegba (second most likely offender) and Lubick. Remember Caprio got crunch time minutes (and screwed up royally) last time we played Marquette. With the way Gardner, Otule and Jamil Wilson attack the basket, I think there's just about 0 chance that JT III will have the luxury of sticking with his "Lucky 7". |
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 24, 2014 11:43:05 GMT -5
I mentioned this in another thread. Aaron Bowen has played his way ahead of Reggie at the 4. He's even 35% from three in conference play. So when we play small, Aaron is better on offense and defense. He'll get more minutes barring foul trouble. No knock on Reggie, Aaron just took it from him. Agree with GIGAFAN on this point. Reality is that a 6'5" Bowen plays bigger than a 6'8" Cameron, and therefore can get minutes at the 4 spot, particularly against smaller teams. That said, I don't think we'll have the luxury of playing 7 guys against Marquette, as a road game against those bigs will likely lead to foul trouble for one/more of Hopkins (most likely offender), Ayegba (second most likely offender) and Lubick. Remember Caprio got crunch time minutes (and screwed up royally) last time we played Marquette. With the way Gardner, Otule and Jamil Wilson attack the basket, I think there's just about 0 chance that JT III will have the luxury of sticking with his "Lucky 7". I know I'm feeding right in to the hands of the B. Hayes fan club, but for the simple fact that Marquette's strength is their front court, I say if we have some major foul trouble in the first half, toss the 7 footer out there to use his body and play some defense. Marquette is similarly plagued by offensive struggles so I think you can gamble on a guy who isn't going to give us anything on that end. We pretty much do the same thing with Moses, I'm no coach though so what do I know. |
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 24, 2014 15:43:38 GMT -5
With a 22 point win in a must win game against Xavier, which appear to have burst their NCAA bubble and saved ours... JTIII when back to a trend which he has done in the past and tightened the rotation from 8 to 7. Jabril Trawick started and played 30 plus mins., while Reggie Cameron was nailed to the bench until under 2mins. in the game. Cameron's leash seems to be back to pre BE Schedule PT. The only other 2 bench players to get any PT was Moses and Bowen... Moses had his first big game in a long time while getting above 8mins and Bowen continued his steady play. It is safe to assume that this that even if there is foul trouble that the Lucky 7 will be used against Marquette and hopefully with the same results. It is crunch time and apparently going the road to the Final Four this 7 man rotation will either send the Hoyas to the NCAA Tournament or to the NIT Tournament. The question is 1. Do you think the 7 man rotation will continue for the rest of the year? 2. Do you think this was a 1-game occurrence and the Marquette game will see a more used rotation...(i.e. include Reggie Cameron)? Depends, but i think down the line JTIII will probably need to add to the rotation for a game or 2 here or there |
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 24, 2014 15:47:50 GMT -5
Luck has nothing to do with who plays. I believe Reggie will continue to get mins. one thing JTIII has done time and time again is change his lineup/minutes and then the next game revert to previous M.O.. BUT he's also nailed players to the bench and not played them much again. (Tyler Crawf. and couple others). So I guess who knows. But I think GU'll need Cameron. It'd be good if he could get in on those late night shooting sessions with DSR and Starks  |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 24, 2014 16:01:17 GMT -5
I'd be willing to wager that the first half against Xavier was the first half we've played all year where the other team failed to reach the bonus against us (and definitely during conference play). Less guys in foul trouble means less of a need to go deep into the bench. Fatigue shouldn't be an issue until we reach the BET (and only if we go deep); our last three games are spaced out with plenty of rest in between each. The guys who give us the best chance to win should be the guys who see the majority of the minutes on the floor.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 24, 2014 16:13:21 GMT -5
The question is 1. Do you think the 7 man rotation will continue for the rest of the year? 2. Do you think this was a 1-game occurrence and the Marquette game will see a more used rotation...(i.e. include Reggie Cameron)? 1) No. Fouls will demand a bigger rotation. 2) The refs will have a say in it. |
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Post by bmartin on Feb 24, 2014 16:55:38 GMT -5
Luck has nothing to do with who plays. I believe Reggie will continue to get mins. one thing JTIII has done time and time again is change his lineup/minutes and then the next game revert to previous M.O.. BUT he's also nailed players to the bench and not played them much again. (Tyler Crawf. and couple others). So I guess who knows. But I think GU'll need Cameron. It'd be good if he could get in on those late night shooting sessions with DSR and Starks It is called coaching. You play the matchups that are working best in the game you are playing. You don't stick with the script from some previous game or some predetermined minutes for each player. |
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Post by calhoya on Feb 24, 2014 18:30:43 GMT -5
As one who has often criticized JT III for not playing a deeper rotation in the pre-conference schedule, I do not have any problem right now with playing just 7-8. It is not possible to develop players now under the pressure of must-win games. That should have been done earlier and in practice. That said, it would be amazing if the Hoyas can get away with a short rotation in this game coming against Marquette. Playing at their gym with their crowd in a must win game for them, it will not be likely that the Hoyas are going to avoid foul trouble. I assume that Cameron will be needed, if nothing else than to have a credible offensive threat on the floor. I would not be surprised to see the Marquette guards all over Starks and DSR, daring us to score inside. Other options will be needed. I think that the Hoyas are the better team though and with smart play and some tough defense, this should be a win.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 24, 2014 20:06:57 GMT -5
one thing JTIII has done time and time again is change his lineup/minutes and then the next game revert to previous M.O.. BUT he's also nailed players to the bench and not played them much again. (Tyler Crawf. and couple others). So I guess who knows. But I think GU'll need Cameron. It'd be good if he could get in on those late night shooting sessions with DSR and Starks It is called coaching. You play the matchups that are working best in the game you are playing. You don't stick with the script from some previous game or some predetermined minutes for each player. I agree. Sometimes it has seemed that he has stuck to a script a bit too long. When you put it that way, yeah, that's good coaching. But it's not something that he's done consistently which have made those moves seem isolated and a bit strange. But again, I agree. |
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 24, 2014 20:09:33 GMT -5
I think GU will win.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 26, 2014 13:37:26 GMT -5
You never answered the question though... Do u think the rotation will go to 8 against Marquette or stay at 7?? |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 26, 2014 16:20:17 GMT -5
You never answered the question though... Do u think the rotation will go to 8 against Marquette or stay at 7?? As will be the case from here on in, it all depends on a variety of factors, especially foul trouble and offensive success. Reggie gives us little on defense other than a body; he gives us some offense if he is on, but not much if his shot isn't falling. If he is hitting and if our defense is otherwise effective, he will get some minutes; if his defense is hurting us, and/or if Jabril or one of the other smalls has such early foul trouble that we need extra minutes from the bench. And the title of the thread should definitely be changed; "luck" has nothing to do playing time. |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2014 16:40:22 GMT -5
You never answered the question though... Do u think the rotation will go to 8 against Marquette or stay at 7?? TJI, first, for you how many minutes qualifies a player as part of the rotation? |
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Post by This Just In on Feb 26, 2014 16:52:34 GMT -5
You never answered the question though... Do u think the rotation will go to 8 against Marquette or stay at 7?? TJI, first, for you how many minutes qualifies a player as part of the rotation? prhoya... I wanted to say thanks for the warm welcome u gave me a year ago..really appreciate it. Being a part of the rotation would be a player getting minutes while the game is still in doubt. JTIII in the past has stolen minutes with players getting 3 to 5 minutes as part of the rotation...Domingo & Caprio comes to mind. Even Bradley Hayes stole minutes in the 1 game that Moses was suspended for. |
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