hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 25, 2014 0:31:57 GMT -5
He may have had an official press release stating why he was quitting the basketball forum of Hoyatalk but if you look at the timing of when he left, Jan 21, 2013 that just happens to coincide with our big upset of #24 ranked Notre Dame. It also came after DSR's two biggest games as a freshman (the close lose to South Florida 16 pts/6 reb/4ast and then 14 pts against the Irish. So maybe it's a huge coincidence but he left right as DSR picked it up after ranting all season how DSR was not at this level and was garbage. He also left right at the beginning of our 11 game winning streak including the big win at the Carrier Dome. It's just odd that one would leave the board when the Hoyas were winning so it seems more likely that he left because he would have just looked foolish after having already declared that the Hoyas season was finished and that DSR was a garbage player. That might seem more likely to you, Prof, but for someone who has been around the board for a while, you should know that RDF was more opininated than almost any poster, and shared those opinions without hesitation. To think that he would disappear like a shrinking violet 'cause he got something wrong may fit your narrative, but would be contrary to RDF's personae. Somehow I don't think the reasons you stated would drive that particular poster away from an anonymous internet message board. I'll go with coincidence, and agree to disagree on this one. |
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Feb 25, 2014 11:12:01 GMT -5
Yeah RDF leaving was all about dungeon ball. It was in truth a big loss, as the guy knows his basketball.
I'd also posit that the quality of the trolling isn't as good. Now we just get constant railing about how everyone sucks or the team doesn't have enough heart/grit/scrap/Eckstein. There's nothing of the caliber of "self-internal jealousy" anymore. There's nothing like bronxie, who despite Editeding off 70% of the board wasn't ignorant about basketball. It's not just the quality posters that need to up there game. The trolls do too.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 25, 2014 11:33:04 GMT -5
Talk about the worst trade ever. TJI in lieu of RDF is like HoyaTalk's version of Bowie over Jordan. Easily the post of the year so far. |
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Feb 25, 2014 13:37:14 GMT -5
Pretty simple. I've been a member of this board for almost 9 years (can't believe that's possible, but my profile tells me so). After a couple years here, I realized people are more interested in replying to sparring partners and friends than actually talking about the team. I read here often, though now mostly just recruiting. If the 2,000+ post crowd actually interacted with new people (or low post count people), you'd probably see a lot more dialogue, but when you post something on topic and get your post run over by yet another slapfight, you lose interest. Also, in my earlier years, the in game chat rooms were fantastic, but that predated the easy ability to follow games at work on-line. I figure this and Casual will ebb and flow over time; two atmospheres for discussion are a very good thing. Credited. |
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 25, 2014 20:35:52 GMT -5
He may have had an official press release stating why he was quitting the basketball forum of Hoyatalk but if you look at the timing of when he left, Jan 21, 2013 that just happens to coincide with our big upset of #24 ranked Notre Dame. It also came after DSR's two biggest games as a freshman (the close lose to South Florida 16 pts/6 reb/4ast and then 14 pts against the Irish. So maybe it's a huge coincidence but he left right as DSR picked it up after ranting all season how DSR was not at this level and was garbage. He also left right at the beginning of our 11 game winning streak including the big win at the Carrier Dome. It's just odd that one would leave the board when the Hoyas were winning so it seems more likely that he left because he would have just looked foolish after having already declared that the Hoyas season was finished and that DSR was a garbage player. That might seem more likely to you, Prof, but for someone who has been around the board for a while, you should know that RDF was more opininated than almost any poster, and shared those opinions without hesitation. To think that he would disappear like a shrinking violet 'cause he got something wrong may fit your narrative, but would be contrary to RDF's personae. Somehow I don't think the reasons you stated would drive that particular poster away from an anonymous internet message board. I'll go with coincidence, and agree to disagree on this one. This. I still communicate privately with RDF on occasion, and I can assure you that he was happy for the team's success, but had (and I'm sure still has) no intention of going back on his vow to no longer post here. Which on balance, is our loss. His leaving had nothing to do with DSR. Nothing. |
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 26, 2014 8:05:17 GMT -5
Yeah RDF leaving was all about dungeon ball. It was in truth a big loss, as the guy knows his basketball. I'd also posit that the quality of the trolling isn't as good. Now we just get constant railing about how everyone sucks or the team doesn't have enough heart/grit/scrap/Eckstein. There's nothing of the caliber of "self-internal jealousy" anymore. There's nothing like bronxie, who despite Editeding off 70% of the board wasn't ignorant about basketball. It's not just the quality posters that need to up there game. The trolls do too. This is dead on! Good post. |
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 26, 2014 10:02:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the board has really taken a turn for the worse this year. Just in terms of the volume of posts, it's already way down - and if you take into account quality, it's even worse. I've been a loyal follower of hoyatalk for over 12 years, but I really only find value on the recruiting board nowadays. I think many of the fans have moved to places like Casual, or have dropped off conpletely because of the subpar season. This is just wrong. If anything, Casual is the place that is really, really down this year. I love CasualHoya's posts, the rest of his bloggers you can pretty much skip. The number of posts by Casual - which are the goldmine of content over there - has just dropped off a cliff. There are almost never Casual Awards, there are almost never any inside gossip scoops like in years past, and there's almost never any non-Sleeping With the Enemy posts by Casual (Sleeping with the Enemy is pretty much the only must-read over there because of that). Casual is a great writer and I'd wish he had more time or interest to write more. Second - and this doesn't really apply to the post I quoted, but several people have made the observation that the in game posts are down. I don't understand why anyone would judge the quality of the board by in-game posts as some of the people have said. How many "up and in!" or "that was not a foul!" posts do we need? Sure, if you want that, go to Casual, and as a bonus you can get a bunch of animated GIFs. Yipee. But if you truly want to complain about loss of quality, the lack of HoyaProspectus is the biggest loss, and it's not even close. Complaining that you can't read RDF ranting about nonsense 20,000 times compared to stats that actually told you something quantifiable about the team (like Ayegba vs. Hopkins last year) is crazy. The two aren't even remotely comparable - HoyaProspectus was the definition of signal and RDF was pretty much the definition of noise. I really wish Brian would put his scripts up on github so I could tinker with them and try to get them running (if Brian reads this, I can walk you through github if need be). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 10:41:45 GMT -5
I have never been able to understand why some posters make it so personal. This is just college basketball. I have seen threads deteriorate into Editeding contests and that is very depressing. I don't really care how opinionated someone is or how much noise they make as long as there are no personal attacks (on players, staff or other posters). We are all entitled to our opinon, but we shouldn't get so emotionally attached to our point of view that we can't tolerate disagreement.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 26, 2014 10:49:57 GMT -5
Between the loss of some of our more heated rivalries, the realignment of the Big East, the lowered level of performance of the team - I am not surprised that the volume is down. As for quality, it is still there, you just have to wade through the dross to get to it; at the same time, there are only so many ways to say "we need more offense/we need bigs/we need Hayes". When our hopes and expectations are raised next year with the recruits, things will pick up on all levels.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2014 10:59:53 GMT -5
Between the loss of some of our more heated rivalries, the realignment of the Big East, the lowered level of performance of the team - I am not surprised that the volume is down. As for quality, it is still there, you just have to wade through the dross to get to it; at the same time, there are only so many ways to say "we need more offense/we need bigs/we need Hayes". When our hopes and expectations are raised next year with the recruits, things will pick up on all levels. But, we need Hayes now!  |
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 26, 2014 12:52:43 GMT -5
But if you truly want to complain about loss of quality, the lack of HoyaProspectus is the biggest loss, and it's not even close. Complaining that you can't read RDF ranting about nonsense 20,000 times compared to stats that actually told you something quantifiable about the team (like Ayegba vs. Hopkins last year) is crazy. The two aren't even remotely comparable - HoyaProspectus was the definition of signal and RDF was pretty much the definition of noise. I really wish Brian would put his scripts up on github so I could tinker with them and try to get them running (if Brian reads this, I can walk you through github if need be). Amen to this! Really miss that site. |
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 25, 2014 9:30:40 GMT -5
Things I noticed:
1. Our front court players have issues catching bounce passes (gotta be improved)
2. Overall athleticism...front court slow and plodding due to injuries and other issues.
Team lacks lateral defensive quickness to stay in front of players
Team struggles to finish around the rim
Team can be beaten on the defensive glass...gives up crucial boards for put backs vs opponents
3. Overall team height...whether players are playing out of position or other issues this hurts defensively
4. We can play a variety of game tempo's depending on the game..
Looks like opponents offensive capabilities determines the game flow.
5. I now see that we do not run a lot cause the front court players are not the type to get up and down the court at a fast pace...currently
6. Not breaking news...we do not run the Princeton offense anymore ..last night we set high screens a lot so that Starks and DSR could take whatever range jump shot or DSR and Starks would use their dribble to create space for a jump shot (offense needs to be improved)
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 25, 2014 9:57:59 GMT -5
Things I noticed: 1. Our front court players have issues catching bounce passes (gotta be improved) 2. Overall athleticism...front court slow and plodding due to injuries and other issues. Team lacks lateral defensive quickness to stay in front of players Team struggles to finish around the rim Team can be beaten on the defensive glass...gives up crucial boards for put backs vs opponents 3. Overall team height...whether players are playing out of position or other issues this hurts defensively 4. We can play a variety of game tempo's depending on the game.. Looks like opponents offensive capabilities determines the game flow. 5. I now see that we do not run a lot cause the front court players are not the type to get up and down the court at a fast pace...currently 6. Not breaking news...we do not run the Princeton offense anymore ..last night we set high screens a lot so that Starks and DSR could take whatever range jump shot or DSR and Starks would use their dribble to create space for a jump shot (offense needs to be improved) Running more also = more defensive possessions = more opportunities for HAL (Hack-A-Lot) to rack up fouls and spend even fewer minutes on the floor. |
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 26, 2014 22:28:58 GMT -5
Running more also = more defensive possessions = more opportunities for HAL (Hack-A-Lot) to rack up fouls and spend even fewer minutes on the floor. Good observation! Other teams would have been in the bonus quicker than FSU was on Monday. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 27, 2014 8:17:45 GMT -5
Team height is not an issue. Our frontline can be 6'8 and up across the board if we want. FSU has some giants in Ojo & the 7'2 kid and that is an anomaly. in '14, I think we will have the ability to extend that height to our 2 if match-ups warrant. Our main issue has been grades (smith), one probably unexpected early NBA entrant based on his freshman year status(porter), knuckleheadedness (whit), health (adams) and two lackluster recruiting classes in our sophomore & freshman groups. There is your problem. The '14 class appears to be on the path to fixing this but in the future hopefully we will have other early entrants to the NBA as that would denote some serious success, we get rid of the grade & knucklehead issue and we cross our fingers on the health.
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hoyatables
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Post by hoyatables on Mar 27, 2014 19:40:49 GMT -5
Maybe the discussion quality is down because HoyaTalk has jumped the shark . . . .
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