richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 9, 2014 8:55:24 GMT -5
Has Cameron ever been good? He is tauted as a sharp shooter. Seems that he misses more than he takes. If he misses more than he takes we have a story Listen. He's 31% from three and 36% from the field that's not exactly good numbers from a guy that suppose to be a three point specialist. You saw what a three point specialist looks like against butler. I'm sure he will improve and have solid seasons in the future. He has the perfect body type for sure. He'll put it all together.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 9, 2014 9:38:38 GMT -5
I don't know. 31% is actually almost elite-level for this team. Look, right now the ENTIRE team is struggling from the three-point line. No reason to be down on the one player who happens to be a frosh. And , hey, the season isn't over yet; there is still time for him to improve his numbers. But I understand that people want results and therefore one may have questions regarding whether Cameron has "ever been good" in the first place. What I don't get is that I'm sure we have all seen plenty of college basketball in your life to know that the vast majority of freshmen, historically speaking, are nowhere near as good on the court as they end up in the following seasons. So unless one comes in as one of those special types of freshmen, which no one ever figured Cameron to be before he suited up, we have to be patient and not be so dismissive of them simply because they aren't setting the world on fire. I recall shaking my head when people on this very board doubted everything about Markel's game in his freshmen season and even during his sophmore season. What they doubted the most was his ability to play point guard, break the press, make the right decisions. I(and I'm sure I wasn't alone in this) saw a kid who had all the tools to do so and score to boot; others saw a kid who didn't live up to expectations(??) and would have to be recruited over because he wasn't a so-called Big East level guard. I read those comments and started wondering were me and my fellow Hoya fans seeing the same guy? Were people expecting Allen Iverson? As far as Cameron is concerned here are the questions I have for those who have their doubts. Does he have a quick release? Does he appear able to get his shot off against any defense? Does he shoot comfortably from beyond the college three point line? Does his form look good even when he misses? If the answer to all or most of these is "yes" then there's a good chance you will have a really good player going forward. The tools are there, in my opinion at least, for this guy to be as good a three-point shooter as Gtown has ever had. I am encouraged by his display of being able to step in and pull up for a two-point shot or to drive all the way to the hoop. Again he isn't great at that yet either but he is showing signs of being able to do that which will make him less one dimensional going forward.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 9, 2014 11:14:10 GMT -5
If he misses more than he takes we have a story Listen. He's 31% from three and 36% from the field that's not exactly good numbers from a guy that suppose to be a three point specialist. You saw what a three point specialist looks like against butler. I'm sure he will improve and have solid seasons in the future. He has the perfect body type for sure. He'll put it all together. C'mon richfame I wasn't questioning your main point, he has certainly struggled. But misses more than he takes? Made me chuckle, I haven't heard that one before.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 9, 2014 14:37:10 GMT -5
I am just happy that we are finding other ways to win when the 3's are not falling. Both Starks and DSR are versatile scorers. We do need to find a shooter that is deadly from beyond the arc--I would agree with that. Hopefully, Cameron will get into his groove.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 9, 2014 14:45:20 GMT -5
I don't know. 31% is actually almost elite-level for this team. Look, right now the ENTIRE team is struggling from the three-point line. No reason to be down on the one player who happens to be a frosh. And , hey, the season isn't over yet; there is still time for him to improve his numbers. But I understand that people want results and therefore one may have questions regarding whether Cameron has "ever been good" in the first place. What I don't get is that I'm sure we have all seen plenty of college basketball in your life to know that the vast majority of freshmen, historically speaking, are nowhere near as good on the court as they end up in the following seasons. So unless one comes in as one of those special types of freshmen, which no one ever figured Cameron to be before he suited up, we have to be patient and not be so dismissive of them simply because they aren't setting the world on fire. I recall shaking my head when people on this very board doubted everything about Markel's game in his freshmen season and even during his sophmore season. What they doubted the most was his ability to play point guard, break the press, make the right decisions. I(and I'm sure I wasn't alone in this) saw a kid who had all the tools to do so and score to boot; others saw a kid who didn't live up to expectations(??) and would have to be recruited over because he wasn't a so-called Big East level guard. I read those comments and started wondering were me and my fellow Hoya fans seeing the same guy? Were people expecting Allen Iverson? As far as Cameron is concerned here are the questions I have for those who have their doubts. Does he have a quick release? Does he appear able to get his shot off against any defense? Does he shoot comfortably from beyond the college three point line? Does his form look good even when he misses? If the answer to all or most of these is "yes" then there's a good chance you will have a really good player going forward. The tools are there, in my opinion at least, for this guy to be as good a three-point shooter as Gtown has ever had. I am encouraged by his display of being able to step in and pull up for a two-point shot or to drive all the way to the hoop. Again he isn't great at that yet either but he is showing signs of being able to do that which will make him less one dimensional going forward. I agree. The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores. I believe Cameron will grow into an extremely effective player for us as his career progresses, based on what I have seen thus far.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Feb 9, 2014 14:54:57 GMT -5
Now is not the time to sit Cameron. He needs the experience in tight games. Why waste this opportunity to develop this kid into a more complete player.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 9, 2014 15:29:40 GMT -5
Listen. He's 31% from three and 36% from the field that's not exactly good numbers from a guy that suppose to be a three point specialist. You saw what a three point specialist looks like against butler. I'm sure he will improve and have solid seasons in the future. He has the perfect body type for sure. He'll put it all together. C'mon richfame I wasn't questioning your main point, he has certainly struggled. But misses more than he takes? Made me chuckle, I haven't heard that one before. Your right it was a pretty funny(stupid) line. Let call it a richfame-ism(instead of a Yogi-ism ) ha.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 9, 2014 15:32:53 GMT -5
Now is not the time to sit Cameron. He needs the experience in tight games. Why waste this opportunity to develop this kid into a more complete player. I agree with this 100%. I notice 3 losing him on the bench especially come the second half. Im not just talking about starting Bowen in the second half because I thought that was a good move just regularly in the past 3-4 games his minutes seem to be a lot less than the first half.. The kid looks like he can be a threat in the next three years. For our program to succeed we need to find the best 3-4 year athletes. We are not going to get the 1 and done. Cameron can be the perfect player for us.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 9, 2014 17:25:18 GMT -5
I think that because of Reggie's defensive liabilities, III tends to sit him for long stretches if he misses a few shots early, because he has not yet shown the ability to turn it around. Once he improves on that, and strengthens his D, he will spend less time on the pine.
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gujake
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Post by gujake on Feb 9, 2014 19:40:37 GMT -5
There's a lot of variance in three point shooting too, and it's been a very small sample size so far. If Reggie had hit just a couple more of his threes he'd be ahead of Starks in %, for example.
I would be shocked if his percentage doesn't go up quite a bit going forward. He has terrific form.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 9, 2014 19:45:15 GMT -5
Cameron has a good defensive mind and does some good things; just need to work the speed of the game out...
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 9, 2014 20:15:42 GMT -5
We go through this with every freshman every year.
Defense comes slow because:
a. It's a team game and you need to learn your role in the existing defense so less translates from hs b. Things like footwork and spacing are super important and are rarely effectively taught in hs
Remember when DSR was such a horrible defensive liability that he should sit all the time?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 9, 2014 20:40:19 GMT -5
We go through this with every freshman every year. Defense comes slow because: a. It's a team game and you need to learn your role in the existing defense so less translates from hs b. Things like footwork and spacing are super important and are rarely effectively taught in hs Remember when DSR was such a horrible defensive liability that he should sit all the time? I think Markel had some problems as a freshman as well.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 9, 2014 23:04:23 GMT -5
Good win for Georgetown...and 4th consecutive win. Which win did I miss?No. You are right, only 3 in a row... But Monday will be 4 in a row...got ahead of myself... Good times my friend good times.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 10, 2014 0:10:08 GMT -5
About Reggie Cameron:
For a player who is starting his production has not been steady..
0/4 from the 3pt line the last 2 games...maybe against Providence he will hit one
It looks to me like Cameron and Domingo have the same lateral quickness
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2014 11:55:21 GMT -5
Which win did I miss? No. You are right, only 3 in a row... But Monday will be 4 in a row...got ahead of myself... Good times my friend good times. You are a prophet, mi amigo!
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