Why is DSR so much better than Syracuse?

[GIGAFAN99]

I can't find the DSR player thread, mainly because he's so consistently good that nobody comments in it. But let's just talk about how injured, completely out of rhythm on his shot, DSR leads the team in boards Saturday then turns around and goes 11-11 at the line, 2 blocks, zero turnovers in the Depaul win. That's 23-24 since struggling with the rib injury all while playing great defense and pounding the glass from the guard spot. Can't say enough about the complete player he's becoming.

[DanMcQ]

There is one here:

hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/27512/dsr-noticed

and his BE Honor Roll thread here:

hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/565649

... But props on the thread title.

[TBird41]

I mean, there's a good chance he could finish his career with 2000 points, 500 rebounds, 250 assists and 100 steals. Only Reggie Williams has ever stuffed a stat sheet like that.

Not to mention that, unless he plays some time at center this year (a shockingly realistic possibility), he'll likely finish his career with more rebounds than any guard to every play for the Hoyas that hasn't started at Center (It doesn't look like he'll catch Perry McDonald, who is listed as G/F). So, he scores like Austin Freeman and rebounds like Perry McDonald. Clearly "Buttercup" is a good nickname for him. SMDH.

He's also going to be the 8th underclassman to score 500 points in a season (Iverson, Page, Sweetney, Porter, Monroe, Sleepy Floyd, and Ewing).

[FrazierFanatic]

Too slow, too short, can't get his shot off in traffic, can't play defense, suspect handle.

[Talos]

Feb 4, 2014 11:20:39 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Too slow, too short, can't get his shot off in traffic, can't play defense, suspect handle.

I know you're being sarcastic, but some of those criticisms can be valid at times....which makes it all the more impressive how productive he is.  I have tremendous respect for someone without the size or athletic gifts of many other high-major players, but consistently beats better athletes with heart, toughness, skill, composure, and a high basketball IQ.  You can only hope that his example rubs off on some of his teammates...

[Deleted]

He’s a stud… He still has a suspect handle and his defense isn’t the best due to limited athleticism but he knows how to get it done..

Really sees and thinks the game well. Very impressed with DSR over this slumpand his dedication to contribute in other areas. Also didn’t take being benched any type of way. Stepped up and hit his FT’s when called upon..

[Boz]

I agree that DSR has not taken being benched in any kind of way. But that's possibly because he hasn't actually been "benched" in any meaningful sense of the word.

He's still starting, and he's still played 30+ minutes in each of the last several games.

He's just not in all the time.

[757hoyafan]

Feb 4, 2014 11:30:00 GMT -5 Talos said:

Feb 4, 2014 11:20:39 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Too slow, too short, can't get his shot off in traffic, can't play defense, suspect handle.

I know you're being sarcastic, but some of those criticisms can be valid at times....which makes it all the more impressive how productive he is.  I have tremendous respect for someone without the size or athletic gifts of many other high-major players, but consistently beats better athletes with heart, toughness, skill, composure, and a high basketball IQ.  You can only hope that his example rubs off on some of his teammates...

He's repeating what some of our fans were saying..

[Loyal Hoya]

Love how he dribbles in with the trees, stops, pivots, and gets a good shot off.

He is our best rebounding guard since.... Jessie Sapp? Bobby Winston?

[rockhoya]

Better than them

[TBird41]

Feb 4, 2014 13:27:23 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

Love how he dribbles in with the trees, stops, pivots, and gets a good shot off.

He is our best rebounding guard since.... Jessie Sapp? Bobby Winston?

Jason Clark.

Perry McDonald is the only Gtown guard to crack 500 rebounds for his career. Going by their position listing on HoyaBasketball.com, the next four guards with the most career rebounds are Joey Brown, Kevin Braswell, Jason Clark and Dale Smith (1955-57).

[Loyal Hoya]

I guess it depends how you measure it. I was thinking of Perry McDonald as a forward, but if we consider him a guard, he must be the best rebounding guard in Hoya history.

Measured by rebounds per 40 minutes, here are how some of our guards stack up:

Perry McDonald G/F: 8.36
Bobby Winston: 6.44 (with many fewer total minutes than the rest)
Fred Brown: 5.78
Jessie Sapp: 5.38
Devauntes Smith-Rivera 5.10
Jason Clark 4.92

[TBird41]

Feb 4, 2014 14:44:04 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

I guess it depends how you measure it. I was thinking of Perry McDonald as a forward, but if we consider him a guard, he must be the best rebounding guard in Hoya history.

Measured by rebounds per 40 minutes, here are how some of our guards stack up:

Perry McDonald G/F: 8.36
Bobby Winston: 6.44 (with many fewer total minutes than the rest)
Fred Brown: 5.78
Jessie Sapp: 5.38
Devauntes Smith-Rivera 5.10
Jason Clark 4.92

Right. Perry McDonald is listed as a G/F on Hoyabasketball.com, so that's what I went with. Didn't think to do a per 40 breakdown. Thanks for putting that together.

Also, I just noticed that Joey Brown is listed as having 497 rebounds on the top 100 rebounders list, but only 390 on the players page.
hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-top100rebounds.htm

hoyabasketball.com/players/alltime-b.htm

[Deleted]

Feb 4, 2014 12:59:37 GMT -5 Boz said:

I agree that DSR has not taken being benched in any kind of way. But that's possibly because he hasn't actually been "benched" in any meaningful sense of the word.

He's still starting, and he's still played 30+ minutes in each of the last several games.

He's just not in all the time.

Not being on the floor during crunchtime against the #7 team in the nation would hurt more to me than not starting a game… If I was a star player

[Filo]

Feb 4, 2014 14:54:57 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Feb 4, 2014 14:44:04 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

I guess it depends how you measure it. I was thinking of Perry McDonald as a forward, but if we consider him a guard, he must be the best rebounding guard in Hoya history.

Measured by rebounds per 40 minutes, here are how some of our guards stack up:

Perry McDonald G/F: 8.36
Bobby Winston: 6.44 (with many fewer total minutes than the rest)
Fred Brown: 5.78
Jessie Sapp: 5.38
Devauntes Smith-Rivera 5.10
Jason Clark 4.92

Right. Perry McDonald is listed as a G/F on Hoyabasketball.com, so that's what I went with. Didn't think to do a per 40 breakdown. Thanks for putting that together.

Also, I just noticed that Joey Brown is listed as having 497 rebounds on the top 100 rebounders list, but only 390 on the players page.
hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-top100rebounds.htm

hoyabasketball.com/players/alltime-b.htm

Sorry to hijack, but there is no way I would consider Perry to be a guard. Can't remember him ever playing guard, and he sometimes played center.

[Loyal Hoya]

Feb 4, 2014 20:28:05 GMT -5 Filo said:

Feb 4, 2014 14:54:57 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-top100rebounds.htm

hoyabasketball.com/players/alltime-b.htm

Sorry to hijack, but there is no way I would consider Perry to be a guard. Can't remember him ever playing guard, and he sometimes played center.

As I said, I think of him as a forward. I also remember him playing center on the Reggie and the Miracles team. I think he played guard as a freshman. Going back to my original post,my recollection of Jessie Sapp and Bobby Winston as two of the best rebounding guards was not half bad. In any case, the point is that DSR is in elite company.

[detmut]

Feb 4, 2014 20:28:05 GMT -5 Filo said:

Feb 4, 2014 14:54:57 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Right. Perry McDonald is listed as a G/F on Hoyabasketball.com, so that's what I went with. Didn't think to do a per 40 breakdown. Thanks for putting that together.

Also, I just noticed that Joey Brown is listed as having 497 rebounds on the top 100 rebounders list, but only 390 on the players page.
hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-top100rebounds.htm

hoyabasketball.com/players/alltime-b.htm

Sorry to hijack, but there is no way I would consider Perry to be a guard. Can't remember him ever playing guard, and he sometimes played center.

"The key to McDonald's resurgence was a change in position. McDonald spent much of his two years as a reserve at shooting guard, which did not suit his skills as a scorer and rebounder. In 1986-87, with David Wingate having graduated and a noticeable gap alongside Reggie Williams at forward, McDonald moved to the frontcourt and was an immediate impact. He broke his career scoring mark in the opening game of the season with 17 points, and proceeded to score in double figures in 30 of 34 games. Despite being only 6-4, he led the team in rebounding nine times and averaged 16.3 points per game in Big East play.

Despite having played the most games in Georgetown history (133) without a single foul out and averaging only 1.29 fouls per game, Perry McDonald was not a timid basketball player. A two time state Golden Gloves champion, he could defend himself when provoked and most players knew it. Late in the season, though, Pitt's Jerome Lane tangled with McDonald on the verge of the Panthers' upset win over the Hoyas, and McDonald promptly dispatched Lane into press row, setting off a notable brawl between the teams in the final four seconds of the game. In the 1988 off-season, NCAA Rule 19 established a one game suspension for any on-court fight and a season long suspension for any second violation during the year. The rule has virtually eliminated any such scuffles since then."

[hoopsmccan]

Feb 4, 2014 21:56:05 GMT -5 detmut said:

Feb 4, 2014 20:28:05 GMT -5 Filo said:

Sorry to hijack, but there is no way I would consider Perry to be a guard. Can't remember him ever playing guard, and he sometimes played center.

"The key to McDonald's resurgence was a change in position. McDonald spent much of his two years as a reserve at shooting guard, which did not suit his skills as a scorer and rebounder. In 1986-87, with David Wingate having graduated and a noticeable gap alongside Reggie Williams at forward, McDonald moved to the frontcourt and was an immediate impact. He broke his career scoring mark in the opening game of the season with 17 points, and proceeded to score in double figures in 30 of 34 games. Despite being only 6-4, he led the team in rebounding nine times and averaged 16.3 points per game in Big East play.

Despite having played the most games in Georgetown history (133) without a single foul out and averaging only 1.29 fouls per game, Perry McDonald was not a timid basketball player. A two time state Golden Gloves champion, he could defend himself when provoked and most players knew it. Late in the season, though, Pitt's Jerome Lane tangled with McDonald on the verge of the Panthers' upset win over the Hoyas, and McDonald promptly dispatched Lane into press row, setting off a notable brawl between the teams in the final four seconds of the game. In the 1988 off-season, NCAA Rule 19 established a one game suspension for any on-court fight and a season long suspension for any second violation during the year. The rule has virtually eliminated any such scuffles since then."

Perry was one of my favorite players growing up, though my recollection is that he didn't have a strong senior year. Half way through the year, CBS stopped using his picture in teasers to promote G'town games and switched to Smith.

hm

[swhoya]

Sorry if this has been discussed more elsewhere, but I can't find it. Do we know the exact nature of the rib injury at all? During the Depaul game the commentators (oh my god they were awful) kept going on about his slump, but not a word about whether he's been injured.

Someone above mentioned that he's taken being "benched" well. I'm a bit skeptical that he's been benched, in the normal sense of the word. I'm not sure he's in a slump, but is just hurting more than we know. A slump can happen, but sitting him on the bench during key times makes no sense, and is out of character for III in the first place. Yes, his shot has been off, but he's a proven scorer on a team that lacks shooters (or people even willing to put up a shot). Why would you take away one of your top scoring options just because he's not shooting as well...when you don't have a viable option to replace him with? And when it's a slump, you're just a shot away from breaking out of it. Only way it makes sense to me is if III knows he just flat out wasn't capable of contributing down the stretch.

I admit it's mostly conjecture, but I suspect we should appreciate what he's doing more than we know. The rib injuries I've had made it impossible to carry a backpack, much less to try and go up for a rebound knowing there's a chance I'm going to get whacked by a 6'10" giant.

[bmartin]

He wasn't benched against Michigan State in any real sense of the word. With Jabril back, he played "only" 30 minutes instead of 35 but he was in the game at the end getting rebounds and shooting free throws.