TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 29, 2005 18:38:28 GMT -5
I want a powerhouse, national championship contender. If the University continues to build it's instutional support for the program, I don't see why we won't get it. JT3 is definately a good enough coach to create a national contender ala Coach K and Calhoun.
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 29, 2005 18:40:22 GMT -5
I think you're confusing expectations and goals. Who wants to have a long, semantic debate on the subject? ;D
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 29, 2005 18:42:59 GMT -5
Personally, when I set a goal, I expect to accomplish it. And I expect the same attitude out of Georgetown ;D
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 29, 2005 18:45:58 GMT -5
Oh, bloody mary. As to your point, TBird, we won a national championship with arguably less institutional support in 1984. Surely we can do it again with this level of support, otherwise JT3 would not have taken the job. He's smart enough to recognize that GU can have a serious basketball program in spite of limited game-ready on-campus facilities.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 30, 2005 0:58:51 GMT -5
I had to make a tough decision between "NCAA 3 out 4 years, some deeper runs" and "Assumed NCAA team, national contender at times." I ended up going with the latter, just because I want us to aim high. Aiming higher than that, i.e. asking for a Duke or Kentucky level program at this point, is a bit too much considering where we are right now.
Nevertheless, I don't see why JT III can't build us into a program like Stanford or Arizona that is always in the national picture, and every so often is a contender for the big prize. It'll take a while, but I think that is the ultimate goal, to have a stable, competitive program like that. But right now, I'm hoping JT III can just bring us consistently to the NCAA Tournament starting next year and get us to win a few games there. If a Georgetown coach can't do that, then I think that warrants regime change. Those should be the standards.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 30, 2005 8:34:16 GMT -5
The 3 out of 4 years option seems right to me, but I'd go into a bit more detail.
Every 3 out of 4 years, the team should make the NCAAs and should always qualify for the NIT in the other year. Not qualifying for the NIT would warrant a pretty darned good explanation (like four freak injuries to starters).
1 out of four years, the team should make the Sweet 16.
1 out of eight years (two recruiting cycles), the team should make the Elite 8 and do so as a high seed.
I hate to wade into the Goals/Expectations thing...but these are my minimal expectations for the program...already taking into account injuries and transfers.
The goal, of course, is to win the National Championship and get to Final Fours. I just don't think you can consider a coach an abject failure (Eddie Sutton?) if he doesn't do that, since there's no small amount of luck involved. Essentially, at a minimum, I'd expect that once a decade, the team is a realistic competitor for the national championship.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 30, 2005 9:39:12 GMT -5
I'm a category 6.
"Let's make the NCAA tournament once and then start talking about how many times we'll be back"
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Post by This Just In on Dec 22, 2015 10:07:30 GMT -5
Interesting, thread....
10 years later there is still debate about Georgetown's long-term expectations and direction of the program.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 22, 2015 10:10:07 GMT -5
Interesting, thread.... 10 years later there is still debate about Georgetown's long-term expectations and direction of the program. Weird, people have different opinions... |
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Post by lucky on Dec 22, 2015 10:13:14 GMT -5
I can't see the poll??
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Post by This Just In on Dec 22, 2015 10:16:39 GMT -5
Interesting, thread.... 10 years later there is still debate about Georgetown's long-term expectations and direction of the program. Weird, people have different opinions... I would argue that there was a 5 year hiatus of a difference of opinions... From 2005-2010 at the bare minium |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 22, 2015 10:25:03 GMT -5
Recruit a 7'2" center from Congo...or from Algiers, Louisiana (is Nick Nolte available as an assistant coach???) and my expectations are pretty darn high.
Otherwise, I want the Hoyas to run a CLEAN program, go hard after the best recruits and land kids who want to play for Georgetown, compete like the darn Super Bowl every game, fight for every rebound and loose ball, and make Hoya paranoia mean something again. Everything else is gravy to me.
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Post by hilltopper2000 on Dec 22, 2015 10:26:03 GMT -5
"I don't see why JT III can't build us into a program like Stanford or Arizona that is always in the national picture"
- Arizona is a good model, I think. Is Stanford always in the national picture? I have never viewed that as a program on Georgetown's level.
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Post by hoyajinx on Dec 22, 2015 10:37:09 GMT -5
"I don't see why JT III can't build us into a program like Stanford or Arizona that is always in the national picture" - Arizona is a good model, I think. Is Stanford always in the national picture? I have never viewed that as a program on Georgetown's level. At the time of this thread's creation, Stanford was just a few years removed from a couple of deep tourney runs and was in the midst of a long string of NCAA appearances. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Dec 22, 2015 10:37:10 GMT -5
Recruit a 7'2" center from Congo...or from Algiers, Louisiana (is Nick Nolte available as an assistant coach???) and my expectations are pretty darn high. Otherwise, I want the Hoyas to run a CLEAN program, go hard after the best recruits and land kids who want to play for Georgetown, compete like the darn Super Bowl every game, fight for every rebound and loose ball, and make Hoya paranoia mean something again. Everything else is gravy to me. I would like to see JTIII also recruit outside of the top 100. Time and time again we get beat by quicker guards or better shooters. Maybe we need to tone down expectations of highly-recruited guards and get some guy who can complement our point-forward system. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 22, 2015 10:38:28 GMT -5
Recruit a 7'2" center from Congo...or from Algiers, Louisiana (is Nick Nolte available as an assistant coach???) and my expectations are pretty darn high. Otherwise, I want the Hoyas to run a CLEAN program, go hard after the best recruits and land kids who want to play for Georgetown, compete like the darn Super Bowl every game, fight for every rebound and loose ball, and make Hoya paranoia mean something again. Everything else is gravy to me. I would like to see JTIII also recruit outside of the top 100. Time and time again we get beat by quicker guards or better shooters. Maybe we need to tone down expectations of highly-recruited guards and get some guy who can complement our point-forward system. The problem is when they don't pan out, then you're stuck with a perennial bench warmer. Maybe if JT3 were the coach to run players off it could be doable but otherwise, that's how you end up with a roster full of players that cant hang with the elite. |
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Dec 22, 2015 10:58:07 GMT -5
I list my expectations based on the way the university markets the basketball team and the expectation the hoop club has in terms of donations/ cost of tickets.
The Hoyas should be a top 40 team every year, consistently making the NCAA tournament, with occasional deep runs into March. And by occasional, I don't mean once every 10 years.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 22, 2015 11:09:38 GMT -5
I would like to see JTIII also recruit outside of the top 100. Time and time again we get beat by quicker guards or better shooters. Maybe we need to tone down expectations of highly-recruited guards and get some guy who can complement our point-forward system. The problem is when they don't pan out, then you're stuck with a perennial bench warmer. Maybe if JT3 were the coach to run players off it could be doable but otherwise, that's how you end up with a roster full of players that cant hang with the elite. JTIII has ran players off.. Jerrelle Benimon, Brandon Bolden, Vee Sanford, Stephen Domingo, Vernon Macklin... Nikita Mescheriakov, Jeremiah Rivers, Omar Wattad, Octavius Spann, Josh Thorton, Marc Egerson, Ray Reed, RaMell Ross, Matt Causey among others That is enough for a starting 5 and and reserves to fill up a roster. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 22, 2015 11:29:25 GMT -5
The problem is when they don't pan out, then you're stuck with a perennial bench warmer. Maybe if JT3 were the coach to run players off it could be doable but otherwise, that's how you end up with a roster full of players that cant hang with the elite. JTIII has ran players off.. Jerrelle Benimon, Brandon Bolden, Vee Sanford, Stephen Domingo, Vernon Macklin... Nikita Mescheriakov, Jeremiah Rivers, Omar Wattad, Octavius Spann, Josh Thorton, Marc Egerson, Ray Reed, RaMell Ross, Matt Causey among others That is enough for a starting 5 and and reserves to fill up a roster. There is a difference between running a player off and a player searching for PT (or other issues) they think they deserve elsewhere. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 22, 2015 11:30:28 GMT -5
The problem is when they don't pan out, then you're stuck with a perennial bench warmer. Maybe if JT3 were the coach to run players off it could be doable but otherwise, that's how you end up with a roster full of players that cant hang with the elite. JTIII has ran players off.. Jerrelle Benimon, Brandon Bolden, Vee Sanford, Stephen Domingo, Vernon Macklin... Nikita Mescheriakov, Jeremiah Rivers, Omar Wattad, Octavius Spann, Josh Thorton, Marc Egerson, Ray Reed, RaMell Ross, Matt Causey among others That is enough for a starting 5 and and reserves to fill up a roster. So by your definition, "run players off" means any player who transferred for any reason? |
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