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Post by rockhoya on Feb 11, 2015 8:45:22 GMT -5
The Big men are consistently getting in foul trouble. Bradley Hayes need to get more time. Not sure why he doesn't play. Copeland got a chance, got some confidence and has been on a role ever since. Give the Kid a chance to get some confidence. He doesn't play because he's not good enough to play. Enough already...
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Post by dense on Feb 11, 2015 8:57:09 GMT -5
Anyone who saw last night's game and says Hayes should be getting more time need to just say I don't watch anything but the ball in games. He was terrible last night. Now does that mean he will always be terrible. No! He still is a several steps slow in reacting on defense which make him unplayable.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2015 9:10:24 GMT -5
3 to 5 minutes, yes. Bradley looks mechanical in his movements in the halfcourt, instead of flowing/natural. It's like his mind is saying "now, go to that spot", and he's waiting for the next command, instead of doing it naturally. That may be a symptom of not getting any minutes and then not wanting to screw up, of playing tight. But, for a big, he looks good running the court. So, who knows what would happen if he gets those mpg and feels more comfortable. At least Josh and Hops are not picking up fouls for those minutes.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 11, 2015 9:13:49 GMT -5
PR- you articulated my position well. With a little more time, Hayes ought to get more comfortable, and as long as the other team does not go on a 10-0 run during those 3-5 (2-3?) minutes, the inability of Smith and Hopkins to pick up fouls while sitting (so far...the refs may come up with a way to call Josh for a foul while walking to the scorer's table) is huge.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 11, 2015 9:14:10 GMT -5
The Big men are consistently getting in foul trouble. Bradley Hayes need to get more time. Not sure why he doesn't play. Copeland got a chance, got some confidence and has been on a role ever since. Give the Kid a chance to get some confidence. He doesn't play because he's not good enough to play. Enough already... obviously. i'm still a hayes guy. there were supposed to be "plans" for him this year. we'll see if he's on the team next year. tell you what, if III force fed minutes to hayes like he has hopkins at center hayes would be at least a viable back up by now. some players just need to play; III doesn't work that way (except with hopkins)
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 11, 2015 9:15:34 GMT -5
3 to 5 minutes, yes. Bradley looks mechanical in his movements in the halfcourt, instead of flowing/natural. It's like his mind is saying "now, go to that spot", and he's waiting for the next command, instead of doing it naturally. That may be a symptom of not getting any minutes and then not wanting to screw up, of playing tight. But, for a big, he looks good running the court. So, who knows what would happen if he gets those mpg and feels more comfortable. At least Josh and Hops are not picking up fouls for those minutes. this is what i've been saying for 2 years; hayes is like RGIII, he's a confidence guy. He needs minutes and when he makes 1 good play, he's fine.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2015 9:15:36 GMT -5
PR- you articulated my position well. With a little more time, Hayes ought to get more comfortable, and as long as the other team does not go on a 10-0 run during those 3-5 (2-3?) minutes, the inability of Smith and Hopkins to pick up fouls while sitting (so far...the refs may come up with a way to call Josh for a foul while walking to the scorer's table) is huge. They called it on Monroe. It can happen.
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Post by dense on Feb 11, 2015 9:43:03 GMT -5
Hopkins for all his offensive faults plays amazing defense. People on this board seems to forget that all the time because of his offensive problems. Hopkins was the starting center on a big east championship team. He is light years ahead of Hayes. Our best stretch last night came with him at center.
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Post by Locker on Feb 11, 2015 9:51:20 GMT -5
Hopkins for all his offensive faults plays amazing defense. People on this board seems to forget that all the time because of his offensive problems. Hopkins was the starting center on a big east championship team. He is light years ahead of Hayes. Our best stretch last night came with him at center. Not fouling is a component of good defense.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 11, 2015 10:12:07 GMT -5
I put part of Hayes not being ready on JTIII.....it is called development. Getting playing time on occasion is part of being developed. I know board posters joke about the conversation about the 3rd string center, but some of us were hardly Nostradamus to imagine an important game in which Smith and Hopkins were both in foul trouble. It worked out last night, but don't tell me as we watched both Smith and Hopkins play 1st half minutes with significant foul trouble that everyone wasn't wondering if we would even have a big available in the 2nd half against Seton Hall.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 11, 2015 10:16:09 GMT -5
3 to 5 minutes, yes. Bradley looks mechanical in his movements in the halfcourt, instead of flowing/natural. It's like his mind is saying "now, go to that spot", and he's waiting for the next command, instead of doing it naturally. That may be a symptom of not getting any minutes and then not wanting to screw up, of playing tight. But, for a big, he looks good running the court. So, who knows what would happen if he gets those mpg and feels more comfortable. At least Josh and Hops are not picking up fouls for those minutes. It's too late in the year to give "development/confidence" minutes to kids, I'd rather see White or Copeland man the 5.. The run to March is on and the playing time bus is full IMHO.. I've Been a big play Hayes guy over the last year but honestly the folks in front of him are productive unlike last season when Moses saw a lot of time.. The competition for next season will be wide open so he still has a chance to make his mark..
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 11, 2015 11:16:52 GMT -5
You do realize Hayes stood at the top of the key a whole offensive possession because he didn't know where he was supposed to go don't you? Then air balled a layup. I'm all for giving kids chances and with his size and fluidity of movement he could be a valuable asset. However, there's more to it then just running up and down the court. This is not meant to bash him, but objectively. The kids not ready.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 11, 2015 11:26:12 GMT -5
I put part of Hayes not being ready on JTIII.....it is called development. Getting playing time on occasion is part of being developed. I know board posters joke about the conversation about the 3rd string center, but some of us were hardly Nostradamus to imagine an important game in which Smith and Hopkins were both in foul trouble. It worked out last night, but don't tell me as we watched both Smith and Hopkins play 1st half minutes with significant foul trouble that everyone wasn't wondering if we would even have a big available in the 2nd half against Seton Hall. You can do plenty of developing in practice. I think JTIII sees everyday what we saw in those few minutes. That Hayes is simply nowhere near ready to play meaningful minutes. For a guy his size, Hayes does not really rim protect at all. I think Trey is already a much better shot blocker and inside presence.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 11, 2015 11:38:59 GMT -5
The Big men are consistently getting in foul trouble. Bradley Hayes need to get more time. Not sure why he doesn't play. Copeland got a chance, got some confidence and has been on a role ever since. Give the Kid a chance to get some confidence. He doesn't play because he's not good enough to play. Enough already... Give me they plays that he did that was so terrible. In the 3 mins that he play. Tell me what plays was so terrible that compares to the stupid fouls and lazy play that doesn't allow him to play more than 25 mins a game. Oh I know the 6 missed free throws that cost the team a victory @ Providence. His ability to inbound the ball after a timeout. Oh yea he was part of that 12 point collapse. Please tell me which terrible play are you talking about with Bradley. So terrible in 3 mins. Don't want to take minutes from the great finisher Hopkins.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 11, 2015 11:48:43 GMT -5
He doesn't play because he's not good enough to play. Enough already... obviously. i'm still a hayes guy. there were supposed to be "plans" for him this year. we'll see if he's on the team next year. tell you what, if III force fed minutes to hayes like he has hopkins at center hayes would be at least a viable back up by now. some players just need to play; III doesn't work that way (except with hopkins) Totally Agree!!!! Just let the kid try to get some confidence. 3 minutes is not enough. There is know way I can believe Josh work harder than anybody on the team to deserve the amount of time he gets.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 11, 2015 11:51:49 GMT -5
3 to 5 minutes, yes. Bradley looks mechanical in his movements in the halfcourt, instead of flowing/natural. It's like his mind is saying "now, go to that spot", and he's waiting for the next command, instead of doing it naturally. That may be a symptom of not getting any minutes and then not wanting to screw up, of playing tight. But, for a big, he looks good running the court. So, who knows what would happen if he gets those mpg and feels more comfortable. At least Josh and Hops are not picking up fouls for those minutes. this is what i've been saying for 2 years; hayes is like RGIII, he's a confidence guy. He needs minutes and when he makes 1 good play, he's fine. This is what i am saying as well. Copeland minutes had dwindle until the game winner and now he is playing lights out. Sometimes that 1 play gives you that boost to just play instead of looking over your shoulder waiting to be pulled the first time you makes a mistake.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2015 11:52:13 GMT -5
What is the justification for this idea that a player needs game minutes to improve? I understand that playing in a game is different than practice, but it's not going to magically transform a below-average player into a solid contributor. I just do not understand the notion that only if Bradley Hayes got 3-5 minutes a game, he'd be so much better prepared to play? Hopkins is actually a great example of this. He's played a ton of minutes and his offense has not improved much of the last 4 years. Based on the logic of the Hayes advocates, Hopkins' minutes should have transformed him into a beast right now.
The fact is that most of Hayes' playing time comes in practice, which means we do not see it. Does anybody seriously think that if Hayes was showing promise in practice, that John Thompson III would hurt the team and its success by keeping him on the bench? Of course not. Thus, the only logical conclusion is that Hayes has not shown enough ability in practice to warrant playing time. Hayes' play last night confirmed the fact that he's not ready for prime time. He seemed clueless on offense, and he was not much better defensively.
No matter who the coaching staff is, you cannot transform a player who doesn't have the innate skill to improve. Hayes came in as a project and he seems to still be a project. Maybe he'll have a nice jump and give us a solid contribution next year, but at this point, I think he's unlikely to ever see a ton of time given the incoming class.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2015 11:53:34 GMT -5
Totally Agree!!!! Just let the kid try to get some confidence. 3 minutes is not enough. There is know way I can believe Josh work harder than anybody on the team to deserve the amount of time he gets. Whether Josh works "harder" than Hayes really doesn't matter. The fact is, Josh is a substantially better basketball player than Hayes, and that's why he plays a lot. Saying you want Hayes to get more than 3 minutes is basically saying you want us to intentionally play a weaker player when we have better ones on the bench. That makes no sense.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2015 11:56:20 GMT -5
this is what i've been saying for 2 years; hayes is like RGIII, he's a confidence guy. He needs minutes and when he makes 1 good play, he's fine. What is the basis for this opinion? Unless you know Hayes and/or the coaching staff, this seems like speculation based on nothing. Hayes' problem is skill and execution, not confidence.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 11, 2015 11:59:48 GMT -5
What is the justification for this idea that a player needs game minutes to improve? I understand that playing in a game is different than practice, but it's not going to magically transform a below-average player into a solid contributor. I just do not understand the notion that only if Bradley Hayes got 3-5 minutes a game, he'd be so much better prepared to play? Hopkins is actually a great example of this. He's played a ton of minutes and his offense has not improved much of the last 4 years. Based on the logic of the Hayes advocates, Hopkins' minutes should have transformed him into a beast right now. The fact is that most of Hayes' playing time comes in practice, which means we do not see it. Does anybody seriously think that if Hayes was showing promise in practice, that John Thompson III would hurt the team and its success by keeping him on the bench? Of course not. Thus, the only logical conclusion is that Hayes has not shown enough ability in practice to warrant playing time. Hayes' play last night confirmed the fact that he's not ready for prime time. He seemed clueless on offense, and he was not much better defensively. No matter who the coaching staff is, you cannot transform a player who doesn't have the innate skill to improve. Hayes came in as a project and he seems to still be a project. Maybe he'll have a nice jump and give us a solid contribution next year, but at this point, I think he's unlikely to ever see a ton of time given the incoming class. My thing is fairness. 1) If you allow others to play even with faults, all should get that opportunity. 2) Henry Simms is a prime example of allowing a player to gain confidence and not pull him after his first mistake can help a player performance on the court. Henry play his senior is why the team had success. 3) If Josh is allowed minutes, Hayes should get 2 times that amount. 4) He is 7 feet. As most coaches say in basketball, you cant teach height. 5) Don't let the bigs foul out in big games. Use Hayes 5 fouls as well. I have plenty more. But that's enough for now. :-)
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