deacon
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Post by deacon on Jan 8, 2014 22:56:18 GMT -5
I didn't expect a lot from this team this season, and my indifference towards this team is indicative of that. However, I do know that there's not one player on this team that should be given anything heading into next season. We have four incoming players who should play immediately, and I swear to the Lord almighty Jabril Trawick shouldn't be expected to start next season simply because he's familiar with the system. I won't deal with it.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2014 23:01:16 GMT -5
The players tried hard, we just don't have enough skill or athleticism on this team. That is 100% on the coach for compiling a roster that looks like this. Not entirely true, of course. Add Whit and Joshua and this is an entirely different team. I do agree that we have too many role players and not enough talent, which is the result of sub par recruiting, and the head coach is ultimately responsible for that.
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hoyaloya
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Post by hoyaloya on Jan 8, 2014 23:11:05 GMT -5
hoya 1995: "This reminds of the game in 03-04 when we got crushed by St John's and their team of walkons" agree
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biggmanu
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Post by biggmanu on Jan 8, 2014 23:11:53 GMT -5
The thing that scares me about next year is we have too many SFs possibly no Josh and Maybe no PF if hop has to go back to center. And I would not be surprised if one of our best players is held back for academic issues.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 8, 2014 23:15:26 GMT -5
The thing that scares me about next year is we have too many SFs possibly no Josh and Maybe no PF if hop has to go back to center. And I would not be surprised if one of our best players is held back for academic issues. Copeland can play the 4, really both he and White are combo forwards. We'll be fine at the forward spots, that will be the least of the team's worries.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2014 23:17:08 GMT -5
The thing that scares me about next year is we have too many SFs possibly no Josh and Maybe no PF if hop has to go back to center. And I would not be surprised if one of our best players is held back for academic issues. *sigh* The recruiting class apparently has to be even BETTER than the hype
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 8, 2014 23:26:20 GMT -5
If we had Josh tonight, giving us his uaual 20 and 12, it would have been a totally different game.
Oh, wait...
I know this team can play better than this, with or without Josh. But I really don't think that the ceiling for this team is an NCAA bid. Maybe 9-9 in the conference. The floor would be something like 5-13. In any case, even with the wins over VCU and K State, this looks like III's worst Georgetown team.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 8, 2014 23:33:19 GMT -5
Rankings in respective class
#76, #58, #78, #48, #20 (Our starting lineup until Josh's incident)
#80, NR, NR, #77, #63 (our bench)
#32, #58, #64, NR (our 2014 class)
#42 (Otto)
Can someone explain how our supposedly awesome class materially affects our assessed talent level? Unless we get lucky and one "pops" like Otto did, this class is just like the rest of our classes. So will their development be different? If so, why?
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 8, 2014 23:41:01 GMT -5
A few thoughts after the drive home from the Dunk:
This felt like that long string of games at the Dunk in the late 90s / early 2000s - tractor pull early then lose late in a turnover fest.
It's astounding how this team left PC's only true offensive option, the corner 3, virtually unguarded the last 10 minutes of the game.
Smith's absence allowed PC to ignore the Hoya front court, who seemed afraid to put up a shot, and concentrate on Starks and DSR, leaving them with few open looks.
Disappointed in Bowen, who looked far more solid on Saturday, but reverted to playing over anxious, forcing passes and turning the ball over repeatedly.
Cameron and Domingo have little value other than giving fouls if neither of them is going to attempt a shot even when they are wide open.
This was a game when BowenAyegbaLubickTrawickCameronDomingo needed to step up and score offensively: none really did. They looked like they were waiting for DSR or Starks to carry them. Not saying there wasn't effort - there was, it just wasn't smart effort.
I guess we will see what they are made of over the next 2 games.
Oh, and the faux Hulk Hogan in front of us was way funnier than the guy who stood up face to face a foot from a middle aged well dressed Hoya fan and screamed "Hoyas SUCK!" fifty times in a row. You can always spell class without Providence.
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Jan 9, 2014 0:08:27 GMT -5
Rankings in respective class #76, #58, #78, #48, #20 (Our starting lineup until Josh's incident) #80, NR, NR, #77, #63 (our bench) #32, #58, #64, NR (our 2014 class) #42 (Otto) Can someone explain how our supposedly awesome class materially affects our assessed talent level? Unless we get lucky and one "pops" like Otto did, this class is just like the rest of our classes. So will their development be different? If so, why? Personally, because I have eyes and couldn't possibly care less what Copeland, White, Peak and Tre are rated by Rivals, or whatever recruiting service you grabbed those rankings from. I trust my eyes and see that every single player we're bringing in next season would be playing major minutes on this team.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jan 9, 2014 0:27:35 GMT -5
And on the off chance the incoming class lives up all these expectations, there's no guarantee they won't be dismantled by injuries, academic problems, transfers, and early departures like pretty much every group but the 2008 class. There are so many negative unknowns that seemingly always pop up with our recruits and players I'm not getting excited.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Jan 9, 2014 2:19:04 GMT -5
I get that Cameron isn't that great of a defender but it's not like the Hoyas are putting 5 Bruce Bowens on the court at all times.
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Post by tgo on Jan 9, 2014 4:37:51 GMT -5
When is the last time we had a recruiting class come even close to living up to the hype and that had an impact on the team from day one? Honestly? Freeman and wright never lived up to potential but they were impact players from the get go, that is the only example I can think of going back to esh that came in and had an impact as more than one player right away and of course wright lost his freshman year so that shouldn't even count. am I wrong? Every year people come on here in January or some other time when things are bad and talk about how at least we have help on the way and players x, y, z etc would start on this team.... But they never do. I refuse to get my hopes up by thinking this year will be different. Please tell me I am wrong. I won't believe you but I hope to be told I am wrong and this is the year we have a real impact recruiting class, the type that schools like Kansas, Kentucky, unc and others put together regularly.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 9, 2014 5:21:13 GMT -5
just a terrible performance last night. there was no life to this team at all. this is not an inexperienced team. the guys that played the majority of the minutes last night are veterans. that type of play is inexcusable for guys like starks, trawick and lubick. lubick and trawick have not improved one bit offensively since their freshman year. starks, who should be able to take games over, still has games where you think he just graduated high school. some of this has to fall on the staff for not having the guys ready to play hard but a starting lineup full of juniors and seniors (i am excusing DSR) should have the desire to put away an inferior team. instead, they never lead the entire game.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 9, 2014 6:50:24 GMT -5
When is the last time we had a recruiting class come even close to living up to the hype and that had an impact on the team from day one? Honestly? Freeman and wright never lived up to potential but they were impact players from the get go, that is the only example I can think of going back to esh that came in and had an impact as more than one player right away and of course wright lost his freshman year so that shouldn't even count. am I wrong? Every year people come on here in January or some other time when things are bad and talk about how at least we have help on the way and players x, y, z etc would start on this team.... But they never do. I refuse to get my hopes up by thinking this year will be different. Please tell me I am wrong. I won't believe you but I hope to be told I am wrong and this is the year we have a real impact recruiting class, the type that schools like Kansas, Kentucky, unc and others put together regularly. The 2011 class had an impact from day 1 Tgo.. Otto was very good right away and Whitt made nice contributions also. Even Jabril's play gave you hope that year, he has regressed this season but he played pretty well in his 1st 2 seasons
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biggmanu
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Post by biggmanu on Jan 9, 2014 7:00:17 GMT -5
The thing that scares me about next year is we have too many SFs possibly no Josh and Maybe no PF if hop has to go back to center. And I would not be surprised if one of our best players is held back for academic issues. Copeland can play the 4, really both he and White are combo forwards. We'll be fine at the forward spots, that will be the least of the team's worries. I remember saying we will be fine at PF (arguably the most important position in this offense) when Nate, Hollis, Summers, Reggie were incoming. As soon as those guys stepped foot on the hilltop that hype quickly evaporated. All guys that are 6-8 with huge defects. They really know how to pick em. I do give a ton of credit for finding Otto
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2014 7:14:12 GMT -5
One other comment: to those who regularly discount Cooley as a coach, last night his team exploited the Hoyas' weaknesses perfectly as they drubbed the Hoyas. His squad doesn't have near the talent the Hoyas do. Must be blind luck I guess. Right.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 9, 2014 8:11:09 GMT -5
hoya 1995: "This reminds of the game in 03-04 when we got crushed by St John's and their team of walkons" agree This post reminds me of Chicken Little, running around braying ridiculously like the world was ending. That St. John's team was the worst conference team in years. Providence is kind of a middle of the road Big East Team, it started walkons vs. ranked starters, the Hoyas had a lack of # tournament appearances in the years preceding that catastrophe, and last time I checked this team fields a winning Big East record. This game might not have been a great effort, but it is nothing like the St. John's walkon game.
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Post by TC on Jan 9, 2014 8:13:21 GMT -5
One other comment: to those who regularly discount Cooley as a coach, last night his team exploited the Hoyas' weaknesses perfectly as they drubbed the Hoyas. His squad doesn't have near the talent the Hoyas do. Must be blind luck I guess. Right. And they'll be better next year with Chukwu-mania sweeping Rhode Island. Cooley is doing a great job.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 8:15:53 GMT -5
One other comment: to those who regularly discount Cooley as a coach, last night his team exploited the Hoyas' weaknesses perfectly as they drubbed the Hoyas. His squad doesn't have near the talent the Hoyas do. Must be blind luck I guess. Right. Not near the amount of talent? Ladontae Hencon, Bryce Cotton and Khadeem Batts are a more talented trio than what we went up to RI with yesterday...
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