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Post by idhoya on Mar 30, 2005 11:14:29 GMT -5
Rush got co-mvp of the game. had 21 and 7, i think. Thomas had 10 or 11 and 5 or 6 boards. I think Thomas brings toughness. You can't discount anyone who wins Chicago POY. It is historically one of the toughest leagues in the country. My only issue is he seems to be short @ 6'6 or 6'7. The 270 doesn't concern me as much.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Mar 30, 2005 11:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Mar 30, 2005 11:22:21 GMT -5
Nah, we need a kid with some height. 270 is just too big. Is agile for his size? Can he play bigger than his 6'7" frame. He will HAVE to lose some weight to be effective with this team. We have enough 6'7" , 6'5" guys on this team. No more tweeners, please. We need some height that can get it up the floor and protect the paint.
I wouldn't even worry about Rush. He is small potatoes. They have been hyping up that Family for years. If he is not of Carmelo/Lebron status, then I wouldn't worry about him right now. We have plenty of guards and wings right now. I'm worried about the paint. Thats where the game is won. If you can't rule the paint in terms of defense and effective rebounding, we can have all the guards and wing players and 3-pt shooters we want. It won't do us any good. If I had to choose between the 2, I'd take DeAndre. But really, I think we should look elsewhere, other than these two.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 30, 2005 11:31:31 GMT -5
Nah, we need a kid with some height. 270 is just too big. He will HAVE to lose some weight to be affective with this team. We have enough 6'7" , 6'5" guys on this team. No more tweeners please. We need some height that can get it up the floor and protect the paint. A 6'7 wide body who's tough and boxes out is a lot different than a 6'7 Bowman type player. 6'7 and wide is big enough to be an effective presence in the paint and on the boards in college now. If Thomas is tough, and a quality big body, he can be a solid contributer at the four. The question, of course, is whether Thomas is tough enough and physical enough to be that presence. Though, you are right about him needing to be in shape.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 30, 2005 11:34:00 GMT -5
I disagree, Rush over Thomas...if just for the splash effect of landing him.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 30, 2005 11:42:56 GMT -5
RDF, I just checked my TV listing and the game is not going to be on ABC over here. I would appreciate your impressions of the Hoya hopefuls...
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Post by the_way on Mar 30, 2005 11:44:19 GMT -5
I disagree, Rush over Thomas...if just for the splash effect of landing him. I disagree with the "splash" effect. Hearing that term reminds me of the movie. Anyway, it seems like we are stockpiled at the wing/guard positions. What helps recruiting is the Coach's relationship with players and W's on the basketball court. Rush is not a savior or the X-factor type player to put us over the top as a program to wreckon with. He'd just be another wing/guard added to the stockpile of wing/guards we already have. Plus, he has NBA aspirations already. Where is head at? He ain't that good. Guys come to play for college teams based on Head Coach/Assistant Coach relationships, amount playing time, and W's. Not necessarily because if "so and so" signed. Our splash effect is JTIII getting hired and suprsingly restoring the basketball program's competiveness in just one year.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 30, 2005 12:01:57 GMT -5
I would normally agree with you, but the key here is that the one knock/question regarding JTIII at the time of his hire was to question his recruiting ability coming out of the Ivy League. The national media, recruiting experts and peer coaches universally regarded him as an excellent Xs and Os coach, a great motivator and a strong clubhouse presence but they all were quick to question whether he would be able to compete with the "big boys" on the recruiting trail.
Now, we believe that's already been proven to be an offbase critique since JTIII and his staff seem to be everywhere on the trail, but rival coaches will use any dirty trick they can to get an advantage on the trail. They will definitely bad mouth JTIII and I would bet that their bad mouthing centers around facilities and talent...they will ask a recruit is he wants a shot at a national championship and question whether JTIII can bring in the talent to make that happen.
This does effect recruits, whether you believe it or not. I'm not saying Rush is a savior or that he is a must-get, but there is no denying that landing a top 5 player in JTIII's first class would definitely send shockwaves through the recruiting world. It would, in effect, have JTIII making a huge splash in his first attempt at recruiting in the Big East -- an effort that he got a late start on due to the timing of his hire btw -- and it would definitely cause a lot of press coverage.
The stories would change from "Coach JTIII had a good first season, can he build on it?" to "Coach JTIII isn't stopping after an incredible first season and has already made a huge splash on the recruiting trail...Georgetown is back!"
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 30, 2005 12:03:08 GMT -5
According to Rivals, we did. And he's visiting. Draft City is not a definitive source. That said, virtually everyone says it is NBA, then Oklahoma, then everyone else. Hope the visit changes his mind.
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Post by the_way on Mar 30, 2005 12:21:28 GMT -5
I would normally agree with you, but the key here is that the one knock/question regarding JTIII at the time of his hire was to question his recruiting ability coming out of the Ivy League. The national media, recruiting experts and peer coaches universally regarded him as an excellent Xs and Os coach, a great motivator and a strong clubhouse presence but they all were quick to question whether he would be able to compete with the "big boys" on the recruiting trail. Now, we believe that's already been proven to be an offbase critique since JTIII and his staff seem to be everywhere on the trail, but rival coaches will use any dirty trick they can to get an advantage on the trail. They will definitely bad mouth JTIII and I would bet that their bad mouthing centers around facilities and talent...they will ask a recruit is he wants a shot at a national championship and question whether JTIII can bring in the talent to make that happen. This does effect recruits, whether you believe it or not. I'm not saying Rush is a savior or that he is a must-get, but there is no denying that landing a top 5 player in JTIII's first class would definitely send shockwaves through the recruiting world. It would, in effect, have JTIII making a huge splash in his first attempt at recruiting in the Big East -- an effort that he got a late start on due to the timing of his hire btw -- and it would definitely cause a lot of press coverage. The stories would change from "Coach JTIII had a good first season, can he build on it?" to "Coach JTIII isn't stopping after an incredible first season and has already made a huge splash on the recruiting trail...Georgetown is back!" You are looking for media approval. Recruits look at the relationship with the coach, can they get me to the NBA with the coach's teaching ability, am I going to get playing time, and the academic portion of the school. Recruits aren't stupid nor are they naive. They don't base their decisions on facilities, media reports or what other coaches say. Why did Jeff Green come here?! Why did our first 3 recruits coming in next year committ before our success in the Big East this year? They hear that all the time when they are in high school and AAU ball. They are recruited to go to a particular high school or AAU team before they are even recruited to go to college. There are plenty schools in this country that have great facilities and all the money in the world, and still have subpar basketball programs. The argument questioning whether JTIII could recruit was bogus and it showed that people weren't even paying attention to the work he did during his tenure. He couldn't give scholarships at Princeton, . The talents he did recruit at Princeton were a lot more talented and athletic,i.e., they looked like real basketball players than scrawny-looking Princeton teams of the past. He wasn't coaching at Stanford.
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Post by RDF on Mar 30, 2005 12:31:40 GMT -5
Thomas is a lot closer to 310 then he is 270 and I'm not very high on Chicago Basketball talent. They have produced some fine players but not consistently enough and most of their guys tend to land on the wrong end of OVERRATED list---see Marcus Liberty, Rashard Griffith, Thomas Hamilton, Ronnie Fields, etc......and for those who always associate Kevin Garnett with Chicago, he played there his SR year of HS--he's from Mauldin, South Carolina, not Illinois. Moved there because he was involved in an incident in HS and befriended his Nike Coach--who was Head Coach at Farragut Academy.
We have some better options to try and get for this Spring and if we don't land them, rather have scholarships held for next year, then waste it on a kid who might/might not lose weight and develop into a player. Last thing you want is someone who will sit and not play, then transfer--too much of that has been going on at GU for a while--transfers will happen, but don't want it all of the time as we've seen for last 15 years.
For those able to see game --it was on College Sports TV last night--I think you'll see why Im hesitant about Thomas. Kansas seems serious about recruiting him, but Illinois has token interest at best and it's more of him recruiting them then vice versa. For those dreaming of Mike Sweetney, what you'll see is a shorter version of Big Jelly Nigel Dixon--former Florida State and Western Kentucky Center.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 30, 2005 12:34:59 GMT -5
You are looking for media approval. Recruits look at the relationship with the coach, can they get me to the NBA with the coach's teaching ability, am I going to get playing time, and the academic portion of the school. Recruits aren't stupid nor are they naive. They don't base their decisions on facilities, media reports or what other coaches say. Why did Jeff Green come here?! Why did our first 3 recruits coming in next year committ before our success in the Big East this year? They hear that all the time when they are in high school and AAU ball. They are recruited to go to a particular high school or AAU team before they are even recruited to go to college. There are plenty schools in this country that have great facilities and all the money in the world, and still have subpar basketball programs. The argument questioning whether JTIII could recruit was bogus and it showed that people weren't even paying attention to the work he did during his tenure. He couldn't give scholarships at Princeton, . The talents he did recruit at Princeton were a lot more talented and athletic,i.e., they looked like real basketball players than scrawny-looking Princeton teams of the past. He wasn't coaching at Stanford. All the recruits that JTII pulled in for his first class are considered "underranked" and "undervalued"...he did a great job finding them, getting them to commit and such, but he did not have to battle with the big dogs to get them...so he still hasn't disproven the pundits -- right or wrong. Yes, media perseption matters. If you don't believe that Duke gets the pick of the litter because of the Coach K commercials and the fact that it's a stamp of approval to get a "Duke Offer" then you are kidding yourself.
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Post by the_way on Mar 30, 2005 12:47:35 GMT -5
All the recruits that JTII pulled in for his first class are considered "underranked" and "undervalued"...he did a great job finding them, getting them to commit and such, but he did not have to battle with the big dogs to get them...so he still hasn't disproven the pundits -- right or wrong. Yes, media perseption matters. If you don't believe that Duke gets the pick of the litter because of the Coach K commercials and the fact that it's a stamp of approval to get a "Duke Offer" then you are kidding yourself. Duke gets pick of the litter because Coach K has 3 National Titles, 10 final fours, about 9 ACC regular season titles, 8 ACC tournament titles. Thats why he has commericals as well. The man wins. Thats why kids come because their realtionship with him,and the fact he has a lot of W's on his resume.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Mar 30, 2005 13:28:57 GMT -5
I know it's Draft City, but it is an interview so thought it speaks more to what he is thinking...
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 30, 2005 13:54:41 GMT -5
coach k is a used car salesman. he proclaims his love for his players and preparing them for more than basketball, yet i bet he didn't reach out to help william avery when he failed in the pros. those commercials make me sick. it helps recruiting when he gets players parents jobs in and around durham. he is a fraud.
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Post by bowmansbruzers on Mar 30, 2005 14:32:46 GMT -5
It may look like those commercials will help him in his recruiting but how can it. He already gets the best players out there. He did get Deng, Livingston, Hill, Battier, Redick, Laetnner, Brand, and Jay Williams without those commercials, so I do not know how you can get any better than those players. And, I dont think when K did those commercials, that he was thinking that they all would be played during the NCAA Tourny over and over again. He is a smart and loyal man, not a cheater and a person who tries to take the easiest route in getting players. He has those trophies because he worked hard for everything he got.
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Post by Filthyhoya on Mar 30, 2005 17:09:34 GMT -5
I know we were recruiting Jerome Johnson for a while there but we seemed to have backed off of him. He just committed to UNLV. I have no idea what there situation is as far as scholarships are concerned but hopefully that may take UNLV out of the running for Rush. scout.scout.com/a.z?s=78&p=8&c=1&nid=1609729&refid=1
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