DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 9, 2013 21:31:53 GMT -5
The campaign is $1.5 billion. "How much toward football" is a slightly complicated question. The simplest answer is: zero. Because the $1.5 billion goal includes every dollar raised by Georgetown over a multi-year period going back to FY 2007, all the gifts to the Gridiron Club and need based aid scholarships raised specifically to football count in the campaign. That number could account for $2-3 million over the course of the campaign.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 10, 2013 0:16:30 GMT -5
The campaign is $1.5 billion. "How much toward football" is a slightly complicated question. The simplest answer is: zero. Because the $1.5 billion goal includes every dollar raised by Georgetown over a multi-year period going back to FY 2007, all the gifts to the Gridiron Club and need based aid scholarships raised specifically to football count in the campaign. That number could account for $2-3 million over the course of the campaign. Does it? I was unaware that every dollar in annual giving was being counted toward the campaign. Not disagreeing with you, just hadn't heard that stipulated before. Which pillar would a donation to the Gridiron Club fall under? Attracting the Best Students? Faculty and Academic Excellence? Student Life and Community Experience? Transformative Opportunities?
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Post by puppydog100 on Dec 10, 2013 8:13:09 GMT -5
DFW HOYA, since the support to the Gridiron Club would have come in with or without the campaign, their is effectively no additional support to the football program from the $ 1.5 billion campaign.
I will match GU's commitment and contribution, zero.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 11, 2013 13:27:56 GMT -5
Ok, yea, DFW is right, they're counting all donations as part of the Campaign.
So if the question is "how much of the campaign is going to football," the truest answer would be something like "exactly as much as if there were no campaign," with the exception of the IAC, which is a top campaign goal and is marketed as such.
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 13, 2013 22:15:16 GMT -5
This all sounds like complicated stuff but what I know is there is no real rallying point to give to the program. I've diverted donations to the school instead of football just because I feel like I don't understand what they are using donations to football for. This thread is further evidence of that.
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 8, 2014 3:28:26 GMT -5
Problem of Dog, always willing to learn, please explain it to me. Do all the teams in the PL follow the AI? Thanks. Yes. All of the teams in the Patriot League follow the AI and have a band system by which they can offer players either roster spots or scholarships. There are 4 bands that relate to that schools specific academic index. The conference as a whole similarly to the IVY League Teams has a minimum AI. Once a student has been cleared to fit in one of the 4 bands (of which they can offer a finite number of students per band, ie Band 1 is the lowest and only 1 or 2 players may be admitted within that range, Band 2 may allow 6 or 7 players Band 3 8-12, Band 4...number of players per Band is an estimate) PL teams have 15 full scholarships that they can offer recruits. Some teams split them up, others give out only full 15 for new players, some hold back scholarships and provide them to players that had exceptional years as a reward and then use the remainder to give to new players. However because those schools now offer those 15 scholarships they can no longer offer other financial aid to the other 10-15 students that they recruit. As any additional monies coming from the school would be counted against their scholarship count. This includes FAFSA loans
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 8, 2014 9:10:45 GMT -5
However because those schools now offer those 15 scholarships they can no longer offer other financial aid to the other 10-15 students that they recruit. As any additional monies coming from the school would be counted against their scholarship count. This includes FAFSA loans Is that right? Is this a new development, post-PL scholarships? I don't recall federal financial aid ever counting against scholarship/equivalency restrictions, assuming the exact same criteria were applied as are applied to non-athletes.
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 8, 2014 9:30:13 GMT -5
However because those schools now offer those 15 scholarships they can no longer offer other financial aid to the other 10-15 students that they recruit. As any additional monies coming from the school would be counted against their scholarship count. This includes FAFSA loans Is that right? Is this a new development, post-PL scholarships? I don't recall federal financial aid ever counting against scholarship/equivalency restrictions, assuming the exact same criteria were applied as are applied to non-athletes. Yes, I fact if you are offered a non scholarship roster spot (which can be nearly half the roster spots) you are told that you have to pay the full freight and cannot accept financial aid from the school.
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Post by gtowndad on Feb 8, 2014 12:23:36 GMT -5
If they just improved the facilities, I believe that would help recruiting a lot. Some kids just want to go to school in a urban environment at a first class school. In my opinion, everything at Georgetown is first class except the athletic facilities.
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 8, 2014 16:49:28 GMT -5
If they just improved the facilities, I believe that would help recruiting a lot. Some kids just want to go to school in a urban environment at a first class school. In my opinion, everything at Georgetown is first class except the athletic facilities. I heard they were breaking ground on a new facility in the spring to improve their current Athletic offices and varsity weight room among other things
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 9, 2014 0:24:37 GMT -5
Is that right? Is this a new development, post-PL scholarships? I don't recall federal financial aid ever counting against scholarship/equivalency restrictions, assuming the exact same criteria were applied as are applied to non-athletes. Yes, I fact if you are offered a non scholarship roster spot (which can be nearly half the roster spots) you are told that you have to pay the full freight and cannot accept financial aid from the school. I'm 99% sure this is not true.
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 9, 2014 0:55:05 GMT -5
Yes, I fact if you are offered a non scholarship roster spot (which can be nearly half the roster spots) you are told that you have to pay the full freight and cannot accept financial aid from the school. I'm 99% sure this is not true. Having been through the process with 5 different Patriot League teams, sat in seminars and spoken with coaching staffs I can tell you it is true.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 9, 2014 10:32:38 GMT -5
I'm 99% sure this is not true. Having been through the process with 5 different Patriot League teams, sat in seminars and spoken with coaching staffs I can tell you it is true. To confirm, this is a new stipulation that was enacted after the Patriot League decided to allow scholarships? Also, since Georgetown remains non-scholarship, this would not apply to Georgetown?
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 9, 2014 11:01:09 GMT -5
Having been through the process with 5 different Patriot League teams, sat in seminars and spoken with coaching staffs I can tell you it is true. To confirm, this is a new stipulation that was enacted after the Patriot League decided to allow scholarships? Also, since Georgetown remains non-scholarship, this would not apply to Georgetown? Yes that is correct
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 9, 2014 11:09:11 GMT -5
Having been through the process with 5 different Patriot League teams, sat in seminars and spoken with coaching staffs I can tell you it is true. To confirm, this is a new stipulation that was enacted after the Patriot League decided to allow scholarships? Also, since Georgetown remains non-scholarship, this would not apply to Georgetown? Yes that is correct
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 9, 2014 15:09:16 GMT -5
To confirm, this is a new stipulation that was enacted after the Patriot League decided to allow scholarships? Also, since Georgetown remains non-scholarship, this would not apply to Georgetown? Yes that is correct Yes, that is correct.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 9, 2014 17:34:24 GMT -5
I'm 99% sure this is not true. Having been through the process with 5 different Patriot League teams, sat in seminars and spoken with coaching staffs I can tell you it is true. Well this is certainly not an NCAA rule, so I have a hard time seeing how the Patriot League would go about enforcing it, particularly because one of its members doesn't have to abide by these rules.
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Post by battlingbishop on Feb 10, 2014 8:05:13 GMT -5
Having been through the process with 5 different Patriot League teams, sat in seminars and spoken with coaching staffs I can tell you it is true. Well this is certainly not an NCAA rule, so I have a hard time seeing how the Patriot League would go about enforcing it, particularly because one of its members doesn't have to abide by these rules. I am just explaining how it was explained to me. At the schools my son was offered a scholarship, it wasn't an issue, as there was no reason to inquire any further. Where he was offered a preferred roster spot but no scholarship and in the Patriot League we were told that he could not accept FAFSA funds or any financial aid offered by the University, but he could seek 3rd party scholarship monies not associated to the School. And the opportunity to earn an athletic scholarship would be available based on playing time or if he started at his position for more than half the game (individual school rules) However, in the NEC they offered mixed packages, that included athletic scholarship, merit based scholarship and if you qualified, FAFSA monies. NCAA rules for eligibility, scholarship offerings and governance were up to the individual conference.
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