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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 29, 2014 15:52:56 GMT -5
From 247 Sports, it lists Hardnett as a 5'10" PG with apparently mostly mid-major interest. Not sure how up-to-date the information is though. Hopefully, he's grown a few inches since then.... From the article, Hardnett holds offers from Clemson, Ole Miss, Middle Tennessee State, Murray State, South Alabama, UTEP and Western Kentucky.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 29, 2014 15:56:13 GMT -5
From 247 Sports, it lists Hardnett as a 5'10" PG with apparently mostly mid-major interest. Not sure how up-to-date the information is though. Hopefully, he's grown a few inches since then.... From the article, Hardnett holds offers from Clemson, Ole Miss, Middle Tennessee State, Murray State, South Alabama, UTEP and Western Kentucky. FGCU and Texas Tech as well according to rivals.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 29, 2014 16:02:34 GMT -5
I hope we get Dozier.
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Post by daymondmyles on Sept 29, 2014 16:08:05 GMT -5
Suhm Randihm Dood=Hardnett
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 29, 2014 16:42:27 GMT -5
I read the write-ups on Hardnett, but I was wondering on impressions from anyone who might have seen him play. If he is an athlete who can handle, I am okay with him being a bit undersized and perhaps not a great shooter. The teams of the next few years need distributors, IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 16:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by Highsmith on Sept 29, 2014 17:16:03 GMT -5
I read the write-ups on Hardnett, but I was wondering on impressions from anyone who might have seen him play. If he is an athlete who can handle, I am okay with him being a bit undersized and perhaps not a great shooter. The teams of the next few years need distributors, IMHO. Wondering the same, and I agree. That interview made it sound like he has been a big scorer in the past but knows his future is as a passer and he wants to develop that.....encouraging!
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 29, 2014 17:38:47 GMT -5
Not sure if we aimed too high, just had bad luck, or lacked a closing touch for our targets. Disappointing, but still hope with Dozier, and whatever Plan B is. Probably a little bit of all three options. On the one hand, I really liked the staff going to head to head with the big boys for elite talent. On the other hand, in hindsight maybe we should have worked a little harder on some recruits in the 50-150 range because there is a very good chance we miss out on all our top targets. I wonder what happened with Reaves; I have to assume if we had pushed hard he would have picked us over Penn State. Reaves went to a lot of our games, and seemed to be a big fan of the program. Oh well, it's recruiting so who knows what happened. That being said, it's much better to be looking for guards than looking for bigs late in the recruiting season. Outside of recruiting Dorsey, the staff had a good strategy & list.. Chasing Dorsey was a waste of time imo & may have had a negative effect on kids like Williams & Cheatham.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 29, 2014 17:47:40 GMT -5
I read the write-ups on Hardnett, but I was wondering on impressions from anyone who might have seen him play. If he is an athlete who can handle, I am okay with him being a bit undersized and perhaps not a great shooter. The teams of the next few years need distributors, IMHO. Wondering the same, and I agree. That interview made it sound like he has been a big scorer in the past but knows his future is as a passer and he wants to develop that.....encouraging! www.clarionledger.com/story/recruitingreport/2014/08/15/hardnett-transfer/14130833/The guard was named a Clarion-Ledger Dandy Dozen last year and helped Gulfport capture its ninth state championship, averaging 22.2 points, 4.3 rebounds and 1.6 steals as a junior.
A three-star prospect according to Rivals, Hardnett holds offers from Ole Miss, Clemson, Middle Tennessee State, Murray State and Western Kentucky. The rising senior said his recruitment played a factor in his decision to transfer.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 29, 2014 18:06:41 GMT -5
Probably a little bit of all three options. On the one hand, I really liked the staff going to head to head with the big boys for elite talent. On the other hand, in hindsight maybe we should have worked a little harder on some recruits in the 50-150 range because there is a very good chance we miss out on all our top targets. I wonder what happened with Reaves; I have to assume if we had pushed hard he would have picked us over Penn State. Reaves went to a lot of our games, and seemed to be a big fan of the program. Oh well, it's recruiting so who knows what happened. That being said, it's much better to be looking for guards than looking for bigs late in the recruiting season. Outside of recruiting Dorsey, the staff had a good strategy & list.. Chasing Dorsey was a waste of time imo & may have had a negative effect on kids like Williams & Cheatham. We had Dorsey's ear....and he is willing to leave the state. You have an obligation to play that out if the opportunity presents itself.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 29, 2014 18:38:32 GMT -5
Outside of recruiting Dorsey, the staff had a good strategy & list.. Chasing Dorsey was a waste of time imo & may have had a negative effect on kids like Williams & Cheatham. We had Dorsey's ear....and he is willing to leave the state. You have an obligation to play that out if the opportunity presents itself. You posted in the Dorsey thread that the staff "never really had a shot" and that they "swung for the fences" with him.. I don't get why they'd bother to chase a long shot that they hadn't been in contact with when they had already developed solid secondary targets for the backcourt?
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Post by prhoya on Sept 29, 2014 18:57:05 GMT -5
Just in case, the staff should be taking a look at the list of Class of '15 PGs (or combos with good handle) who score a lot, no matter their size, state, competition, etc... Let's get away from this idea that we need big PGs. The starting guards for 2014 national champs UConn were 6'1" Napier and 6'0" Boatright. They took on Kentucky guards 6'6" Young and the 6'6" Harrison twins. The previous year, '13 champs Louisville had 6'0" Russ Smith, 6'0" P. Siva beating Michigan's 6'1" Burke and 5'11" Spike Albrecht with 6'6" SG Hardaway.
What these 6'1" and under guards had in common was cojones to play hard and score. No more deer-in-headlights and no more 4-v-5 offense!
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Post by Talos on Sept 30, 2014 9:30:50 GMT -5
Just in case, the staff should be taking a look at the list of Class of '15 PGs (or combos with good handle) who score a lot, no matter their size, state, competition, etc... Let's get away from this idea that we need big PGs. The starting guards for 2014 national champs UConn were 6'1" Napier and 6'0" Boatright. They took on Kentucky guards 6'6" Young and the 6'6" Harrison twins. The previous year, '13 champs Louisville had 6'0" Russ Smith, 6'0" P. Siva beating Michigan's 6'1" Burke and 5'11" Spike Albrecht with 6'6" SG Hardaway. What these 6'1" and under guards had in common was cojones to play hard and score. No more deer-in-headlights and no more 4-v-5 offense! True, good points. But most of those guards you list are very athletic, talented, skilled, and if I recall correctly were highly regarded in high school. I don't think these guards should be mentioned in the same breath as a 5'10" unranked guard. I'm not saying height is the most important thing for a guard, but it's not insignificant either. If you're 5'10", you have to have some exceptional skills/talents to make up for your stature. All I'm saying is since we already have a smallish PG in Campbell, I would have preferred someone with a different skillset like Reaves as opposed to Hardnett.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 30, 2014 12:01:19 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Hardnett is now being listed as 6'1". According to the summer sessions site. Don't know if it's accurate but 3" in a yr is a good jump. Maybe he has one more growth spurt in him. ?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 30, 2014 13:02:50 GMT -5
He has been hanging out with lic.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 30, 2014 15:28:32 GMT -5
Just in case, the staff should be taking a look at the list of Class of '15 PGs (or combos with good handle) who score a lot, no matter their size, state, competition, etc... Let's get away from this idea that we need big PGs. The starting guards for 2014 national champs UConn were 6'1" Napier and 6'0" Boatright. They took on Kentucky guards 6'6" Young and the 6'6" Harrison twins. The previous year, '13 champs Louisville had 6'0" Russ Smith, 6'0" P. Siva beating Michigan's 6'1" Burke and 5'11" Spike Albrecht with 6'6" SG Hardaway. What these 6'1" and under guards had in common was cojones to play hard and score. No more deer-in-headlights and no more 4-v-5 offense! True, good points. But most of those guards you list are very athletic, talented, skilled, and if I recall correctly were highly regarded in high school. I don't think these guards should be mentioned in the same breath as a 5'10" unranked guard. I'm not saying height is the most important thing for a guard, but it's not insignificant either. If you're 5'10", you have to have some exceptional skills/talents to make up for your stature. All I'm saying is since we already have a smallish PG in Campbell, I would have preferred someone with a different skillset like Reaves as opposed to Hardnett. I'm listing the ones featured in the last two NCAA championship games. There are plenty of similar examples. Checking the historical Recruiting Services Consensus Index: Boatright - #55 Trey Burke - #83 Napier - #85 Russ Smith - NR (or I couldn't find him) Spike Albrecht - NR (or I couldn't find him) Maybe these recruiting ranking gurus saw the athlete, the talent, and/or skill, but were height-biased and ranked them lower because of their height. Maybe we have a similar gem in Tre!!! I guess what you're saying is ceteris paribus, take the taller guard. I agree, but when is it so clear cut? Take as many talented guards as possible without a height bias and don't limit the guards on the roster based on height. But, always have height balance on the team as a whole. Btw, the exceptional talent to make up for stature that you mention might be big cojones.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 30, 2014 16:17:17 GMT -5
Guard height is wildly overrated in college basketball.
It is very important in the NBA, and people transfer that to college.
It's like when people complain about a 6'9" PF in college as if he is short. He's not in college -- those are NBA standards you are applying.
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Post by chep3 on Sept 30, 2014 16:49:26 GMT -5
Isn't Tre listed at like 6'2? That's not short for a pg, not even in the NBA.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 30, 2014 18:25:38 GMT -5
Edgar Padilla 6'2" and Carmelo Travieso 6'3" (generous listings) took it to AI and Vic.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 30, 2014 20:04:38 GMT -5
Edgar Padilla 6'2" and Carmelo Travieso 6'3" (generous listings) took it to AI and Vic. You mean 6'0" Allen " Cojones" Iverson?
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