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Post by Filo on Aug 6, 2013 20:51:17 GMT -5
He will get starter minutes but I like the idea of bringing a guy off the bench that can do something to change the game. If DSR is not the best player on the team, he will be second best behind Starks. Personally, I wouldn't leave my best or second-best player out of the starting line-up.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Aug 7, 2013 8:14:18 GMT -5
Since Kenner is over for most of the Hoyas (with only Bowen and Caprio still alive), I'm going to give my prediction on the state of the Hoyas. I know a lot of people think it's hard to extrapolate from Kenner but in my experience, that's not true. You can definitely see how a player has progressed or not progressed and their weaknesses and strengths. A lot of weaknesses can be minimized with coaching in the real season and a lot of strengths can be taken away by scouting and better players in the real season. But here we go. Basically, I'm definitely worried. More so than years past. Generally, I'm pretty optimistic going into the season but I think this team will suffer from poor defense and rebounding. I know what you're thinking: that nobody really defends or rebounds during Kenner. But that's not really true. Watching a player in Kenner, you can see whether he attacks the ball and stays in front of his man, tendencies, etc. On defense, Hayes is awful, Josh Smith is fairly terrible and so is Cameron. DSR is OK. Hopkins and Nate are OK. Moses can be very good if he learns to stop fouling. Markel and Jabril are very good. Rebounding is worse though. The only rebounders worth anything are Moses and possibly Nate. Hops, Smith, and Hayes may be the worst group of big men in terms of rebounding that I've ever seen. We will miss Otto and Greg big time on this front. Now, there are ways to minimize these. For defense, we play even more zone although that will hurt our rebounding more. And for rebounding, play more Moses but that will hurt our offense. Now, for the good news. I actually think our offense could be pretty good. We will miss a player like Otto of course. But I think Markel is ready for a big year. Jabril has gotten better and so has Hops. And most of all, Josh Smith will be a force and will be something we haven't had for awhile, a big man to bail us out late in shot clocks and also wear the other side down. Add in a smooth shooting Cameron and players like Bowen and Domingo, and you have a lot of options. What does this all mean though? In the grand scheme, I still think we are in the upper half of the Big East and maybe we outscore people enough to win it mostly because I'm not sure there are any elite teams this year in the conference. But we will struggle against teams that can run and score in bunches or even just have offensive firepower down low. Maybe that just means we get a lower seed in the tourney than years past and reverse the trend by advancing since we no longer face the Cinderella. But I just hate the thought of going into the season with these weaknesses. P.S. my X factor may be Bowen. I've always liked the kid, his heart and attitude, but was definitely down on him because I thought he had limited ability. But I must give him credit. He really has grown and matured not only in the past couple of years but during this offseason. The Bowen I saw the past couple of weekends is better than the one I saw at the beginning of Kenner. I'm not sure what role he will play but I hope it's a decent one because I'm liking how he is trending. I hear ya! Hoya Saxa!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Aug 7, 2013 8:32:25 GMT -5
First off, players are made in the off season! Secondly, our players that played this summer in our Kenner League have done well a few have done exceptional. In hoops or whatever sport players are required to step up. There's lots of experience on this Hoyas team coming into this season. Stark, Lubick, Trawick, Hopkins, Ayegba, Caprio and especially Bowen so we'll see where the chips may lay. This season will be the biggest challange for the JTIII and the Hoyas since he's been here.
Kenner gives you a great insight of what's to come and what to expect. The Kenner league is one of the best college/pro summer leagues in America point blank. Most of these teams play as if their life depends on it. Great defense and great challenges on the court. I think our veteran players know's how it feels to lose in the NCAA's! This is one thing I'd never forget if I were a player until I left college. This would fire me up so bad you'd see this in my summer play and especially going into next season. Communication and point communication will be a BIG key for the Hoyas on DEFENSE BIG TIME! This would have to start with Markel. He's the leader out there (point guard).
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Post by strummer8526 on Aug 7, 2013 8:48:04 GMT -5
I tried to read as many of the recaps as I could, but I may have missed some. From the ones I saw, it seemed like Moses missed a bunch of games. Any idea why?
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Post by wrestlemania on Aug 15, 2013 17:44:34 GMT -5
I don't know . . . never seen a Kenner game, so I'll have to take everybody's word for it, but the idea that it predicts in-season performance to any meaningful extent seems a stretch. Granted, it is a good venue for guys to just get out there and play against reasonable competition (Yates falls a bit short there -- anyone who saw Sleepy Floyd and Eric Smith play with three guys from the dental school would know this). But the summer league stuff I have seen sometimes looks like glorified And 1, but without the fat guy standing in the middle of the court with a microphone and a wig.
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 15, 2013 18:17:36 GMT -5
Like you said....you've never been to a Kenner game before.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 15, 2013 18:31:23 GMT -5
Next season I'll be watching if our guards, esp. Markel, penetrate to the basket more than last season and, thus, there's an increase in FT attempts. It seems to me like this Kenner had more of that than other summer seasons. We'll see.
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Post by nathanhm on Aug 15, 2013 22:05:18 GMT -5
Next season I'll be watching if our guards, esp. Markel, penetrate to the basket more than last season and, thus, there's an increase in FT attempts. It seems to me like this Kenner had more of that than other summer seasons. We'll see. Markel is a senior...
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Post by prhoya on Aug 15, 2013 22:17:21 GMT -5
...who will play his next season starting this October...
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Post by nathanhm on Aug 15, 2013 23:33:55 GMT -5
...who will play his next season starting this October... Ahhh, I think of it as this season. Misunderstanding
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Post by This Just In on Aug 16, 2013 9:36:16 GMT -5
People can be worried or exuberant about Kenner League but it's not likely to change the direction the coaching staff will take with regards to playing time. The starting lineup figures to be Starks, Trawick, DSR, Lubick, and Hopkins and they'll all get 28 or more minutes per game unless fouls become a problem. Bowen, Ayegba, and Domingo will get some limited rotation, with Caprio moving to a spot role much like Bowen had last season. Beyond that, it's hard to see much out of these reports which suggest a massive shakeup in the way the lineups take hold. Based off of past history, this is a very accurate assessment.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 16, 2013 9:51:41 GMT -5
Based upon all reports from the Kenner League, it would be a little surpising if Cameron does not receive some playing time, possibly as much as Domingo. It is really a difficult exercise to predict anything right now as kids develop at different paces. Between now and November it is possible for a player like Hayes to make a major step. All I really care about is that we see JT III use the preconference schedule to give Bowen, Domingo, Hayes, Caprio and Cameron the opportunity to play with the starters. With a veteran starting unit, there is less need for them to play 30 minutes against many of the preconference opponents and a real opportunity to see what Cameron and Bowen can do next to Lubick and Hopkins. The same is true of the other bench players.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 16, 2013 10:23:47 GMT -5
My guess is that Cameron will get a shot, and what he makes of that time will dictate how much playing time he gets. If you recall from last season, Domingo got some time in the early games last season, but he quickly lost that time and he didn't really make a great showing early on. In contrast, DSR had the huge came against Duquesne, and managed to stay in the rotation all season long.
I agree with DFW that at least initially, Starks, Trawick, DSR, Lubick, and Hopkins will probably get most of the time, with Moses, Bowen, and maybe Domingo getting time. BUT, unless John Thompson III uses three guard lineups (he said previously he will not do that), he will have to use somebody else that isn't among those. If we had Whittington, then I really do think we would have had a 6-7 tight rotation, but without any obvious SF, the lineup will have to incorporate someone else...
OR JTIII will just go with a three guard lineup. I have no doubt JTIII doesn't WANT to use a three guard lineup, but he also has generally proven that he'll stick with the 5 or 6 best players, and if three of them are guards, then it may shake out that way anyway.
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Post by daymondmyles on Aug 16, 2013 12:35:59 GMT -5
Is Kenner any less useful than AAU ball in evaluating a player? I'd say no and AAU is where a lot of the evaluation is done these days.
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Post by vv83 on Aug 16, 2013 12:55:59 GMT -5
Domingo would have to improve dramatically from what he showed last year/this summer to get any significant playing time. Cameron looks like a much, much better player right now - if only because he looks like he can hit 40+% on 3's, while Domingo shot under 25% on the many 3's he took this summer. Cameron also seemed to just have a much better sense of basketball - where to be and what to do when. Domingo has some length, athleticism, and skill - but to date he has not put any of that together in a way that has a positive impact on a game, either last season or in Kenner this summer.
I hate to keep going negative on Domingo, but i think he has a long way to go before he sees any meaningful playing time.
My guess is that Bowen will get first shot at significant playing time beyond the top 5 (Josh Smith excluded) at the start of the season. He is experienced and athletic, and it looked like the game was starting to slow down a bit for him this summer, allowing him to use his ability more effectively.
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Post by Eurostar on Aug 17, 2013 9:50:31 GMT -5
He will get starter minutes but I like the idea of bringing a guy off the bench that can do something to change the game. That guy this year will be Bowen. DSR is our #2 offensive threat, there's no way he won't start.
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Post by This Just In on Aug 20, 2013 8:39:37 GMT -5
With a predominately 3 guard lineup, rebounding will be an issue all season long on the offensive and defensive glass.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 20, 2013 9:21:58 GMT -5
With a predominately 3 guard lineup, rebounding will be an issue all season long on the offensive and defensive glass. I do not disagree with your concern, but it will also depend upon the line-up in the game. Hopkins was weak last year and Nate a little undersized against other posts. In contrast, Moses is a strong rebounder. Also, DSR and Jabril are strong rebounders for guards, particularly playing against small forwards who might not be much taller and Bowen has the hops to outjump many taller opponents.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 21, 2013 23:04:32 GMT -5
good points cal we will see rebounding BOUT TOUGHNESS AND HEART
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Post by This Just In on Sept 12, 2013 10:38:39 GMT -5
With a predominately 3 guard lineup, rebounding will be an issue all season long on the offensive and defensive glass. I do not disagree with your concern, but it will also depend upon the line-up in the game. Hopkins was weak last year and Nate a little undersized against other posts. In contrast, Moses is a strong rebounder. Also, DSR and Jabril are strong rebounders for guards, particularly playing against small forwards who might not be much taller and Bowen has the hops to outjump many taller opponents. What do u think about the lineup of Starks, Trawick, DSR, Bowen and either Moses or Hopkins at Center?
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