calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Oct 29, 2014 22:38:32 GMT -5
Everybody has a different take on this (and I know for local recruits we would have a different spin), but if you can, I think your chance for the most personal growth in college can be to get away from your comfort zone and try something different. SC isn't that far from DC as it is still on the east coast. He will likely get instant PT at either Gtown or South Carolina but do you want to play basketball in a football conference that has never been terribly relevant in hoops or do you want to go to a hoops conference on a team that is nationally relevant. This seems like an obvious choice and he has another SC native on the current roster to bounce ideas off of. Fingers crossed! Understand your point but it probably stretches things a bit to say the SEC has never been terribly relevant in hoops. Starting with the history of Kentucky and adding in more recent success of Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, and Missouri it is hard to characterize this conference as not relevant. Do not forget stretches of national success at LSU and Arkansas.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 29, 2014 22:42:43 GMT -5
Cal....hopefully Dozier doesn't read your posts and accepts the irrelevance stereotype!
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Post by tashoya on Oct 29, 2014 22:56:52 GMT -5
Everybody has a different take on this (and I know for local recruits we would have a different spin), but if you can, I think your chance for the most personal growth in college can be to get away from your comfort zone and try something different. SC isn't that far from DC as it is still on the east coast. He will likely get instant PT at either Gtown or South Carolina but do you want to play basketball in a football conference that has never been terribly relevant in hoops or do you want to go to a hoops conference on a team that is nationally relevant. This seems like an obvious choice and he has another SC native on the current roster to bounce ideas off of. Fingers crossed! Understand your point but it probably stretches things a bit to say the SEC has never been terribly relevant in hoops. Starting with the history of Kentucky and adding in more recent success of Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, and Missouri it is hard to characterize this conference as not relevant. Do not forget stretches of national success at LSU and Arkansas. SC isn't particularly relevant. It's not a program anyone cares about nationally. But one can't really overstate the hometown and legacy parts. That has to really pull at the kid. I, personally, always throw on the Hoya-colored glasses so I find a way to make Georgetown the best choice in terms of development. And, sometimes, that's even empirically an easily defensible position. I think it is in this case but the emotional ties for PJ have to be weighing on him pretty heavily. Who doesn't love an underdog? And an underdog in your home state with a school to which you have familial ties. In a weird way, I'd really respect him picking SC even though I don't think, as objectively as I can think, that that's the best choice for a guy that wants to improve his game. I can't argue Louisville either. Pitino gets all of his guys to play pressure D or they sit. The offense development isn't what it is at Georgetown but the commitment on D surpasses us IMO. A part of that, at least recently, has been a very short bench. But Pitino has had depth and will sit better offensive players for not getting after it on D. I can't say I respect Pitino as a person but I respect his ability as a coach. He develops his guards especially so I get the draw.
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Post by matersammich on Oct 30, 2014 6:19:00 GMT -5
If we lose to SC there was really nothing we could do, we can't be the home state school. If we lose to Louisville I'd be more upset because he chose to go away from home and he picked someone other than the Hoyas.
I like that we're in this one to the end but we need to win recruiting battles like this. Dozier would be a great fit here and might help propel this team to a few years of dominant basketball.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 30, 2014 7:54:20 GMT -5
Cal, my point was south carolina hoops has been largely irrelevant and the SEC is a football-centric conference so the big men on campus are always the football players. Frank Martin seems like a spazz too but that might just be his outward demeanor. Seems very different stylistically than JTIII.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 30, 2014 8:47:36 GMT -5
Cal, my point was south carolina hoops has been largely irrelevant and the SEC is a football-centric conference so the big men on campus are always the football players. Frank Martin seems like a spazz too but that might just be his outward demeanor. Seems very different stylistically than JTIII. Understood your point Columbia and hope that Dozier picks the stronger program and tradition on the Hilltop. No offense intended--just thought that with all the commotion over SEC football this time of year it is somewhat easy to forget that the conference does have a strong basketball tradition. You are absolutely right that football is and always will be "king" in the South, but there are exceptions. I have been to basketball games throughout the country and truly have seldom experienced an atmosphere like that I felt in Lexington for a relatively meaningless game against Mississippi a few years back. I would say that it ranks right there with what I have seen in the Pit in Albuquerque, at Indiana, and Kansas.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 30, 2014 10:54:20 GMT -5
All of the places you mentioned aren't really SEC country. UK is in the SEC but they've always been a bball blue blood
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 30, 2014 11:25:46 GMT -5
The fact that both his father and mom accompanied him on his trip may be a good indication that the parents, if they had to accept their son leaving home, wanted to at least have a good feel of the environment before even considering giving their seal of approval. Plus you can't tell me Dozier is more impressed with his potential future Gamecock teammates than with his potential Hoya teammates (in terms of talent).
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Oct 30, 2014 11:43:45 GMT -5
Good point MCI. Do we know if both parents accompanied him on all visits?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 11:55:42 GMT -5
Whole fam was at SC including his Sister that play for the Girls team..
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Post by hoyabinx on Oct 30, 2014 12:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 30, 2014 12:19:12 GMT -5
I don't understand why kids want to get berated by Frank Martin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 12:25:50 GMT -5
Never really paid much attention to Dozier other than Highlight vids because I thought he was such a long shot and unrealistic. The comment about GTown being the best fit for his game intrigued me though. My initial reaction was “BS!” haha what guard would say that so I watched a couple Upward Stars Games and was really surprised in how he plays.
1) He really plays the PG position for them. He runs sets, he gets players in place and distributes. He doesn’t look as natural and as poised as say Robinson (Galen Robinson) looks to me but he’s close and has a very high B-ball Iq. It’s not some sudo Combo Guard situation where you think maybe he could develop into a PG. He is a PG and plays like it imo
2) He doesn’t push the pace. He seemed more comfortable playing in the halfcourt than running up and down the floor pushing pace like most young guards. Now Upward stars like most AAU teams fast breaks a lot but his approach was more KButter than Ty Lawson. He Passes ahead he doesn’t try and dribble his was through traffic etc That being said he can handle pressure and can dribble out of pressure if need be
3) In the halfcourt he likes to operate of the catch with a live dribble 15-18ft in. He very much plays like a typical big Guard plays in the Triangle offense. He posts up some, comes off curl screens to get into the lane. He can break you down off the dribble but likes to get his through the flow of the offense and is very patient. He’ll probe until he gets something he likes. When he’s in the lane he usually tries to finish with floaters ala Markel but wasn’t nearly as efficient with that shot. One of the game i watched he was missing wildly with it but he looked really rusty overall as it was one of his first AAU games back from Surgery
The game was against Dwayne Bacon btw
4) He’s a really good passer. Really good. I was shocked I thought he was a scoring point but I was much more impressed with his court vision and High basketball IQ then his ability to put the ball in the basket. Had one sequence when he dropped about 4 dymes in 2 minutes threading the needle on a couple of them for easy buckets. He can really find guys and if you surround him with guys that can score the rock he will have a field day.
5) He plays like a Big guard running the triangle. Ron Harper is the name and game that keeps coming into my head but it’s not a perfect comparison. But definitely has that vybe. I don’t think he’s the type of kid you would expect to put up big scoring numbers right away but his impact on a game will be felt tremendously nevertheless through his passing and superior game management.
I guess the point is I thought that comment was Smoke but based on how he plays I definitely think that could be true. He does not look like a Louisville guard at all to me. If he went to Ville he would end up at a SF or SG position imo despite what they might be telling him. The closest thing to the Triangle in college is the Princeton.
Family pressure probably keeps him home but think we have a punchers chance and might be the preferred destination if he choses to leave the state.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 12:34:27 GMT -5
Vs Labissierre
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Oct 30, 2014 12:35:01 GMT -5
Very nice analysis. Just hope he can make a clean entry pass to our bigs!!
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Post by lucky on Oct 30, 2014 12:51:28 GMT -5
Nice vid, always prefer game vid to highlight video. Kid is solid and passes very well, stays in control.
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Post by hoyabinx on Oct 30, 2014 12:54:35 GMT -5
I hate the feeling that we are one top guard (PJ Dozier) away from an incredible team in 2015-16. Imagine this lineup:
Dozier/Campbell DSR Peak/White Copeland/Cameron/Derrickson Hayes/Govan
The weakest link is the center position. But that is still manned by a senior Bradley Hayes, who I think will be very solid by then, and Govan. Without Dozier, we are thin at the guard spot. There are certainly a lot of minutes for Dozier to play along a ton of really, really good players. And god help us if DSR scores 20 a game this year and the NBA comes calling.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Oct 30, 2014 14:53:58 GMT -5
So the Hoyas247 writer just predicted that South Carolina would get him, despite the bias of being a Gtown reporter. Don't have access to their forum, but I'm not getting my hopes up - South Carolina and Louisville both strong possibilities (in addition to us). FWIW, he just got Chris Clarke wrong. He had him going to VT and he chose Tenn. Not picking on Bohlin (he is from SC, I believe, so maybe he has very good info). It's a great site and he does great work. Just you never know until they sign on the line which is dotted.
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Post by Talos on Oct 30, 2014 17:45:36 GMT -5
I don't understand why kids want to get berated by Frank Martin. Yeah, I wonder the same thing. At least with Bobby Knight, you got berated but you also got great coaching and won games!
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Post by tashoya on Oct 30, 2014 19:06:04 GMT -5
Very nice analysis. Just hope he can make a clean entry pass to our bigs!! Peak and Copeland say just throw it somewhere near the rim.
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