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Post by blueandgray on Jul 8, 2014 21:21:55 GMT -5
I must confess that I haven't read a single word in the last 3 pages of this thread ...but I am so over it and the staff has moved on. I think we all should too.
We've got the top player in the country who happens to play the same position giving Georgetown a hard look....let's move on and show the kid some love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 21:24:32 GMT -5
The two arguments out there are that his dream school -- Duke -- came calling or that Gtown was getting too loaded at forward/center and Dickerson didn't want to potentially sit the bench. With that in mind, it's interesting to consider the following inarguable points.
Duke hasn't offered him yet, so one has to wonder if he just really wasn't feeling Gtown for some reason once he visited or whether all it really took was the first hints of interest from Duke to get him to decommit. I'm not sure I buy the argument about our front-court being too loaded because Derrickson is more an inside-out 3/4 and Govan is a true 5. There would have certainly been minutes for Dickeson to play a power forward role and some spot minutes at center.
Also, it would be ridiculous to think he wont have to compete with a similarly stacked front court at Duke. Recruiting over players is what they do. If this kid wants to play at the D1 level, much less the NBA, he's gonna have to beat out talented guys.
Makes me think the kid just felt like he committed too early, didn't sufficiently go through the process, and felt like he had a good chance at his dream school. Also sounds like he wants Gtown to keep recruiting him which brings us back to the original status quo-- he probably likes Gtown 2nd best and wants us there as a backup for him.
Now, regarding MCI and Etomic's points about whether he went about it the right way, I tend to agree that him waiting to commit would have been the classy move. Nobody had a gun to his head and because of his decision we missed out on other top targets. No doubt he did the staff wrong after they were very very good to him. Now, having said all that, yes, he has a right to change his mind and at the very least it was good that he informed the staff sooner rather than later. It's called making the best of a bad situation. In economic/game theory terms, there are multiple decision points and his original decision to commit was not the optimal choice since he wasn't firm in his word, but at least he made the right choice at the sub-game level to backout instead of going with the flow and either decomitting late in the game or transferring out of the program after a year.
I guess all that can be said is that yes, he was ungracious/tracky about how he handled his recruitment, but there are worse things in the world than to have made a tacky choice at 17 years old....
The real question becomes whether Gtown should continue recruiting him and accept him back into the fold in case things with Duke don't work out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 21:29:30 GMT -5
I must confess that I haven't read a single word in the last 3 pages of this thread ...but I am so over it and the staff has moved on. I think we all should too. We've got the top player in the country who happens to play the same position giving Georgetown a hard look....let's move on and show the kid some love. B&G: I agree with you that we should move on and concentrate on Rabb -- even though I just made a long post on Dickerson. I do think the issue is interesting to fans because it isnt the first time -- nor will it likely be the last -- that a recruit decommits and it's an interesting issue for CBB fans to try to wrap their heads around. Especially in this case with him having just visited campus, the Motumbo connection, the rumors about our rival Duke swooping in and the otherwise recent success Gtown has garnered on the recruiting trail. Also, Dickerson -- as far as I've heard -- still wants to be recruited by Gtown and is still in the fold, albeit it's become pretty unlikely at this point....
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Post by tashoya on Jul 8, 2014 21:32:55 GMT -5
I don't recall reading or hearing that we stopped recruiting other guys when Noah committed. Am I wrong about that?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 8, 2014 22:23:48 GMT -5
I must confess that I haven't read a single word in the last 3 pages of this thread ...but I am so over it and the staff has moved on. I think we all should too. We've got the top player in the country who happens to play the same position giving Georgetown a hard look....let's move on and show the kid some love. Unfortunately moving on is not a HoyaTalk tradition. But we absolutely need to focus all of our good energies on Mr. Rabb.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 9, 2014 6:32:13 GMT -5
I must confess that I haven't read a single word in the last 3 pages of this thread ...but I am so over it and the staff has moved on. I think we all should too. We've got the top player in the country who happens to play the same position giving Georgetown a hard look....let's move on and show the kid some love. Unfortunately moving on is not a HoyaTalk tradition. But we absolutely need to focus all of our good energies on Mr. Rabb. That's because Hoyatalk is a discussion board Frazier.. Many of the posts over the last few pages are from posters who had never commented on the topic.. Shouldn't they be allowed to share an opinion? Not everyone visits the site as often as some of us.. All due respect to you & B&G but if you're over the topic then just move on and let others share their views until the topic dies out
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 9, 2014 6:56:31 GMT -5
Deke was born in Kinshasa and spends a lot of his time and money trying to better the lives of those still living in the DR of Congo. Do you really think he's concerned about a kid changing his mind about which highly-regarded university he's going to attend? This is getting really silly. I can't speak for Dikembe but of the kids of friends of similar ages that I have a relationship with, my first concern is them being happy with their decisions and their reasoning for the decisions they make. Outside of that, the decision is theirs and that of their parents. My opinion/approval means very little. It's not like Noah is a charity case that wasn't deserving of a scholarship until Deke swooped in and pleaded for Noah to get one. That can all be true but he can still be inwardly disappointed in the kid.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 9, 2014 8:43:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately moving on is not a HoyaTalk tradition. But we absolutely need to focus all of our good energies on Mr. Rabb. That's because Hoyatalk is a discussion board Frazier.. Many of the posts over the last few pages are from posters who had never commented on the topic.. Shouldn't they be allowed to share an opinion? Not everyone visits the site as often as some of us.. All due respect to you & B&G but if you're over the topic then just move on and let others share their views until the topic dies out Fair enough.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 9, 2014 9:22:50 GMT -5
Unfortunately moving on is not a HoyaTalk tradition. But we absolutely need to focus all of our good energies on Mr. Rabb. That's because Hoyatalk is a discussion board Frazier.. Many of the posts over the last few pages are from posters who had never commented on the topic.. Shouldn't they be allowed to share an opinion? Not everyone visits the site as often as some of us.. All due respect to you & B&G but if you're over the topic then just move on and let others share their views until the topic dies out Wow, touchy. I know you could not see my tongue in my cheek, but I was trying to touch with humor on our general tendency to beat topics to death. I did not mean to criticize those who still want to discuss Noah's decision, I had commented on it myself. After all, B&G and I were just sharing our views on people sharing their views!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 9, 2014 9:48:34 GMT -5
Deke was born in Kinshasa and spends a lot of his time and money trying to better the lives of those still living in the DR of Congo. Do you really think he's concerned about a kid changing his mind about which highly-regarded university he's going to attend? This is getting really silly. I can't speak for Dikembe but of the kids of friends of similar ages that I have a relationship with, my first concern is them being happy with their decisions and their reasoning for the decisions they make. Outside of that, the decision is theirs and that of their parents. My opinion/approval means very little. It's not like Noah is a charity case that wasn't deserving of a scholarship until Deke swooped in and pleaded for Noah to get one. That can all be true but he can still be inwardly disappointed in the kid. I doubt it. I suspect he may be disappointed that the kid may not attend Georgetown, but I also suspect that he wants Noah to have the opportunity to make the correct decision regarding his choice of school. I just don't see Deke being disappointed in the kid himself.
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Post by TC on Jul 9, 2014 9:51:47 GMT -5
Latavious, we're coming for you!
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 9, 2014 10:27:06 GMT -5
That can all be true but he can still be inwardly disappointed in the kid. I doubt it. I suspect he may be disappointed that the kid may not attend Georgetown, but I also suspect that he wants Noah to have the opportunity to make the correct decision regarding his choice of school. I just don't see Deke being disappointed in the kid himself. Neither you nor I are qualified to say what's going on in Deke's mind...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 9, 2014 10:51:20 GMT -5
Latavious, we're coming for you! Now that is ambitious!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 9, 2014 10:55:25 GMT -5
I doubt it. I suspect he may be disappointed that the kid may not attend Georgetown, but I also suspect that he wants Noah to have the opportunity to make the correct decision regarding his choice of school. I just don't see Deke being disappointed in the kid himself. Neither you nor I are qualified to say what's going on in Deke's mind... Fair enough. You are correct. And that's why I used the terms "doubt" and "suspect". Never said I was qualified to know what's going on in Deke's mind. Just offering my opinion, which obviously is different than yours.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 9, 2014 12:29:57 GMT -5
I don't recall reading or hearing that we stopped recruiting other guys when Noah committed. Am I wrong about that? We didn't stop recruiting bigs.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 9, 2014 12:36:39 GMT -5
I don't recall reading or hearing that we stopped recruiting other guys when Noah committed. Am I wrong about that? We didn't stop recruiting bigs. Thanks prhoya. I didn't think we had.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 9, 2014 12:50:22 GMT -5
The real question becomes whether Gtown should continue recruiting him and accept him back into the fold in case things with Duke don't work out. For me, the real question Noah has to answer is: if Rabb comes in too, and starts from Day 1, then how many minutes are available for Noah to earn at the 4 and 5, with the roster make-up of a senior Hayes, starters Copeland and White, Govan and Derrickson, and is he willing to live with that number? To answer, he needs to see what happens with Rabb and he knows we have a good chance of landing him. He will have to answer a similar "pt" question if he wants to play at Duke.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 9, 2014 13:44:55 GMT -5
Neither you nor I are qualified to say what's going on in Deke's mind... Fair enough. You are correct. And that's why I used the terms "doubt" and "suspect". Never said I was qualified to know what's going on in Deke's mind. Just offering my opinion, which obviously is different than yours. Yeah but if you reread my post all I offered was a possibility, using the term "can". Your post reads like it modified the possibility, not the actual content of what that possibility might be. I chalk it up to message board miscommunications
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 9, 2014 20:49:02 GMT -5
I think the Govan commitment may have had more to do with Noah's decision than the possibility of Duks showing up at his doorstep. I don't have any hard evidence (or soft evidence - in other words, I have no evidence) of this, but if he felt we recruited over him right away, which would likely result in reduced minutes, then it's hard to be too critical of him for his decision (bummer though it might be - I liked the idea of Govan and Dickerson sharing time at the 5). Time to move on. So now it's our fault? There's no need to apologize for him or blame the Hoyas. He made the decision and he has to live with the disappointment from Mutombo. Nowhere did I say or even intimate that it was our fault. I just wrote that he may have felt we recruited over him. We certainly did nothing wrong here. In fact, I'd say that if he thought we would stop recruiting bigs because he committed, that would be a very foolish conclusion (and I'm not saying he thought that - who knows?).
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 14, 2014 12:42:35 GMT -5
Staff continues to recruit Dickerson.
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