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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jul 7, 2013 20:10:47 GMT -5
Agree on Bowen and it's tough to be in a team like that. That said, Bowen's hard work needs to be done individually and not in a Kenner scenario. He needs repetition on his jumpers, dribbling drills,and continue to study JT3's defense and offense, etc... Yes, Kenner gametime is good, fun and could build confidence for some, but Bowen needs to continue to concentrate on his own hard work/improvement (a la Hibbert) and just enjoy Kenner. AB is doing fine and getting better mentally and physically...he's got a lot of experience under his belt now...I like his game against FGCU...he's ready...he's comfortable now too...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jul 7, 2013 20:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jul 7, 2013 20:26:45 GMT -5
John Caprio played really well today...love the way he feeds the post with bounce passes...my tweet today... John Caprio'sdribble drive dunkkkkkkkkkkk ooooweeeeee #Hoyas
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Post by calhoya on Jul 8, 2013 9:33:35 GMT -5
How did Hopkins look? Comments on other players from yesterday?
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Post by vv83 on Jul 8, 2013 10:14:12 GMT -5
Some impressions from Sunday's games
JOSH SMITH: (5 pts, 4 boards, 1 assist, 1 block, 4 TO) did not play well today. He will always be very tough in the post - he scored and got fouled pretty consistently when he got the ball down low. But he also turned the ball over a lot, getting stripped by the help defense most of the time when he overdribbled as he set up his post move (which really is just to power through the defender most of the time). He did not shoot his foul shots as well yesterday either. Defensively, it was pretty ugly. Any time he gets pulled away from the basket, he is likely to foul the offensive player when they drive on him. He does not move his feet well on D, and instead tends to grab/bump the offensive player. Had one or two good passes out of the post, but also threw a few away. not an instinctive passer. On the whole, not a real encouraging performance from Josh today.
DSR: (17 pts, 6 boards, 3 asst., 1 st, 4 TO)was really focused on getting the ball to Josh in the post early on. But this was not producing much, so eventually he started attacking more himself. Went to the foul line 9 times - but only made 6. DSR had a rep as a great foul shooter in high school, but he was only a little over 70% last year, and he was not sharp this weekend. Also struggled from deep (1-5 from 3). His shooting touch was off this weekend, and it seemed like he was working really hard most of the time to get Josh involved, which might have kept him from being as aggressive offensively as he usually is.
CAMERON: (11 pts, 2 boards, 1 st., 1 TO) 3-5 from 3, not much else. No doubt he is a very good outside shooter, but did not show much else this weekend.
TOMBS IN GENERAL: really weak game from the team yesterday. They lost by over 20, and were never really in the game. Seeing Cameron, Smith, and DSR play together- you can see the defensive limitations of playing three guys who are pretty average athletes together. They all struggle to keep ballhandlers in front of them, so the team defense was not strong this weekend.
DOMINGO: (19 pts, 6 boards, 2 assts, 1 block) I thought he played quite well. Very aggressive, especially early on. He hit a few outside shots (but was only 2-7 from 3). I was more impressed with his work attacking the basket and hitting pull up/driving jump shots in the mid range. He looked more athletic than I expected - not a great athlete, but a little bit of quickness and bounce. He went pretty hard on the boards and on D. He took a few bad threes - quick, contested shots that he missed. It looked like he really wanted to lead his team by playing aggressively. Of the small forward candidates (Domingo, Cameron, Bowen) - Domingo looked like he was the most ready to play significant real minutes.
HAYES: (14 points, 4 boards, 2 st, 1 bl, 2 TO) It was fun to finally get to see him play real minutes! He has a pretty nice jump hook, made a few with the right hand, put up a solid looking miss with the left hand. Also hit three foul line area jump shots. His footwork in the post was good - he established position, made his move quickly, and got off good shots on almost every post possession. Defensively, he has slow feet and is not yet instinctive. He seemed to be standing around a lot, not making decisive rotations. He also struggled badly to stay in front of anyone who could put the ball on the floor at all, often getting beaten off the dribble by mid-size bigs who had a little bit of ballhandling ability. So it was a mixed bag for Hayes, but the relative competence and confidence of his offensive game was encouraging.
AYEGBA: (4 points, 1 board, 2 bl) did not play very much. His team is good and has a lot of guys. He starts, but ends up spending long stretches on the bench. So it is hard to make any meaningful assessment.
TRAWICK: (10 pts, 4 boards, 4 asst, 1 bl) Solid all around game from Jabril, although he did commit a lot of fouls. He is developing pretty good "drive and kick" instincts. His outside shot is still iffy - 0-2 on sunday from 3, 1-6 for the weekend. I would think that Jabril will be in attack mode more on offense this year, using his strength attacking the basket to create opportunities for himself and kick out shooters. that is definitely the strength of his offensive game, and he used it well this weekend.
HOPKINS: (14 pts, 6 boards, 3 assists, 1 st, 4 bl, 5 TO) he put up a lot of numbers, both good and bad! He was active all game, with some good stretches and some bad stretches in terms of finishing. Frustrating that he is around a lot of defensive boards, but often is not quite able to haul them in. He had a couple of turnovers in the final minutes, when his team was trying to close out the game with a solid lead, that were frustrating to the coach - not displaying a great feel for situational decision making. But overall, he was active throughout both games this weekend, and pretty effective in stretches
CAPRIO (4 points, 7 boards, 7 assts, 4 st, 2 TOs) it is scary to say this, but Caprio might have played better than any other hoya yesterday. He was aggressive and confident, made good decisions, pushed the ball upcourt at every opportunity. He passed the ball really well - could have had a few more assists in transition, but the guy he passed to got fouled rather than converting the contested layup. He hit the only two shots he took, and got into the passing lanes consistently for steals. He had the play of the day - a driving lefty dunk that got the crowd on its feet. I can see why Thompson gave Caprio a little meaningful time last year. He played hard, smart, and effectively in this semi-"practice" type setting. If he plays like this in practice regularly, a coach would have to be impressed. But in a real game against big east level competition, the physical talent is a bit too much for him most of the time, the game is just a bit too fast. Still, given the loss of whittington and the mixed bag we have in our more athletically gifted SF candidates - I would not be at all surprised if Caprio gets some non-garbage time again this year, especially early in the season.
STARKS and LUBICK: not there on sunday for DCX. Starks is at the LeBron camp (or some camp, i think it is the LeBron camp), not sure where Lubick is.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 8, 2013 10:19:45 GMT -5
Hayes was killing me yesterday. He needs to attack the ball on defense and on rebounding. He's an athletic 7 footer who just stands around. Do something!
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Post by deacon on Jul 8, 2013 10:54:47 GMT -5
Thanks vv83 for the recap, much appreciated.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 8, 2013 11:02:25 GMT -5
Thanks to all who posted recaps. Much appreciated.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jul 8, 2013 11:05:49 GMT -5
Thanks vv83 for the recap, much appreciated. +1
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 8, 2013 11:23:49 GMT -5
Hayes was killing me yesterday. He needs to attack the ball on defense and on rebounding. He's an athletic 7 footer who just stands around. Do something! If he hit 3 foul line jumpers yesterday then he's already ahead of Nate, Moses & Hopkins in the potential department imo... His stats yesterday looked like a very good starting point for the summer. I think time on the court & coaching is all he needs, we have to remember that he hasn't played much basketball the last few years. He missed his entire sophomore year in HS due to a broken leg, he missed all but the final 5 games of his junior year due to academics and then missed all of last summer with an injury. Not to mention he had a huge growth spurt in HS and he's still just 18 years old.. I really believe he can become a productive player here..
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Post by calhoya on Jul 8, 2013 14:07:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates from all who attended. Does the absence of any mention indicate that Bowen did not play yesterday?
As for Smith, nothing stated so far is surprising or unanticipated. You simply cannot be that large and have the quickness necessary to play defense away from the basket. The issue is really has the kid lost weight and is he committed to losing more to get into reasonable shape by January. Sounds like JT III has plans to use him this year. I have read comments suggesting that he is losing weight and others seem to suggest that he is still not looking any slimmer or better conditioned. While the season is still far away, in the world of weight loss, 6 months is not a very long time.
With respect to other comments from vv83, what exactly do you mean in stating that Cameron did not show much else this weekend other than deep shooting? Does this mean that he looked bad as a defender/rebounder/distributor, or simply did not standout in any of these areas?
As for Domingo, it is not surprising that he showed the energy level and commitment described. You could see in him last year the same "lost look" that Bowen has reflected at times. Playing time and maturity are going to help that situation considerably. But what exactly did he do to warrant the comment that he looks more prepared to play significant minutes than Bowen or Cameron?
Finally, I am certain I have missed it, but is there any explanation for the limited time given to Moses thus far? Is his play part of the problem or is he simply not getting the chance? Thanks in advance for the responses.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 8, 2013 14:33:53 GMT -5
In the world of weight loss, for a guy that big carrying that much extra weight, a strict 3,000 calorie/day diet high in protein, low in carbs and sugar, coupled with rigorous lifting and cardio programs, would result in 30-50 pounds weight loss in 2-4 months, pretty easily.
He's got to want it and the Hoyas have to help provide the motivation/incentives and the means to do it.
It can be done, but it can't really wait much longer.
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Post by calhoya on Jul 8, 2013 14:37:41 GMT -5
In the world of weight loss, for a guy that big carrying that much extra weight, a strict 3,000 calorie/day diet high in protein, low in carbs and sugar, coupled with rigorous lifting and cardio programs, would result in 30-50 pounds weight loss in 2-4 months, pretty easily. He's got to want it and the Hoyas have to help provide the motivation/incentives and the means to do it. It can be done, but it can't really wait much longer. Amen on this. What is worrisome is that the descriptions of his play could have been written a year ago by UCLA fans. He was never sleighted for skill, but for effort and endurance. Hopefully, the light bulb is on and he is working hard. Without him fully engaged and contributing, the center position could be very problemmatic.
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Post by CaliHoya on Jul 8, 2013 14:46:12 GMT -5
More on Markel at LeBron camp:
Coach John Lucas @coachjohnlucas1 18h Markel Starks from Georgetown has been very impressive with his leadership n ability to run offense
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Post by prhoya on Jul 8, 2013 14:48:38 GMT -5
More on Markel at LeBron camp: Coach John Lucas @coachjohnlucas1 18h Markel Starks from Georgetown has been very impressive with his leadership n ability to run offense Love it! BE First Team.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jul 8, 2013 14:51:02 GMT -5
Guys, thanks for the coverage of Kenner. Nothing seems surprising so far. I would like to know what's going on with Lubick. Really hope he is practicing his mid range jumpers. The main report has me feeling a little bit worried about people we really need contributions from in the upcoming season. We need Ayegbe and Bowen to come on strong. Again, thanks!
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Post by vv83 on Jul 8, 2013 15:18:42 GMT -5
On Cameron - he simply did not try to do much on offense other than shoot open jumpers. He rarely tried to put the ball on the floor. no big mistakes, just did not do much to impact the game offensively other than hit a number of threes. Defensively - he struggled a bit to defend players off the bounce, and did not seem to get many rebounds other than those that were right in his area. Again, not a whole lot of impact defensively or on the boards.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 8, 2013 16:34:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the reports! I'm sure everyone's defense will tighten up once JTIII gets his hands on them and they practice team schemes. Great to hear about Domingo stepping up, it seems like we will either have high energy in Stephen and Bowen or a sharpshooter in Cameron at the 3 this year. Not too worried about Lubick missing Kenner, every previous year that he has missed it he is somewhere else improving his game. Smith does concern me, he may not be automatically our best full time 5 when he comes back. Wish Moses would get more time, he needs confidence and PT. The foursome of Hayes, Moses, Hop, and Smith will be a force to be reckoned with. Speaking of Hop, lets pray for consistency and no good hop/bad hop.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 8, 2013 16:56:43 GMT -5
Guys, thanks for the coverage of Kenner. Nothing seems surprising so far. I would like to know what's going on with Lubick. Really hope he is practicing his mid range jumpers. The main report has me feeling a little bit worried about people we really need contributions from in the upcoming season. We need Ayegbe and Bowen to come on strong. Again, thanks! Why are you worried? Most summers we get KL reports from the masses that stress how the players are kind of disappointing, have a bunch of flaws to work out and are not where we expect (hope) them to be. And then some of those same players go out and make positive contributions to successful teams during the BE regular season. Why should it be any different now? Heck, KL performances are almost a lose-lose situation. If the players fail to live up to expectations in the KL it portends a rough season ahead. If the players perform well in the KL people go around reminding folks that we shouldn't make any Final Four reservations based upon play in a summer league. As for Bowen what has he done wrong that should concerns anyone? The dude has barely played so far this summer. As for Nate...well, he almost always pulls a no-show in the first week or two of the KL. Nothing has changed here. Frankly he and Bowen should probably switch teams. At least Bowen is ready to put in the work.
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Post by saxagael on Jul 8, 2013 19:31:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates from all who attended. Does the absence of any mention indicate that Bowen did not play yesterday? As for Smith, nothing stated so far is surprising or unanticipated. You simply cannot be that large and have the quickness necessary to play defense away from the basket. The issue is really has the kid lost weight and is he committed to losing more to get into reasonable shape by January. Sounds like JT III has plans to use him this year. I have read comments suggesting that he is losing weight and others seem to suggest that he is still not looking any slimmer or better conditioned. While the season is still far away, in the world of weight loss, 6 months is not a very long time. With respect to other comments from vv83, what exactly do you mean in stating that Cameron did not show much else this weekend other than deep shooting? Does this mean that he looked bad as a defender/rebounder/distributor, or simply did not standout in any of these areas? As for Domingo, it is not surprising that he showed the energy level and commitment described. You could see in him last year the same "lost look" that Bowen has reflected at times. Playing time and maturity are going to help that situation considerably. But what exactly did he do to warrant the comment that he looks more prepared to play significant minutes than Bowen or Cameron? Finally, I am certain I have missed it, but is there any explanation for the limited time given to Moses thus far? Is his play part of the problem or is he simply not getting the chance? Thanks in advance for the responses. That background showed yesterday. Hayes plays like he grew up as a 3 not a big man. He gets up and down the court well for a 7 footer. His offense is nice, but could use a lot more reps and reps in a pressured offense. Where Hayes had difficulties was on defense. A few of the plays he was covering the offense's right wing in the corner. He really needs coaching on his defense. His hips were tight, was flat footer, and hands and elbows in. His man dribbled for openings and got them. Hayes was blown for hand pushing the lower back of his man, which he was as he didn't defend well outside. This is fixable with coaching and reps. But, if Hayes gets playing time I don't expect he will be out on the wings a lot, but the nature of Kenner League rules keep defensive players out of the paint and from camping out near it. Hayes inside defense needs some work as well, as at 7 feet he should be a bit more imposing inside, I think Georgetown may know some people with experience playing in that role who may be able to give pointers and get training drills set for Bradley to greatly improve this part of his game. What Bradley showed yesterday was ahead of what Roy was doing going into his Junior year on offense, but a bit behind on defense. Given that he can get up and down the court well and the other benefits of his game it could be nice to see him time smaller Big East teams some headaches. Hopkins yesterday was shooting well from out at the 3 line (arches on the line and making them when left wide open). He was playing like a drifting wing power forward, not so much like a big man in the middle. I'm really interested to see how all play as Kenner moves forward, but not as much as what happens when they are assembled as a team and playing together.
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