SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 23, 2005 16:00:10 GMT -5
Ray Ray isn't allowed to shoot. That's why he doesn't force up shots. I'm sorry, but if your handing the keys to your team's offense over to Ray "I used to be out of control all the time, but now I'm only out of control half the time" Reed, well, then you're either desperate or stupid. Or both. That being said, Reed has made a lot of improvement on not going into "streetball mode" and has played some pretty good defense. But the guy is just a black hole offensively due to his lack of any kind of shot. Ray has his weaknesses -- that'd mainly be his shot and an overblown sense of his one on one skills -- but in addition to being the best small guard defender on the team, he's also the best passer of the guards. He's the only person on the team who has exhibited any real above average court vision. I don't know about starting. He needs to be a threat from 3, I think. But he's got a lot of value, esp. since freshmen tend to be weak defenders.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 23, 2005 16:40:46 GMT -5
Ray has his weaknesses -- that'd mainly be his shot and an overblown sense of his one on one skills -- but in addition to being the best small guard defender on the team, he's also the best passer of the guards. He's the only person on the team who has exhibited any real above average court vision. I don't know about starting. He needs to be a threat from 3, I think. But he's got a lot of value, esp. since freshmen tend to be weak defenders. I don't mind him coming off the bench to play some defense (though I think he gets credited w/ being a lock down defender when he's really just a pretty good one--the best on the team, but no Bruce Bowen). THe problem I have with him is that whenever he has the ball, I start saying things like "pass it...don't shoot....no, no, give it up....don't shoot. DON'T SHOOT". I say similar things when it looks like Amadou is going to try and do something on offensive. IF he continues to improve, he'll be a nice role player (a quality defensive sub), but I can't see Reed ever becoming more than that.
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Post by aggypryd on Mar 23, 2005 16:46:46 GMT -5
wallace is just not good enough for this level. i have never, ever seen a poing guard so bad at georgetown. Smitty wasn't that great his freshman year...but who else would you want running the point in the late 80's?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 23, 2005 17:12:53 GMT -5
I don't mind him coming off the bench to play some defense (though I think he gets credited w/ being a lock down defender when he's really just a pretty good one--the best on the team, but no Bruce Bowen). THe problem I have with him is that whenever he has the ball, I start saying things like "pass it...don't shoot....no, no, give it up....don't shoot. DON'T SHOOT". I say similar things when it looks like Amadou is going to try and do something on offensive. IF he continues to improve, he'll be a nice role player (a quality defensive sub), but I can't see Reed ever becoming more than that. There was a stretch where he was a fantastic playmaker -- dishing assists, driving and scoring. It was only three games or so, but like Jon Wallace, Ray's got weaknesses but potential.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 23, 2005 22:49:48 GMT -5
wallace is just not good enough for this level. i have never, ever seen a poing guard so bad at georgetown. i hate to talk like that about the kid since he's only a freshman but he has shown me absolutely nothing all year. he's not a creator for the rest of the team, he can't defend and he makes bad decisions. i hope and pray we get a REAL point in theere next year, this team has some potential. To say Wallace is not good enough for this level is rather harsh and unfounded, especially after he shoots 5 of 7 for 12 points. There is no doubt that Wallace is a contributor not a detractor from this team. This season he was a walk-on forced to play more minutes than he was prepared for, but he handled it very well. Jon will continue to develop into a very effective back-up PG or SG because he can shoot the ball and plays in a way that brings calm to the court. To make a blanket statement about a freshman like this assumes that he will not improve over the next three years. The Eserick era is OVER, our guys will actually improve as they mature now! I'm curious why you feel this way? I look at the stats and for a freshman I feel good about Jon's season. Besides slow feet, there is nothing that worries me about Wallace.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 24, 2005 0:37:37 GMT -5
From above..."The Eserick era is OVER, our guys will actually improve as they mature now!" Remember all the discussions on this board throughout the Esherick years re: this topic? I'm excited to see how this year's players improve with JIII leading the way. We've gone from hopeless to hopeful in less than a year!
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 24, 2005 1:53:50 GMT -5
wallace is just not good enough for this level. i have never, ever seen a poing guard so bad at georgetown. i hate to talk like that about the kid since he's only a freshman but he has shown me absolutely nothing all year. he's not a creator for the rest of the team, he can't defend and he makes bad decisions. i hope and pray we get a REAL point in theere next year, this team has some potential. Thats definitly too harsh. He is definitly not that bad. He's servicable. Was he a standout? No. He was very mediocre, but hes also a FRESHMAN. He has looked very bad on defense at times, but overall he was thrown into a difficult situation and did well. You cant have been watching for more than a year or two if you've never seen a worse PG. He's a very solid player and person. He's not a superstar, and likely wont become one, but hes definitly going to be an asset to the team over his time at GU. As for starters next year, its anyones guess. Cook will start, and his backcourt mate is anyones guess. Sapp? Thornton? Egerson? Tyler? Jon? RayRay? Darell? 3 starting spots are certain (barring injury) and 2 are up for grabs, 1 in the frontcourt, 1 in the back. My guess is that Sapp will win the job, but RayRay and Jon both get a good amount of minutes at the 1, Jon for experience with the O and shooting touch, RayRay for defensive pressure. But who knows? Maybe Jon will improve his quickness this offseason, and maybe his good relationship will lead to much better passes with Roy Jeff and Tyler after some more summer league play. Maybe RayRay will show the shooting touch he had in high school, and learn to play under control offensively. Maybe Josh Thornton will come in with better ball handling skills than anticipated and turn out to be national ROY. I mean, who the heck knows? Anythings possible, but lets not knock Jon for a hard fought season in which he did all he was asked.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 24, 2005 10:14:25 GMT -5
Ray Ray isn't allowed to shoot. That's why he doesn't force up shots. I'm sorry, but if your handing the keys to your team's offense over to Ray "I used to be out of control all the time, but now I'm only out of control half the time" Reed, well, then you're either desperate or stupid. Or both. That being said, Reed has made a lot of improvement on not going into "streetball mode" and has played some pretty good defense. But the guy is just a black hole offensively due to his lack of any kind of shot. I have to disagree as Reed appears to be progressing lately. While he has one of the worst looking outside shots on the team, he is actually starting to show some things with penetration and finishing or dishing. That is not a black hole on offense. A black hole is someone who gets the ball and the next person to touch it is the other team via a rebound or turnover because they force the action. Ray isn't forcing the action and given the way we work the shot clock, his penetration ability is a strength that should be developed in my opinion.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 24, 2005 12:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 24, 2005 13:43:16 GMT -5
I hope no matter what happens that we end up with 8 solid, consistent players in the rotation next year. This year we basically had three. I'm not talking about guys having one bad game from time to time, I'm talking about guys not showing up/underperforming for three out of four games during certain stretches.
Whether we get that 8 by Reed/Wallace/Owens improving next year and/or by more talented recruits coming in and grabbing minutes and/or by Crawford getting more of an opportunity, I really don't care.
As for this year, I had low expectations of Wallace and he surpassed them by having an occasional great game mixed in with a lot of average games and a few below average games. I don't fault him for that; I'm sure he did his best and it wasn't as if we had any options coming off the bench. Next year, I hope we have enough talent that the minutes he gets are 100% earned, and not out of a lack of other options.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 24, 2005 13:56:31 GMT -5
When you talk about depth, whether Wallace, Owens, Ray or the freshmen, the key will be consistency. We're going to have more than enough players next year to go to a solid eight man rotation, if you can pick the eight men.
The issue is that if the players are as inconsistent next year as they were this one, you're still going to have issues. Having 10 players to fit 8 spots is nice, but if DJ isn't playing well, you can't know that before you put him in.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 24, 2005 14:02:07 GMT -5
Sure, that's part of the reason that if Owens leaves I won't be too sad. He's had some big moments and a few nice games. But those games are sporadic. There's no reason to think that that is going to change after four years at Georgetown. I'd rather take a chance that a younger player can be an outside shooting threat on a consistent basis. Give me unknown over inconsistent.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 25, 2005 8:27:53 GMT -5
wallace is a bench player, plain and simple. he proved it with his horrible play the last month + of the season and last night against sc. having one good game won't change the fact that he is horrible defensively and is not a good enough shooter to warrant a starting spot next season with sapp and thornton coming in.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 25, 2005 8:57:17 GMT -5
You don't even know what Sapp & Thornton will be able to do shooting the ball until they are in college........JERRY NICHOLS!
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 25, 2005 11:31:20 GMT -5
i'm more worried about defense. wallace couldn't guard a chair. you should at least wait for sapp and/or thornton to play badly before you trash them.
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