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Post by richfame on Mar 9, 2013 22:01:54 GMT -5
Looking at the projected NBA draft, 10 out of the first 11 slots are under classmen, mostly Freshman. This is killing the college game. I know we cant go back to the 1980's and early 90's when the best players seemed to stay 3 to 4 years but something has to be done for the good of the game and players.
Take this year for example, the talent is so young. Imagine guys like Porter, Noel and Muhammad all staying to at least there JR year. It seems like here at Georgetown we are always a player away. This is either due to graduation or early exits. Imagine this year with Hollis or next year with OTTO. I wish something can be done. Its becoming impossible for a coach to build a team year in and year out and compete for a title. Not even the super powers like Duke, Unc and Kentucky can do it even when the have there pick of the talent pool.
I really hate where Major College basketball is headed. That being said I am enjoying our hoyas and pray OTTO stays one more year because with him, an the rest of our returning players, and a motivated Josh Smith were looking at a possible National title...
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Post by This Just In on Mar 9, 2013 23:12:38 GMT -5
Looking at the projected NBA draft, 10 out of the first 11 slots are under classmen, mostly Freshman. This is killing the college game. I know we cant go back to the 1980's and early 90's when the best players seemed to stay 3 to 4 years but something has to be done for the good of the game and players.
Take this year for example, the talent is so young. Imagine guys like Porter, Noel and Muhammad all staying to at least there JR year. It seems like here at Georgetown we are always a player away. This is either due to graduation or early exits. Imagine this year with Hollis or next year with OTTO. I wish something can be done. Its becoming impossible for a coach to build a team year in and year out and compete for a title. Not even the super powers like Duke, Unc and Kentucky can do it even when the have there pick of the talent pool.
I really hate where Major College basketball is headed. That being said I am enjoying our hoyas and pray OTTO stays one more year because with him, an the rest of our returning players, and a motivated Josh Smith were looking at a possible National title... Simple fix, the NBA needs to adopt the NFL rule where a player needs to be 3 years removed from highschool. Or the NCAA can adopt the baseball rule of go Pro out of highschool if you can (good luck with that) or stay 3 years in college. That 1996 year when we went to the Elite 8 with Iverson, Page, (JYD) Williams, Harrington, I think Don Reid was also that team too just to lose to UMASS's Calipari and Marcus Camby...still bothers me.. I was so so excited for the upcoming season until Iverson announced that he would be the first player ever to leave Georgetown early..that was a tough blow. Nowadays, Georgetown does not get the 1 and dones anyways, the exception was Greg Monroe and now that is 4 years ago.... if anything the one and done rule has brought parity to college basketball and has helped the Hoyas stay relevant in the National Picture which to me is a good thing. Now if you are Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky then yea you should be crying, i.e. last year's Kentucky team would be favorites this year again to win it all. |
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Post by emkmd on Mar 9, 2013 23:48:27 GMT -5
Monroe was not a one and done, he stayed two years. We lost to umass that year but they forfeited their wins: www.nytimes.com/1997/05/09/sports/umass-and-uconn-lose-96-honors.htmlAny player who is good enough, thinks he is, oris told he is is going to jump to the nba. However, Don't forget about Roy who cold have gone in the draft with green but stayed an extra year and actually wint lower than where he was projected the year before. |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 10, 2013 0:26:11 GMT -5
Monroe was not a one and done, he stayed two years. We lost to umass that year but they forfeited their wins:
www.nytimes.com/1997/05/09/sports/umass-and-uconn-lose-96-honors.html
Any player who is good enough, thinks he is, oris told he is is going to jump to the nba. However, Don't forget about Roy who cold have gone in the draft with green but stayed an extra year and actually wint lower than where he was projected the year before. Understand Monore was not a 1 and done, I was saying he was that type of recruit...Monroe could have left after his Freshman year |
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Post by 3xhoya on Mar 10, 2013 7:21:02 GMT -5
\ Simple fix, the NBA needs to adopt the NFL rule where a player needs to be 3 years removed from highschool. Or the NCAA can adopt the baseball rule of go Pro out of highschool if you can (good luck with that) or stay 3 years in college. This is what needs to be done. Let these kids go the NBA out of high school but if they commit to college then they stay three years. This is also better for the NBA. They will get players that are more ready to compete in the NBA and who are more well known. |
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 10, 2013 8:50:15 GMT -5
What needs to be done is the NCAA and NBA agree to a go straight to the pros or do 2 yrs of college deal. If you make it 3 yrs then none of the great high schoolers are coming to college and you would end up with the same problem the NBA had before they changed the rule. Also you have to realize that GTown isn't the only school to benefit from the rule. For example UNC would add Harrison Barnes and Kendall Marshall back to this team with a 3 yr rule. Kentucky would add everyone but Davis and Miller( Davis probably would have gone straight to the league). Does GTown get GMonroe if he knows he has to stay 3 yrs?
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Post by calhoya on Mar 10, 2013 10:08:12 GMT -5
Sadly, it is a no-win situation. If you require them to stay more than two years, many will play in Europe. It is a matter of job opportunities for these kids, many of whom are from dirt poor backgrounds. I hate to lose a great player like Porter, but how can you deny them the opportunity to make a living with a skill that rapidly diminishes over a very short shelf-life. Do we require academic scholarship students to stay a minimum length of time? Should athletes be precluded from experiencing any part of college life because they might want to leave early? The solution is to enforce rules about being a student. Players in their first two years should have to take a basic curriculuum and not a series of online courses or other courses tailored to maintain eligibility. If the swimmers and track kids can do it so too can the basketball and football players.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 10, 2013 12:09:42 GMT -5
If anything the one and done is to our advantage. We have a great coach eho gets more out less talent and manages to crack the top 10 every year. Get good 4 year guys, ie Starks, dsr, trawick....mix in some kids with NBA potential (Greg Whittington, Josh Smith and Isaac Copleland) and you've got as good a chance as anyone....see goergetown, miami, gonzaga.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 10, 2013 12:35:15 GMT -5
They need to adopt a hockey route. Let them get drafted out of high school but then they have the option of going the college route for 1 or 2 years. No scholarship, the NBA teams pay their schooling for 4 years.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 10, 2013 13:50:52 GMT -5
They need to adopt a hockey route. Let them get drafted out of high school but then they have the option of going the college route for 1 or 2 years. No scholarship, the NBA teams pay their schooling for 4 years. So in hockey...if you are not drafted, how long do you have to stay in college? |
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Post by IDenj on Mar 10, 2013 14:04:38 GMT -5
You can be drafted and still go to college. You can attend camps for the NHL team but you have to pay your own way. Most hockey players are playing junior hockey when they get drafted.
I think the NHL team holds your rights for four years. When you graduate they have to sign you by June 1 or you become UFA. But at that point you and te team know your future. You can leave at any point and sign a pro contract. Maybe they should make a rule in college you can't leave mid season.
And you have 4 years of eligibility like all other sports.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 10, 2013 19:00:47 GMT -5
That 1996 year when we went to the Elite 8 with Iverson, Page, (JYD) Williams, Harrington, I think Don Reid was also that team too just to lose to UMASS's Calipari and Marcus Camby...still bothers me.. Don Reid was already with the Pistons at that point, but young Jahidi White was on the squad as well. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 10, 2013 19:02:17 GMT -5
They need to adopt a hockey route. Let them get drafted out of high school but then they have the option of going the college route for 1 or 2 years. No scholarship, the NBA teams pay their schooling for 4 years. Wasn't Larry Bird drafted by Red Auerbach as a Junior and then had Bird's rights all through Bird's senior season? |
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 10, 2013 19:33:27 GMT -5
The NBA does not want to be in the business anymore of scouting players in high school gyms. That's one main reason why it got rid of the straight-out-of-high-school option. David Stern would prefer that players don't enter the NBA draft until two years removed from graduating high school. He almost got his way in the last rounds of collective bargaining but with the NBA shutdown last year that whole debate got lost as a priority. The two-year rule may happen in the near future but I doubt the NBA is going to go back to allowing high school kids to enter the draft directly again.
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 10, 2013 20:20:10 GMT -5
I think the "problem" is overstated. College basketball (like all college athletics) is and always has been about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. While it is true that the skill level would be higher with the best players staying in college, if we wanted that, we could watch the NBA. College basketball is as good as ever.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 10, 2013 20:50:17 GMT -5
It's as entertaining as ever. I'll give you that.
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Post by richfame on Mar 10, 2013 21:06:16 GMT -5
I think the "problem" is overstated. College basketball (like all college athletics) is and always has been about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. While it is true that the skill level would be higher with the best players staying in college, if we wanted that, we could watch the NBA. College basketball is as good as ever. How can you say college basketball is as good as ever? Sure we root for the front of the jersey but the level of talent is not as good nor is the consistency. I'm sure if I was a coach or recruiter I'd hate the way things are these days. Having to rebuild your team every two years rather than adding a guy or two is consistent pressure. |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 10, 2013 21:08:20 GMT -5
You can be drafted and still go to college. You can attend camps for the NHL team but you have to pay your own way. Most hockey players are playing junior hockey when they get drafted.
I think the NHL team holds your rights for four years. When you graduate they have to sign you by June 1 or you become UFA. But at that point you and te team know your future. You can leave at any point and sign a pro contract. Maybe they should make a rule in college you can't leave mid season. And you have 4 years of eligibility like all other sports. Thanks for the info..so I'll take it then that if you go to college undrafted you can turn pro after a year? |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 10, 2013 21:11:53 GMT -5
That 1996 year when we went to the Elite 8 with Iverson, Page, (JYD) Williams, Harrington, I think Don Reid was also that team too just to lose to UMASS's Calipari and Marcus Camby...still bothers me..
Don Reid was already with the Pistons at that point, but young Jahidi White was on the squad as well. [/b][/quote] Hey..u got a good memory..I don't even remember Jahidi White on that team...he must have just been riding the bench at that point of his career. The thing about Jahidi that stood out the most to me was when John Thompson Jr. let him wear Ewing/Mourning...number 33 Jersey. Side note: That #33 Jersey needs to be retired. What is the hold up? |
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Post by hoyadestroya on Mar 10, 2013 21:15:28 GMT -5
I don't think you ever retire the number. Because of its great legacy you use it as a recruiting tool. Pull out a jersey with the big recruit's name and the #33 on the back of it and have a pen ready for the signing.
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