deacon
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Post by deacon on Feb 26, 2013 21:55:31 GMT -5
Ah I dont get that. I just think Benimon was a product of being held back in our type of offense. Good for him though Benimon has always done well vs inferior competition. He had monster stats at Winchester high school. The CAA is an inferior league now, especially without VCU and Larranaga gone from George Masn. Benimon still averages 3.8 turnovers a game which is extremely high for a forward. So I'm not convinced that he can play well vs elite level competition. Good for him though. Sometimes you need playing time to increase your value to play professionally in Europe. Just look at Omar Wattad at Tennessee-Chatanooga and now playing pro in Europe. Nah, he's completely transformed his body and has elevated his game to another level. Wattad was essentially the same player after he left, Jerrelle isn't.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 26, 2013 22:05:27 GMT -5
Good for Xavier, they needed that. Tough year for them, but a solid program, they'll be back and will be a fantastic addition to our conference.
Memphis and Temple will be nice additions for the Big East's transition season next year, but after that, so long...
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 26, 2013 22:08:38 GMT -5
Benimon played well against us. Of course, we were hardly elite at the time. ;D
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 26, 2013 22:13:52 GMT -5
Benimon has always done well vs inferior competition. He had monster stats at Winchester high school. The CAA is an inferior league now, especially without VCU and Larranaga gone from George Masn. Benimon still averages 3.8 turnovers a game which is extremely high for a forward. So I'm not convinced that he can play well vs elite level competition. Good for him though. Sometimes you need playing time to increase your value to play professionally in Europe. Just look at Omar Wattad at Tennessee-Chatanooga and now playing pro in Europe. Thank you. Exactly what I was about to post in that inane, 2-man thread in the Pro & Coll board. It's great that Benimon is playing well for Benimon, but no one should be confused for one minute that his statistical success against a down-CAA is the same as playing well in the Big East. Well, he sure gave the Hoyas a tough game. Besides his numbers are too good to ignore regardless of the conference he is in. Would he put up stats like that in the Big East? Proably not. But Damian Lillard may not have put up as good stats as well if he had played in the Big East. Doesn’t make him any lesser a player.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 26, 2013 22:38:23 GMT -5
Thank you. Exactly what I was about to post in that inane, 2-man thread in the Pro & Coll board. It's great that Benimon is playing well for Benimon, but no one should be confused for one minute that his statistical success against a down-CAA is the same as playing well in the Big East. Well, he sure gave the Hoyas a tough game. Besides his numbers are too good to ignore regardless of the conference he is in. Would he put up stats like that in the Big East? Proably not. But Damian Lillard may not have put up as good stats as well if he had played in the Big East. Doesn’t make him any lesser a player. They lost to us. That's the bottom line. If you have the green light to shoot you can rack up stats but that doesn't prove you can play vs elite level competition, especially if you lose. I doubt Bennimon will make the NBA. High turnover rate, low free throw percentage in a mid major conference with a below the rim game isn't going to get you into the League. Lubick is a much better player going up against Big East competition. The idea that we would some how be better off with Bennimon than Lubick is silly.
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 26, 2013 22:45:48 GMT -5
Tennessee would be up by 20 if they could hit some free throws.
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Post by Deez Scruggs on Feb 26, 2013 22:49:50 GMT -5
Tennessee up on Florida. Great for us. Florida will likely allow almost 2x as many points as we gave up to UT. I was at the Bataan game in Jacksonville and it still burns that we couldn't finish it and at least get UF on our schedule. I think there's a good shot we woiuld have beat them.
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 26, 2013 23:03:01 GMT -5
Tenn. holds on for the win as well. So #1 and #5 lost.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 26, 2013 23:04:00 GMT -5
FL goes down.
Take care of business this week and were still moving up.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 26, 2013 23:06:30 GMT -5
Florida is #8 in the AP we're already ahead of them. But this was a great win for us. Tennessee is nearing top 50 in the RPI and this will get them even closer.
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Post by hoyas1995 on Feb 26, 2013 23:16:10 GMT -5
Florida is #8 in the AP we're already ahead of them. But this was a great win for us. Tennessee is nearing top 50 in the RPI and this will get them even closer. Dont they count the win we had in December against them towards where their RPI was then?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2013 23:22:07 GMT -5
Florida is #8 in the AP we're already ahead of them. But this was a great win for us. Tennessee is nearing top 50 in the RPI and this will get them even closer. Dont they count the win we had in December against them towards where their RPI was then? No. All the RPIs and records versus are using the most up to date info.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 26, 2013 23:22:52 GMT -5
Florida is #8 in the AP we're already ahead of them. But this was a great win for us. Tennessee is nearing top 50 in the RPI and this will get them even closer. Dont they count the win we had in December against them towards where their RPI was then? No only end of the RPI matters not their RPI when we played.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Feb 26, 2013 23:45:36 GMT -5
Benimon played at Fauquier High School not Winchester High School. He's from where I live.
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Post by birdman on Feb 26, 2013 23:53:19 GMT -5
Thank you. Exactly what I was about to post in that inane, 2-man thread in the Pro & Coll board. It's great that Benimon is playing well for Benimon, but no one should be confused for one minute that his statistical success against a down-CAA is the same as playing well in the Big East. Well, he sure gave the Hoyas a tough game. Besides his numbers are too good to ignore regardless of the conference he is in. Would he put up stats like that in the Big East? Proably not. But Damian Lillard may not have put up as good stats as well if he had played in the Big East. Doesn’t make him any lesser a player. Damian Lillard wasn't a 6'7" turnover-prone, low-percentage-shooting power forward. If you wanted Benimon instead of Otto, just say so; you clearly have made the argument in your own head.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 27, 2013 5:23:24 GMT -5
That Tennessee win isn't looking so bad now.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 27, 2013 8:04:13 GMT -5
That Tennessee win isn't looking so bad now. To be fair, it was a depleted Florida team that faced Tennessee last night. Not that anyone will remember to punish Georgetown for that when Selection Sunday arrives ;D
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Post by GPHoya on Feb 27, 2013 8:45:16 GMT -5
Benimon had a decent freshman year playing a limited role as a rebounder and enforcer on a soft team.
He did not advance as a sophomore and the consensus of this Board was that III gave him too many minutes because of his offensive limitations. His transfer was widely viewed as a chance to upgrade talent and there was no lament at the time.
The point of this, is that it takes some players longer than others to develop and that some players get better and others do not. Reaching definitive judgments on players as underclassmen is risky business. Watching Starks and Lubick blossom as juniors is reason to pause before writing off or placing a ceiling on Hopkins or Ayegba or Bowen.
The further point is that playing time matters. If we had Whittington, Hollis Thompson,, Vee Sanford and Jerelle on this year's team, it is not all addition as DSR, Jabril, Nate, Markel all lose some minutes in the process and Otto may not have emerged as the unquestioned leader as Hollis vied for shots and opportunities to improve his draft status.
There is little question in my mind that Hollis made a mistake in terms of professional opportunity by leaving last year, but I am not certain that we are not a better team for having him leave and clear the way for others to step up and form the chemistry. This is not intended as any knock on Hollis who is a fine player and certainly his 30+ minutes would be a talent upgrade on the players who are getting those minutes, but role confusion would have been a challenge with him and Otto makes more efficient use of the possessions he would have taken.
In a year without a dominant team, a dominant player may be the answer. If Kemba Walker could do it, why not Otto?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 27, 2013 9:15:27 GMT -5
Well, he sure gave the Hoyas a tough game. Besides his numbers are too good to ignore regardless of the conference he is in. Would he put up stats like that in the Big East? Proably not. But Damian Lillard may not have put up as good stats as well if he had played in the Big East. Doesn’t make him any lesser a player. Damian Lillard wasn't a 6'7" turnover-prone, low-percentage-shooting power forward. If you wanted Benimon instead of Otto, just say so; you clearly have made the argument in your own head. Jerell is shooting 53.9 overall & 41.7(48 attempts) from 3pt land, how is that a low percentage player? Even if we adjust down 5-8 percentage pts for competition, his 3pt #'s alone would warrant playing time on this squad. I'll be honest and admit I was happy when he left but I will admit too that this new & improved Jerell would help Gtown now. You're not being straight up if you watch him play & see the same kid who played for G'town. He's really improved physically and on the court.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 27, 2013 9:28:14 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind--Otto Porter was the last commitment of the Sophomores and he didn't join Georgetown until a month after Greg Whittington did.
If Benimon doesn't transfer, we'd probably get to see what he could do as the feature of a Big East team, since we wouldn't have Porter and Greg would likely still be on the sidelines because of academics.
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