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Post by LizziebethHoya on Jan 23, 2013 22:10:23 GMT -5
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hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jan 23, 2013 23:51:54 GMT -5
I saw the current headline and thought to myself, if we can get a Metro in Georgetown for half the cost of the new IAC, well that is just incredible. Turns out the headline writers confused millions with billions.
[Note, I am referring to the title that comes up at the top of my browser, not the story headline itself.]
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 24, 2013 11:21:04 GMT -5
Have fun with the neighbors WMATA!
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Post by thebin on Jan 24, 2013 12:31:23 GMT -5
Have fun with the neighbors WMATA! Governments don't always have to care AT ALL what the neighbors think. Wait...according to that graphic....do they plan to bring the Metro into Gtown and run it along M street and NOT put a stop in Gtown? In the annals of idiotic city planning this would only be topped by the billions spent on the Acela train which could be high speed if it were not for the crappy old tracks and bridges it has to run on 90% of the way between DC and Boston. Previous discussions for the Blue line along M Street involved stops at Georgetown (~31st St.), West End (~23rd), Thomas Circle (14th) and then connecting at Gallery Place en route to Stadium-Armory. Because of the depth needed to get under the river, a stop at 33rd or 34th street would not have enough clearance before it would have to get deep underwater. --Admin |
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Post by sead43 on Feb 27, 2013 15:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 27, 2013 15:16:54 GMT -5
Its as simple as replying to their title. Why the heck not? Have you ever been in a gondola with 20+ mph cross winds? Not a fun time. Going across the Potomac? Not going to be a fun time. |
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Post by sead43 on Apr 4, 2013 15:51:13 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Apr 4, 2013 22:49:47 GMT -5
Makes too much sense so it will never happen ;D The easy solution would be to extend it to the end of water street. That would have little impact on the heavy traffic on M, but would be close enough for gtown student, faculty, and staff to use (its an easy, pleasant walk from there to campus). |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 5, 2013 8:41:04 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 17, 2013 19:37:51 GMT -5
From The HOYA: In dialogue at the transport table, [Georgetown University’s Robin Morey, vice president of planning and facilities management] confirmed that the university is willing to house a streetcar maintenance facility on Georgetown’s campus should a new streetcar line extend to the university but emphasized that adding such a building will not come without challenges." Where? www.thehoya.com/georgetown-bid-seeks-community-input-for-15-year-plan-1.3046431 |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Jun 17, 2013 19:55:37 GMT -5
From The HOYA: In dialogue at the transport table, [Georgetown University’s Robin Morey, vice president of planning and facilities management] confirmed that the university is willing to house a streetcar maintenance facility on Georgetown’s campus should a new streetcar line extend to the university but emphasized that adding such a building will not come without challenges." Where? www.thehoya.com/georgetown-bid-seeks-community-input-for-15-year-plan-1.3046431You know, that last tiny square of grass somewhere... |
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 18, 2013 9:54:30 GMT -5
Easy -- return the Car Barn to its original use in exchange for the St. Elizabeth's property.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 22, 2013 1:11:22 GMT -5
From The HOYA: In dialogue at the transport table, [Georgetown University’s Robin Morey, vice president of planning and facilities management] confirmed that the university is willing to house a streetcar maintenance facility on Georgetown’s campus should a new streetcar line extend to the university but emphasized that adding such a building will not come without challenges." Where? www.thehoya.com/georgetown-bid-seeks-community-input-for-15-year-plan-1.3046431Well, Robin didn't tell me this directly, but I have it from a pretty good source... the Southwest Garage. If you can get the damn thing up to M/Canal level, it's not that bad of a grade change into the P3 or P4 level of the garage, and you can re-grade the approach as necessary without too much difficulty. The University would be willing to give up a level of parking, plus all the random things (Advanced Vehicle Bay??) on P4, in exchange for a fixed rail connection. The truly hard part is figuring out how to get it to the University, and where it would stop along the way. I don't want to say that the challenges are intractable, but I'm really not seeing much in the way of options that don't fall into either the "huge wasted opportunity" column or the "politically infeasible" column. Easy -- return the Car Barn to its original use in exchange for the St. Elizabeth's property. That wouldn't be a bad idea, honestly, but we don't own the Car Barn, and Doug Jemal isn't letting go of it unless truly absurd heaps of money are thrown at him. He's proven that he's willing to sit on properties for years/decades if he doesn't get what he wants (see Uline Arena). |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 22, 2013 12:49:59 GMT -5
Interesting idea--the streetcar would be best suited along the K Street waterfront but getting it to Canal Road remains the issue. I also think a K Street line is more palatable to residents than setting up track and/or overhead lines along M Street. At least it's a better idea than this one:  |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Jun 22, 2013 15:00:02 GMT -5
That picture makes me sick to my stomach
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 23, 2013 1:54:54 GMT -5
Yea, the Georgetown history presentation during this year's reunion had some illustrations of pretty wacky/amazing proposals. Giant two-story GUTS arcade in front of Healy, anyone? Overhead wires are a non-starter on M, but can be used on K. Battery technology is getting better every year, but under current/immediate future conditions, Thomas Jefferson is the last street going west whose grade can be navigated by a streetcar under battery power. Now, if the Whitehurst were to be demolished and a direct connection created between K/Water Street and M/Canal, then you could get the streetcar into the University in a fairly straightforward fashion... except that if you demolish the Whitehurst, overhead wires become a likely no-go down there. If anyone has ideas about this and other Georgetown-related planning topics that they'd like to contribute, the Georgetown BID is running a planning process this summer and wants your comments: www.georgetown2028.com |
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 23, 2013 18:18:12 GMT -5
Yea, the Georgetown history presentation during this year's reunion had some illustrations of pretty wacky/amazing proposals. Giant two-story GUTS arcade in front of Healy, anyone? Overhead wires are a non-starter on M, but can be used on K. Battery technology is getting better every year, but under current/immediate future conditions, Thomas Jefferson is the last street going west whose grade can be navigated by a streetcar under battery power. Now, if the Whitehurst were to be demolished and a direct connection created between K/Water Street and M/Canal, then you could get the streetcar into the University in a fairly straightforward fashion... except that if you demolish the Whitehurst, overhead wires become a likely no-go down there. If anyone has ideas about this and other Georgetown-related planning topics that they'd like to contribute, the Georgetown BID is running a planning process this summer and wants your comments: www.georgetown2028.comWhy not built a boat house on K with garages for the cars! |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 23, 2013 22:53:10 GMT -5
Why not built a boat house on K with garages for the cars! There's not really any room around there for new construction big enough to accommodate a sufficient quantity of cars and equipment. As we all know, they've had a hard enough time building a boathouse by itself. The Park Service seems content to keep kicking the can down the road indefinitely on that one, and public comments on their boathouse zone feasibility study have been almost wholly opposed to letting the University build a boathouse where it wants to. Right next to the Key Bridge supports (around 34th & Water Streets) seems like the only place they will ultimately be able to put something, and it is likely to be rather constrained in size. There's also the issue of GW wanting to build their own boathouse and high school teams wanting to be able to use facilities other than Thompsons - depending on how all that shakes it, it could end up being one larger facility divided among multiple tenants. |
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Post by sead43 on Dec 17, 2013 12:46:55 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 18, 2013 9:41:32 GMT -5
The Georgetown 2028 visioning/planning initiative has issued its final report. Topher Matthews (LLM'03), who was on the overall Task Force that approved the report and all the recommendations, is writing some posts summarizing it; the Metro post is here and his post on the other transportation recommendations is here. I was on the transportation working group that eventually arrived at a list of 75 more-or-less consensus items, despite the best efforts of certain borderline-fossilized citizens to water them down into oblivion. The final report is at georgetowndc.com/content/2028-resources/ There are other sections dealing with things like public space (restoring the canal to something like glory) and economic development (adding more interesting commercial options). Overall, a very ambitious agenda. Will be interesting to see to what extent the city is willing to play ball. |
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