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Post by EtomicB on Mar 1, 2013 10:24:17 GMT -5
This isn't fair, it can't exactly be proven, and it probably isn't classy on my part either....but I'll say it anyway: if Noel had gone to GU odds are he doesn't get that same injury. Its all about time, place and situation and Noel would have been in a different one for each if he hadn't gone to Kentucky. Just saying. He probably would've gotten a worse injury: death by boredom in our offense. You obviously haven't seen Kentucky play this year a POD. They're an awful offensive team..
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Post by This Just In on Mar 1, 2013 10:55:50 GMT -5
Rakeem Christmas Mins: 22.2 FG% 552 FT% . 629 PPG: 5.7 RPG: 5.0 Watching him in the game against GTown, he would have looked good in JTIII system. He rarely gets any touches in the Syracuse system. I don't see how any big man who gets an offer to play at GTown doesn't come. Big men will always get touches. Plenty of touches. Rakeem Christmas would get more touches here, but the perception is that G'town does not get players to the NBA. Why? Just lack of recent post season success/national exposure in the NCAA Tourney which started in 2008. Since that 2008 class we have gotten 2 players to the NBA (Dajuan Summers, Greg Monroe & only 1 of them is still there now) excluding D-League. Schools use that theory as a recruitment tool against the Hoyas. With post-season success this year though that perception will start to be an after-thought again.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Mar 1, 2013 10:56:35 GMT -5
A glass half full interpretation of this and our current ranking would be that the staff does a pretty good job of identifying talent. Even benimonster and vee aren't awful.
However, in the future lets not ask our recruits to start school early when they barely weigh in at over 120 lbs.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2013 14:23:41 GMT -5
We should be ashamed of ourselves for creating a 57 page thread on Devonta Pollard, he's been terrible this season for Alabama
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 2, 2013 14:56:50 GMT -5
We should be ashamed of ourselves for creating a 57 page thread on Devonta Pollard, he's been terrible this season for Alabama Who? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2013 21:09:49 GMT -5
About "the ones that got away"... What would our '12/13 Hoyas look like with Hollis T.? Where would he fit? Certainly would have been team senior captain...
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 3, 2013 22:49:46 GMT -5
About "the ones that got away"... What would our '12/13 Hoyas look like with Hollis T.? Where would he fit? Certainly would have been team senior captain... I have been thinking the same thing. It's surprising that it wasn't more widely discussed in the wake of GW's suspension, considering he had a year of eligibility left. It sounds crazy to say this, considering he was a borderline NBA-type guy, but I can't see his role on the team (as it is playing right now).
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Post by This Just In on Mar 3, 2013 22:56:37 GMT -5
About "the ones that got away"... What would our '12/13 Hoyas look like with Hollis T.? Where would he fit? Certainly would have been team senior captain...The starting 5 would have been ..Starks, Thompson, Porter, Lubick, Hopper Greg Whittington, suspension or not would have came off the bench. Also I do not think that Otto Porter would have developed the way he has if Hollis Thompson would have stayed. Thompson as the only Senior would have been the defacto player to take all the game tying/winning shots as last year. Although, Thompson would disappear for long stretches during regular season gms., (still do not understand why he turned pro...u gotta be dominating in college to have a chance in the NBA when u leave early). For the players who stayed, so good so far everything has turned out for the best. Another case of addition by subtraction...team chemistry is a very important thing, no matter how much talent a team has.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 3, 2013 23:47:36 GMT -5
Although, Thompson would disappear for long stretches during regular season gms., (still do not understand why he turned pro...u gotta be dominating in college to have a chance in the NBA when u leave early). Thompson technically left early in terms of eligibility, but he started school early and graduated in three years. He chose to pursue his dream of playing in the NBA. It was a reach, but he's still playing pro ball right now and he got his degree. Can't fault the kid even a little bit.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 3, 2013 23:50:31 GMT -5
I think it's getting dumb to think that this team could be doing any better. Hollis, Greg, whoever. No addition is making this team better.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 4, 2013 7:48:46 GMT -5
No addition is making this team better? Good one...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2013 9:43:57 GMT -5
I think it's getting dumb to think that this team could be doing any better. Hollis, Greg, whoever. No addition is making this team better. Say what? For someone who obviously watches plenty basketball, you frequently make statements that confound me. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Am I missing the sarcasm? Somehow, I doubt it.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 4, 2013 9:54:27 GMT -5
I think it's getting dumb to think that this team could be doing any better. Hollis, Greg, whoever. No addition is making this team better. Say what? For someone who obviously watches plenty basketball, you frequently make statements that confound me. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Am I missing the sarcasm? Somehow, I doubt it. Well I think a more reliable center would be on everyone's wish list. But I get what POD is saying. We're getting great play from our guards and our wings, so there's no reason we should think the team would be playing any better if we had someone different in the mix—even someone more skilled on paper. We've found a combination of guys that click beautifully, that know their roles and play them effectively. You can dump the best shooting guard in the country onto this team, but does he mesh with Otto? Does he hog the ball? Who knows. This team obviously has a chemistry that was lacking with GW. (And I'm not one who thinks GW is a lost cause; in fact, I hope he fills the Otto "do it all" role next year.)
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Post by This Just In on Mar 4, 2013 10:05:36 GMT -5
Say what? For someone who obviously watches plenty basketball, you frequently make statements that confound me. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Am I missing the sarcasm? Somehow, I doubt it. Well I think a more reliable center would be on everyone's wish list. But I get what POD is saying. We're getting great play from our guards and our wings, so there's no reason we should think the team would be playing any better if we had someone different in the mix—even someone more skilled on paper. We've found a combination of guys that click beautifully, that know their roles and play them effectively. You can dump the best shooting guard in the country onto this team, but does he mesh with Otto? Does he hog the ball? Who knows. This team obviously has a chemistry that was lacking with GW. (And I'm not one who thinks GW is a lost cause; in fact, I hope he fills the Otto "do it all" role next year.)Thanks for the clarification
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Post by bmartin on Mar 4, 2013 10:25:35 GMT -5
I don't think it is fair to say the chemistry was off with Whittington. I do think that without him, each player's role and importance to the team became clearer. Whittington was one of the top scorers, defenders, rebounders, and ball handlers on the team, so his loss meant that everyone else had to do more of whatever roles they do best.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 4, 2013 10:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2013 11:23:05 GMT -5
What do people think of Ryan Kelly? He was down to us and Duke and was rather a contentious subject on this board. A lot of folks didn't like him because of lack of athleticism.
Initially, I think people didn't think too much of losing him because he wasn't that great early -- and when we were recruiting him, we were super thin down low. I'm not sure he would have helped then.
Still, that shooting and scoring now at the PF instead of Lubick (or shifting Lubick over) and maybe playing the high post? Not sure what it would do to our D, but our offense would be pretty lethal.
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Post by Filo on Mar 4, 2013 11:28:54 GMT -5
What do people think of Ryan Kelly? He was down to us and Duke and was rather a contentious subject on this board. A lot of folks didn't like him because of lack of athleticism. Initially, I think people didn't think too much of losing him because he wasn't that great early -- and when we were recruiting him, we were super thin down low. I'm not sure he would have helped then. Still, that shooting and scoring now at the PF instead of Lubick (or shifting Lubick over) and maybe playing the high post? Not sure what it would do to our D, but our offense would be pretty lethal. Can't say I was crushed that he did not choose the Hoyas or that I am even mildy bummed he is not on the current team, but I thought the criticisms of him were the typical unwarranted stuff you see around here. Even before his outburst against Miami, I thought he was a solid player and would have helped our team. The 36-pt effort is an outlier, though -- he's not that good. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2013 11:35:53 GMT -5
I think it's getting dumb to think that this team could be doing any better. Hollis, Greg, whoever. No addition is making this team better. Say what? For someone who obviously watches plenty basketball, you frequently make statements that confound me. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Am I missing the sarcasm? Somehow, I doubt it. A better center would clearly help this team, as long as the person had a solid skill set, didn't make mistakes, and had a good attitude. Make no mistake, if Josh Smith was eligible, he'd be playing right now.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 4, 2013 12:01:23 GMT -5
For whatever reason Kelly was always polarizing. There is a contingent of fans (many of whom have either left this site or gone quiet) that think that every Georgetown player should conform to a certain mold--basically, having NBA length and athleticism. A guy like Kelly obviously does not fit that mold, and as such that contingent was quick to dismiss or ridicule his recruitment--the same way they did with guys like Smith-Rivera or Reggie Cameron.
But I still think it's hard to deny his skills. He's 6'10 and he's an excellent 3 point and free throw shooter. No, he does not fit the NBA mold, but you don't have to to be an effective college player. He averaged 12 points and 5.5 boards last year, and 15 points 5.5 boards this year. I wouldn't/won't rag on our own guys, but I'd question the basketball acumen or objectivity of anybody who says they wouldn't rather have Lubick and Kelly starting in our front court instead of Lubick and Hopkins. And it would have been nice to throw Sims and Kelly out there last year when Nate was really struggling and we didn't have any answers off the bench. As a reminder, when we missed/passed on Kelly that scholarship that was allocated for a big guy in 2009 eventually went to Jerrelle Benimon--who despite his success at Towson this year was pretty hard to watch in his 2 years at Georgetown. Even though Kelly didn't really live up to his All-America status in his first 2 years at Duke, it's hard for me to believe he wouldn't have been better than Benimon for us. And last year and this year Kelly has played pretty well.
You can't really second guess it or worry too much about it considering the season we're having. But it's another example to disprove the idea that every player we land has to be ultra-athletic with NBA measurables. To me the ideal big guy for JTIII's system is a guy who is comfortable in the high post, comfortable shooting from distance, and who has the basketball IQ and passing ability to be an offensive hub; meanwhile, on defense he's ideally big and athletic enough to be a presence--or at least not a liability. Of course that combination isn't easy to find--guys like Greg Monroe don't grow on trees. But I don't mind them bringing in a big guy who is highly skilled and trying to coach him into being a better defender (which would have been the case with a guy like Kelly). I think that strategy is equally viable or perhaps even more viable than recruiting a 6'9 or 6'10 athletic/bouncy type with little offensive skill and trying to coach him up on offense (see Vernon Macklin). That seems more like a square peg in round hole situation.
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