ShimmyJr
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Post by ShimmyJr on Mar 20, 2005 13:37:29 GMT -5
As NC State is taking down UConn...discuss.
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 20, 2005 13:42:30 GMT -5
Just posted in another thread of the same. Did you see that lack of effort on the fast break.
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ShimmyJr
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Post by ShimmyJr on Mar 20, 2005 13:45:26 GMT -5
uconn is kind of getting hosed on calls though - that out of bounds call was bs - who is this brackman kid who is getting ALL the calls? he sucks!
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Post by ShimmyJr on Mar 20, 2005 13:56:27 GMT -5
elmore punking villanueva - but he just came with a really nice offensive move plus a foul
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Post by ShimmyJr on Mar 20, 2005 14:09:10 GMT -5
ANOTHER no-call/missed-call on the offensive foul
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 20, 2005 14:17:36 GMT -5
And the ACC gets it back 14 hours later.
Terrible effort by UConn and just an awful performance by Gay, falling down to let Hodge by.
The bad news: they might not have anyone leave and with this chip on their shoulder, UConn will be out for blood next year in the conference.
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Post by HoyasSkins on Mar 20, 2005 14:26:10 GMT -5
This game was really a let down. All of the bragging rights that we had just won for the Big East disappeared so quickly. Gay was a complete non-factor and Villanueva was awful on defense. The refs were very poor that game and may have cost UConn also. The non-call offensive foul was huge towards the end. But in reality, it was the team that blew it. Only a few players came out to play, while NCST was ready.
If nobody leaves next year, UConn could be scary.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 20, 2005 14:32:47 GMT -5
Gay is a lot of athletecism and not a whole lot else as of right now. My guess is still that Charlie V. bolts. Hes the type of guy who doesn't care enough about winning or proving himself, just wants to get paid. He'll have a Tim Thomas sort of career at the next level--all the athletecism in the world, but not enough heart to be great.
Even without him, Williams Gay, and Boone will be tough to beat.
Really disappointed by UConn's effort. They're definitly more talented but their guys just dont appear to be putting out the required effort.
Chances are bleak of the Big East being successful in the tourney this year, IMO.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Mar 20, 2005 14:32:55 GMT -5
The non-call led to a 3 pointer where if it had been called(and if you saw the replay it was really blatant) then uconn would have had 2 free throws. Big 5 point swing. And nice fall by Rudy on that last play. Really intimidating defense there.
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Post by MEGAFAN on Mar 20, 2005 14:48:19 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or do you not shoot free throws on offensive fouls, regardless of the bonus/double bonus?
Either way, that no-call leading to a three pointer was huge. However, UConn had their chances, and didn't step it up in time. As they say: too little too late...
LET'S GO HOYAS!!! BEAT CSF!
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Post by pkhoya03 on Mar 20, 2005 14:48:34 GMT -5
Wow... 4 points and 3 rebounds in 23 mins for the preseason BE rookie of the year and BE co-rookie of the year. For coming up with those impressive numbers in UConn's most important game of the season, with elimination on the line... is truly CLUTCH. *clap* *clap* *clap*
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 20, 2005 14:53:51 GMT -5
Gay beat the hell out of us our last two games, so I don't think we can really bash him. He's got some growing to do, but he's a beast. Same with Charlie V.
I think they and Cuse ultimately suffered from their lack of depth. Rashard Anderson looked terrible, Denham Brown's knee isn't healed, and they kicked Kellogg of the team. After Williams, their backcourt became very thin.
Also, NC State is a pretty good team.
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Mar 20, 2005 14:56:41 GMT -5
Gay is a lot of athletecism and not a whole lot else as of right now. My guess is still that Charlie V. bolts. Hes the type of guy who doesn't care enough about winning or proving himself, just wants to get paid. He'll have a Tim Thomas sort of career at the next level--all the athletecism in the world, but not enough heart to be great. Even without him, Williams Gay, and Boone will be tough to beat. Really disappointed by UConn's effort. They're definitly more talented but their guys just dont appear to be putting out the required effort. Chances are bleak of the Big East being successful in the tourney this year, IMO. Great call, RB. I've been trying to figure out who Charlie V reminds me of most, and you hit it right on the head with Tim Thomas. He is extremely talented like Thomas, but he lacks the heart to win or play defense. Charlie V will probably score 13 points a game in the pros in the next 10 years in the pros, moving from one team to another. He doesn't have the heart to be great.
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Post by the_way on Mar 20, 2005 15:26:41 GMT -5
Great call, RB. I've been trying to figure out who Charlie V reminds me of most, and you hit it right on the head with Tim Thomas. He is extremely talented like Thomas, but he lacks the heart to win or play defense. Charlie V will probably score 13 points a game in the pros in the next 10 years in the pros, moving from one team to another. He doesn't have the heart to be great. Charlie V is not Tim Thomas. Thomas had a developed offensive game and always was talented. Thomas was a splendid player in Milwalkee when he was the sixth man coming off the bench in the NBA. Thomas just has an attitude problem, and is playing out of position at small forward with New York.Charilie V doesn't have any defensive prowess besides blocking shots of guys who are 6'7" or shorter. Charlie V is not that talented nor is he athletic. He just had a lot of hype, just like Rudy Gay did, coming out of high school. Coming out of high school, Charlie V was rated right behind Lebron James. But against stiffer competition you see Charlie V needs another 2 years of college.Charlie has no offensive game besides dunking and shooting layups over guys 6'8" or shorter. He cannot defend anyone to save his life. There is a reason why he is still playing in college. With regards to Rudy Gay, I've been saying he is overrated all year, and yet people thought I was crazy for saying it. What you saw with Gay today sums out what he is really all about: dunking and jumping when it doesn't count or when the game is not close, and then doing nothing in crunch time. I saw the kid play in high school, and what he did in today's game is not suprising at all.
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Post by ShimmyJr on Mar 20, 2005 15:27:12 GMT -5
Gay beat the hell out of us our last two games, so I don't think we can really bash him. He's got some growing to do, but he's a beast. Same with Charlie V. I think they and Cuse ultimately suffered from their lack of depth. Rashard Anderson looked terrible, Denham Brown's knee isn't healed, and they kicked Kellogg of the team. After Williams, their backcourt became very thin. Also, NC State is a pretty good team. Gay in NOT a beast...i am sorry dude - were you watching this game - did you see that lame duck he threw up called a jumpshot? his half-assed attempt on the breakaway lay-up? he terrible D on Hodge? he might be athleticism and potential, but he is FAR from a beast right now... As for Villanueva, I actually WANT to root for him...but he is such a STUPID player, i can't - he might bolt for the league this coming year, but anyone who lottery picks him is a dolt.
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Mar 20, 2005 15:41:22 GMT -5
Charlie V is not Tim Thomas. Thomas had a developed offensive game and always was talented. Thomas was a splendid player in Milwalkee when he was the sixth man coming off the bench in the NBA. Thomas just has an attitude problem, and is playing out of position at small forward with New York.Charilie V doesn't have any defensive prowess besides blocking shots of guys who are 6'7" or shorter. Charlie V is not that talented nor is he athletic. He just had a lot of hype, just like Rudy Gay did, coming out of high school. Coming out of high school, Charlie V was rated right behind Lebron James. But against stiffer competition you see Charlie V needs another 2 years of college.Charlie has no offensive game besides dunking and shooting layups over guys 6'8" or shorter. He cannot defend anyone to save his life. There is a reason why he is still playing in college. quote] I completely disagree with you. Charlie V does have a developed offensive game. I've watched him since high school, and like Tim Thomas, he can score inside and out. The problem with Charlie V, like Thomas, is that he has no drive or heart. He is inconsistent and you never know when he's going to reappear and disappear. Scouts have been drooling over Charlie V's skills since high school. They only realized that he lacked heart once he worked out for them at the NBA pre-draft camps. I think that you often overstate your case. To say that Charlie V has no defensive prowess merely underscores the comparison to Tim Thomas. Thomas couldn't guard anyone to save his life either. And, you try to defend Thomas by saying that he is playing out of position at NY. Well, he is soft, so he couldn't play power forward either. He's surely no two-guard, since every two-guard would blow by him. What else could he play besides the 3?
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 20, 2005 16:15:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I watched the game. I've also watched other games this year. Come on man, no doubt he isn't a finished product or even close to it, but look at his stats in the last 10 games of the year. Pretty damn good for a kid who's just cruising by on potential. If he can shoot 47% from the field (and three point range) with his duck of a jump shot, block six shots against Syracuse, and pretty much take over the game for a couple stretches against us with his potential, that makes him a pretty solid player, I think.
As for Charlie V, no one in the BE could guard him in the post by the end of the year. I actually agree with the Tim Thomas comparison, and I doubt he has the drive to become an all star in the NBA, but he's a solid player who will always tempt teams with what he could be.
I hope Charlie and Rudy go pro and take their lottery money. Because otherwise Uconn is going to be a bear to face next year returning everyone and adding a lot of guard and forward depth.
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 20, 2005 16:45:20 GMT -5
^ agreed, 47% from three, no jump shot . Something doesnt add up. He did outplay Jeff Green in two of the games this year. No he wasnt the second coming of Carmelo, but 12 and 5 for a freshman on a loaded team is pretty darn good. He will be a great player, just not as great as experts thought this early, and having Julius Hodge beat you is nothing to be ashamed of. I still have no clue why everyone on here continues to bash this kid, yes our freshman is just as good right now, but that is no reason to bash Rudy Gay
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Post by the_way on Mar 20, 2005 17:30:34 GMT -5
Charlie V is not Tim Thomas. Thomas had a developed offensive game and always was talented. Thomas was a splendid player in Milwalkee when he was the sixth man coming off the bench in the NBA. Thomas just has an attitude problem, and is playing out of position at small forward with New York.Charilie V doesn't have any defensive prowess besides blocking shots of guys who are 6'7" or shorter. Charlie V is not that talented nor is he athletic. He just had a lot of hype, just like Rudy Gay did, coming out of high school. Coming out of high school, Charlie V was rated right behind Lebron James. But against stiffer competition you see Charlie V needs another 2 years of college.Charlie has no offensive game besides dunking and shooting layups over guys 6'8" or shorter. He cannot defend anyone to save his life. There is a reason why he is still playing in college. quote] I completely disagree with you. Charlie V does have a developed offensive game. I've watched him since high school, and like Tim Thomas, he can score inside and out. The problem with Charlie V, like Thomas, is that he has no drive or heart. He is inconsistent and you never know when he's going to reappear and disappear. Scouts have been drooling over Charlie V's skills since high school. They only realized that he lacked heart once he worked out for them at the NBA pre-draft camps. I think that you often overstate your case. To say that Charlie V has no defensive prowess merely underscores the comparison to Tim Thomas. Thomas couldn't guard anyone to save his life either. And, you try to defend Thomas by saying that he is playing out of position at NY. Well, he is soft, so he couldn't play power forward either. He's surely no two-guard, since every two-guard would blow by him. What else could he play besides the 3? When did Charlie V ever show an outside game? He can't take people off the dribble like Thomas can nor can he create his own shot. Charlie V has limited skills. He is nothing like Tim Thomas. If he was anything like Tim, he would have left early after his freshman year like Tim did. You are crazy to say Charlie V has an inside and outside game. What games and which Charlie V are you talking about? You must be talking about a different Charlie V. I'm talking about Charlie Villanueva.
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Post by ShimmyJr on Mar 20, 2005 17:40:48 GMT -5
^ agreed, 47% from three, no jump shot . Something doesnt add up. He did outplay Jeff Green in two of the games this year. No he wasnt the second coming of Carmelo, but 12 and 5 for a freshman on a loaded team is pretty darn good. He will be a great player, just not as great as experts thought this early, and having Julius Hodge beat you is nothing to be ashamed of. I still have no clue why everyone on here continues to bash this kid, yes our freshman is just as good right now, but that is no reason to bash Rudy Gay I have been one that hasn't bashed Gay(s) in my time on this board and I profess to know little about his jumpshot throughout the season...ALL i am saying is that in the couple of nationally-televised games I saw (UNC, TODAY'S GAME) his jumper looked like crap... In sum, the lame duck reference was to the jumper he took TODAY coming around the pick and how terrible he looked overall in today's game. Jeff is better...however i do agree UCONN is going to be scary good next year if they get some fire in their bellies because it was a generally underwhelming performance by them today.
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