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Post by kchoya on Sept 25, 2012 8:59:34 GMT -5
Damn anti-Mulim movie! LeBron's tweet: "Packers just got game took from them. I LOVE NFL football to much to see this type of work." HOWEVAH [/stephen a. smith'd], this is the best tweet I've seen:
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 25, 2012 9:04:27 GMT -5
I really enjoy the Packers offensive linemen leading the bitching about the refs
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Post by sead43 on Sept 25, 2012 9:15:28 GMT -5
According to the official in the (broadcasting) booth, the call at the end was not reviewable, at least with respect to possession. Mike McCarthy needs to get fined tonight. can someone clarify this? i was wondering why more isn't being made of the fact that a non-replacement replay official made the ultimate call. but i too thought i heard that analyst say the question of who had possession wasn't reviewable. is that true? if so, why not? these articles together at least seem to indicate that the entire play was in fact reviewed and upheld as simultaneous possession (not saying i agree with that call, obviously): "[Referee Wayne] Elliott told a pool reporter after the game that the play was ruled as simultaneous possession that was confirmed by the replay official." scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=320924026"[Packers President Mark] Murphy asked about the replay process, and [NFL observer Mike] Kensil reminded him that [replay official Howard] Slavin was not a replacement." www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/171055661.html
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Post by RDF on Sept 25, 2012 10:57:19 GMT -5
All that needs to be said about this debacle (referring to officials lockout) is that JERRY JONES likes the work of the replacement officials. When he's not doing blow off an 18 year old hooker's chest, or undermining a puppet coach, he feels need to step in and make certain that those "greeeeedy lil 'ffici-ate-in basters" don't get what they want--and if it ruins the sport, who cares-we'll still get "rate-ins". When you bring White Trash into your league--and let that trash have a voice, expect calls made by people who can't work in the Lingerie Football League, Arena League 2 (not Arena Football--but second tier Arena ball), NAIA college ball, Midget League, etc...to effect the outcome: and why should it matter? It's not like its anyone's livelihood.
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Post by jgalt on Sept 25, 2012 11:10:30 GMT -5
Damn anti-Mulim movie! LeBron's tweet: "Packers just got game took from them. I LOVE NFL football to much to see this type of work." HOWEVAH [/stephen a. smith'd], this is the best tweet I've seen: Thats not actually Frank Gore.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 25, 2012 11:36:21 GMT -5
From the league’s release:
“Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.
“While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.
“When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.
“Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.
“Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.
“The result of the game is final.”
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 25, 2012 12:20:46 GMT -5
I have to first say, I don't gamble on football. It seems to me, though, that having the sub officials on the field throws a major uncontrollable factor into the games. Wouldn't that make people less likely to bet on these games? That must not be the case, because if Vegas's handle were down significantly, I think the casinos would be pushing hard behind the scenes to get this nonsense over with.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Sept 25, 2012 12:39:17 GMT -5
Damn anti-Mulim movie! LeBron's tweet: "Packers just got game took from them. I LOVE NFL football to much to see this type of work." HOWEVAH [/stephen a. smith'd], this is the best tweet I've seen: Thats not actually Frank Gore. Looks like they took it down with a note that some of the tweets may not be from the actual person.
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Post by bmartin on Sept 25, 2012 12:55:54 GMT -5
The other question is which of the two officials should have made the call. The one in the best position did not call it a touchdown so why should the guy who came in late and only saw simultaneous possession after they were on the ground be the one whose call is the call under review?
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Post by jgalt on Sept 25, 2012 12:58:51 GMT -5
I have to first say, I don't gamble on football. It seems to me, though, that having the sub officials on the field throws a major uncontrollable factor into the games. Wouldn't that make people less likely to bet on these games? That must not be the case, because if Vegas's handle were down significantly, I think the casinos would be pushing hard behind the scenes to get this nonsense over with. The money that is not going into the books because of this probably very very small. I have seen figures anywhere between 150mil to 500mil as changing hands based on this play. And thats only one game (I think it probably at the low end of that range). I think this would just push people to put their money on other sports (college football) so the books are losing anything. On a different note: I though Steve Youngs comments about player safety were just laughable. If the players dont want to hurt each other then they should stop "tackling" with there heads. Throwing flags and handing out penalties for head hits and other dangerous hits hasnt stopped players from doing it (this year or last year). The refs making the game more unsafe is a straw man argument. The players actions cause injuries, the refs can only penalize after the fact (and the league is really at fault for lax penalties, they should be suspending more people for dangerous hits). And this is a league that has shown it doesnt really give a crap about its players health, and its not like the NFLPA is screaming for change.
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Post by RDF on Sept 25, 2012 13:22:40 GMT -5
The problem with a controversy at the end of the game-it ignores the game changing calls earlier--which go ignored and ESPN is as much at fault for this--since they televised the game and need to point to the biggest game changing call and one that could've easily been corrected:
Russell Wilson roll out of pocket--Erik Walden went to tackle him below the waist which is legal once QB leaves the pocket--the hit wasn't late, and Packers get ball on interception. Ref gives GB 15 yd penalty for roughing the passer and at time that would've sealed the game as Packers would've been at least in FG range and game likely over.
Same drive--you get the Sidney Rice mugging of Sam Shields and penalty is called on Shields.
Now while it ends up GB ball and Seattle doesn't score--Seahawks awarded 47 yards of officals errors in yards--which pins Packers deep and helps Seahawks 1950's caliber offense to have ball at the 45 to start their drive and get the gift at end.
Other noticeable and correctible things that were ignored--Green Bay being allowed to pin Seahawks deep late in 1st Half when a gunner ran into the endzone and was 1st guy to touch/down the ball which was at the half yd line. NOBODY said anything--it's a reviewable play and nothing happened and ESPN "experts" didnt' say anything. That is wrong and could've changed game.
So while focus is on 1 play at end, you can't dismiss the stupidity at the other parts and basically these guys are proving why they never got a big time officiating job--they are incapable and get influenced by crowd booing their calls, and just can't wait to see Jay Strichertz aka "Glasses Ref" from Pac 12 calling the Super Bowl this year as he'd be seen as an upgrade over the clowns that are working now.
Jerruh Jones is pleased though. Loves the "excitement".
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 15, 2012 10:43:03 GMT -5
Maybe RGIII can really walk on water.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 15, 2012 15:48:45 GMT -5
Maybe RGIII can really walk on water. The highlight videos of offensive stars are littered with Vikings' defenders
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Oct 15, 2012 16:00:52 GMT -5
I think the success of Cam Newton and RGIII will be a reason to draft Geno Smith early.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 15, 2012 18:02:43 GMT -5
I think the success of Cam Newton and RGIII will be a reason to draft Geno Smith early. Cam Newton? Success?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 15, 2012 18:30:20 GMT -5
I think the success of Cam Newton and RGIII will be a reason to draft Geno Smith early. There's a lot of reasons to like Geno Smith, but people have been talking about the death of the pocket passer in the NFL since the days of Randall Cunningham. The success of an NFL quarterback will still depend on a player's head and arm -- deciding where to throw and ability to be accurate are far and away the most important criteria for success. Being able to run is nice, but it's hardly the driver of success, as Tim Tebow and Vince Young could tell you.
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Post by Boz on Oct 15, 2012 18:30:59 GMT -5
Well, there goes the Ravens' season. So much for this being "their" year.
At this point in their careers, the loss of Webb is much bigger than Lewis for just plain playmaking ability. But you can't replace Lewis on the field for everything else he brings.
Not even with Suggs, if he can make it back next month.
Time to be elite -- for real -- Joe Flacco.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Oct 15, 2012 19:03:32 GMT -5
The least of Carolina's issues is Cam Newton. Newton has already shown that he is a big play maker and a leader on the field. IMO, Newton, RGII, and Geno Smith are very simular in ability. If Geno turn out to be as productive as the others mentioned, he will be a very productive NFL QB.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 15, 2012 20:03:05 GMT -5
I'm calling this one early. The Ravens are done. I just can't see how an already suspect defense to this point in the season can overcome all those losses. Flacco's development has been steady, and this year he has played really well. I don't think the Ravens aren't elite, however, if they have to win shootouts. And to think, coming in to this season, my thought was that the offense had finally reached the point that they actually complemented the defense. I thought they had a real shot.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 16, 2012 20:43:34 GMT -5
Norv Turner, what the heck was that??
Someone please explain to me again how this man still has a head coaching job in the NFL.
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