blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 10, 2014 8:19:28 GMT -5
Agree with SF....and I do believe Crawford is a better passer than tre. We all hope Tre Campbell has the talent to be a starting pg in this league, but no one knows if that's really the case and we have no other true pg on the team. We have no depth at the point. Further, would anyone really be at all surprised if Crawford was starting by sophomore year when DSR is gone?
Finally, I know for a fact that we want to start pressing teams more. In order to do so, we need speed, quickness and depth ....Crawford provides all three.
My biggest concern however is how a commitment from Crawford might impact Dozier. Nobody knows the answer to that question either. Right now, Crawford fills a vital need...and would compliment Govan and Derrickson nicely.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 10, 2014 8:35:31 GMT -5
i agree with some of what you have said. however, i am not that big on crawford mainly because i don't see him as an essential need. at 6'2, what he offers more than campbell is athleticism. as some of you have said, campbell has better shooting mechanics, while crawford has more athleticism; in terms of passing, they are about even. however, with campbell being a year ahead of crawford, i don't think crawford would start over campbell (not to mention JT3's stubbornness toward seniority). and when crawford is not starting over campbell, i don't see those two sharing backcourt together at any given moment. if it's campbell and dozier, yes that makes sense, because dozier is 6'6. but with both of these guys being around 6'1 ~6'2, they don't really complement each other at the same time. crawford has also struggled last year against elite good competition and has disappeared quite a lot throughout the stretches. with his athleticism, he definitely has potential, but one could have said the same thing about hopkins coming out of high school and we know what he has been so far for our program (not saying hopkins' final year will suck again). it really depends on how you value crawford. if he plays as good as any 5 star pgs this year, and able to be considered as recruiting over campbell, by all means go for this man. but from what i have seen and gathered from other scouts, he is not there yet. would have loved if we have worked harder on mitchell/bacon, but those ships have sailed; only ship i am being hopeful that i consider as an essential need (and also realistic) is dozier. There's nothing wrong with quality depth -- and I don't mean that in the sense that Crawford or Campbell is going to be a backup. I mean it in the sense that if you have two quality PG recruits rather than one, you have a much better chance of having a plus or average BE PG in the future. We don't know if these players are going to out or underperform their rankings. Because of that, depth is key. And that's before you factor in injuries, early entry and transfers. Also, what bias towards seniority? Why do some people keep saying this? Maybe in the first few games of the season, but there's no real evidence that seniority is a driver. Just because JT3 doesn't play your favorite bench player, doesn't mean he's got some seniority thing. We've had tons of freshmen starters. We've had upperclassmen benched or passed over for freshmen starters. Exactly JT3 plays freshmen actually more than most coaches: basketball.realgm.com/article/228645/Freshmen-Playing-Time-Part-1JT3 ranked T-37th of all coaches in terms of playing Freshmen the highest % of minutes.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 10, 2014 8:39:58 GMT -5
My guess is that a Crawford commitment would have an impact on Dozier. I think we have to take Crawford regardless, because not getting a PG in 2015 would hurt most.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 10, 2014 9:02:30 GMT -5
i agree with some of what you have said. however, i am not that big on crawford mainly because i don't see him as an essential need. at 6'2, what he offers more than campbell is athleticism. as some of you have said, campbell has better shooting mechanics, while crawford has more athleticism; in terms of passing, they are about even. however, with campbell being a year ahead of crawford, i don't think crawford would start over campbell (not to mention JT3's stubbornness toward seniority). and when crawford is not starting over campbell, i don't see those two sharing backcourt together at any given moment. if it's campbell and dozier, yes that makes sense, because dozier is 6'6. but with both of these guys being around 6'1 ~6'2, they don't really complement each other at the same time. crawford has also struggled last year against elite good competition and has disappeared quite a lot throughout the stretches. with his athleticism, he definitely has potential, but one could have said the same thing about hopkins coming out of high school and we know what he has been so far for our program (not saying hopkins' final year will suck again). it really depends on how you value crawford. if he plays as good as any 5 star pgs this year, and able to be considered as recruiting over campbell, by all means go for this man. but from what i have seen and gathered from other scouts, he is not there yet. would have loved if we have worked harder on mitchell/bacon, but those ships have sailed; only ship i am being hopeful that i consider as an essential need (and also realistic) is dozier. There's nothing wrong with quality depth -- and I don't mean that in the sense that Crawford or Campbell is going to be a backup. I mean it in the sense that if you have two quality PG recruits rather than one, you have a much better chance of having a plus or average BE PG in the future. We don't know if these players are going to out or underperform their rankings. Because of that, depth is key. And that's before you factor in injuries, early entry and transfers. Also, what bias towards seniority? Why do some people keep saying this? Maybe in the first few games of the season, but there's no real evidence that seniority is a driver. Just because JT3 doesn't play your favorite bench player, doesn't mean he's got some seniority thing. We've had tons of freshmen starters. We've had upperclassmen benched or passed over for freshmen starters. Lol @ tons of freshman starters
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Post by RockawayHoya on Sept 10, 2014 9:13:14 GMT -5
Forget who starts and who doesn't. Everyone is likely going to see time whether Coach wants them to or not if we can't figure out the riddle that is the "new" Big East officiating. The guys who will get the bulk of the minutes are going to be the ones who can figure out how to defend without fouling.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Sept 10, 2014 9:23:52 GMT -5
There's no doubt that if Crawford wants to commit we should take him. It would be greedy and also imprudent to turn down Crawford for the hope of Dozier. Also, I don't think Crawford coming here should dissuade a player like Dozier, as long as he believes in his skills, especially because he can play both guard positions.
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 10, 2014 10:13:55 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with quality depth -- and I don't mean that in the sense that Crawford or Campbell is going to be a backup. I mean it in the sense that if you have two quality PG recruits rather than one, you have a much better chance of having a plus or average BE PG in the future. We don't know if these players are going to out or underperform their rankings. Because of that, depth is key. And that's before you factor in injuries, early entry and transfers. Also, what bias towards seniority? Why do some people keep saying this? Maybe in the first few games of the season, but there's no real evidence that seniority is a driver. Just because JT3 doesn't play your favorite bench player, doesn't mean he's got some seniority thing. We've had tons of freshmen starters. We've had upperclassmen benched or passed over for freshmen starters. Lol @ tons of freshman starters Off the top of my head, Wallace, Green, Hibbert, Summers, Freeman, Monroe, Mescheriakov (as a RS freshman), Thompson (RS freshman), Lubick... I think Cameron and maybe Whittington started a few games due to injuries though weren't regular starters... Maybe not a ton, but certainly not an insignificant number.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 10, 2014 10:14:04 GMT -5
I agree with the above post by hoyasaxa18. Dozier looks and sounds like a combo and perhaps more of a college two guard. I think we push for both if possible, but take either/ or.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 10, 2014 10:34:28 GMT -5
Lol @ tons of freshman starters Off the top of my head, Wallace, Green, Hibbert, Summers, Freeman, Monroe, Mescheriakov (as a RS freshman), Thompson (RS freshman), Lubick... I think Cameron and maybe Whittington started a few games due to injuries though weren't regular starters... Maybe not a ton, but certainly not an insignificant number. Not sure if Hollis ever started a game as a frosh. Don't think Whitt started his first year either. But you can add Porter who got the nod late in his first season.
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Post by dungeon ball on Sept 10, 2014 10:54:34 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, Wallace, Green, Hibbert, Summers, Freeman, Monroe, Mescheriakov (as a RS freshman), Thompson (RS freshman), Lubick... I think Cameron and maybe Whittington started a few games due to injuries though weren't regular starters... Maybe not a ton, but certainly not an insignificant number. Not sure if Hollis ever started a game as a frosh. Don't think Whitt started his first year either. But you can add Porter who got the nod late in his first season. Here's a sleeper: didn't Benimon start a couple games his freshman year? Could be wrong.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 10, 2014 10:59:43 GMT -5
Freshman have seen the floor even though they didn't start during III's tenure as well.
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Post by lucky on Sept 10, 2014 12:10:59 GMT -5
If they are skilled and ready they play.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 10, 2014 12:37:00 GMT -5
My guess is that a Crawford commitment would have an impact on Dozier. I think we have to take Crawford regardless, because not getting a PG in 2015 would hurt most. So be it if it does.. I'm all for the staff pushing harder for Crawford than anyone left on the board for 2015 due to two reasons.. The first is Gtown is clearly the best team on his final list and even more important is that he fills a position of need.. There's no doubt that Dozier is the better prospect but I'm not convinced he's a better fit for the roster JT3 has put together.. Imo this weekend should be all about Crawford..
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Post by Talos on Sept 10, 2014 14:18:44 GMT -5
I agree with the above post by hoyasaxa18. Dozier looks and sounds like a combo and perhaps more of a college two guard. I think we push for both if possible, but take either/ or. Maybe so, but I think Dozier and his dad have made it clear they see him as a point guard. For that reason, I think it's possible a Crawford commitment does impact Dozier's decision. It certainly comes down to a bird in the hand decision again; as it frequently does with recruiting. Do we slow play Crawford in the hopes of landing Dozier? Or do we take the bird in the hand?
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 10, 2014 14:29:46 GMT -5
I'm not in panic mode about our recruiting by a longshot, but having whiffed on a number of guard prospects in this class, you definitely either or both of Dozier/Crawford if they want to commit. Staff has been recruiting Crawford for a long time. They aren't slow playing him.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 10, 2014 14:32:23 GMT -5
Crawford can be a good player. Right now, he has a very small body of work that justifies his ranking. But we can take a chance on a guy with his upside given what is left in this class of guards.
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Post by IDenj on Sept 10, 2014 14:36:25 GMT -5
Bird in hand.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Sept 10, 2014 14:58:55 GMT -5
This. Always take the bird in hand, especially when the bird in hand is a top 100 recruit who fits a huge need. Recruiting is too unpredictable to get cute.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 16:08:27 GMT -5
Personally, I still don't think he's very high on us.....
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 10, 2014 17:51:29 GMT -5
Bird in Hand, Pa. - Plain We Live - Young and Foolish - Plain and Fancy, our spring high school musical when I was a sophomore. I'm sure no one has ever heard of it. Heck, I had never heard of it, and that was in 1966.
In any case, that rambling aside, you take the bird in hand, if the bird wants to come. No question about it.
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