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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jul 25, 2014 0:38:13 GMT -5
Those kids will struggle. Once they see that, won't become a trend. Huge leap from HS to college. Even bigger from there to pros.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 25, 2014 0:43:09 GMT -5
I don't think the overseas thing will become a trend but I think we will see it happen more often. I think for the elite (top 10) kids that could get high 6/ low 7 figures should always take the money. You go play against men and if you get exposed you are still likely to be a lottery pick (Jennings) because you have the built in excuse. If you get exposed in NCAA your stock plummets. There are numerous top 5 kids this happens to. Now for these kids that are foreign to begin with (Skal/Mudiay) it's even more of a no brainier. You don't even have that family tie to keep you in America. You are also used to living in a foreign country. Plus if you go to China like Mudiay you could become a fan favorite in China so when you come back to NBA it could be great for endorsements/jersey sales etc. That last part is why I could see the NBA being cool with such a trend. But if the NBA moves the age limit up, and the new commish seems to view that as a priority, these players may have to spend two years in China before they can get drafted. That might complicate the matter.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 25, 2014 0:44:47 GMT -5
Disheartening! He'll probably make $1M.....Hope this isn't the new trend. Setting aside that we are recruiting this particular player, I hope this IS a new trend. If a guy doesn't want to go to college, he shouldn't. I'd rather watch four year players than one and dones. I rather see the elite kids go overseas rather than to Kentucky, Kansas and Duke year after year.
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Post by IDenj on Jul 25, 2014 7:34:04 GMT -5
If as an elite prospect you can make a million on a contract overseas, or go to a top flight school and make close to the same amount tax free, my guess is most remain State side. Sounds more like leverage.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 25, 2014 7:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Jul 25, 2014 9:09:04 GMT -5
"But there are so many steps to take, and so many moving parts and things in play, that it's hard to imagine a scenario where the process doesn't become overwhelming at some point because it's not a stretch to suggest Labissiere could eventually be asked to choose between his hometown Tigers, Calipari's NBA factory, another SEC school offering a job to his guardian, and a lucrative contract to play one year overseas before entering the NBA Draft." Plus a school under investigation for various violations, and a school known as BigManU where he will need to compete for available pt. It's a tough situation/decision for the kid. I wonder how his Haitian family is doing. Depending on the answer, it would play a huge part in his decision-making. Btw, what a great name! Good luck to him!
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Post by rpn6 on Jul 25, 2014 9:12:30 GMT -5
Anyone else think this is a waste of time between the big Memphis connections, the Ole Miss potential hiring of his mentor, and the option to play overseas? I know JTIII has watched almost all of his games this summer and usually I trust the stuff but in this case I'm in the boat that we should focus more on other prospects.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 25, 2014 10:36:01 GMT -5
I think the somewhat-sketchy high schools are a scandal waiting to happen. It sounds like the school Labissiere attended was a mess. You also get schools like Findlay Prep that (a) aren't really linked to a real high school and (b) are run more like a mini-professional team than a real high school team.
This actually might be one area where NCAA oversight is beneficial, though my feeling is that there are probably a lot of unethical things that happen that are overlooked or never investigated.
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Post by tigerj on Jul 25, 2014 12:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jul 25, 2014 15:13:17 GMT -5
Given all these recent developments, I'd be perfectly happy if we just moved on from this kid. Doesn't really sound like the juice is worth the squeeze.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 25, 2014 15:43:25 GMT -5
Developments of this nature are part and parcel with being involved in going after elite recruits. I have the utmost confidence that III and the staff are guarding their bases while also swinging for the fences.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jul 25, 2014 17:05:16 GMT -5
Developments of this nature are part and parcel with being involved in going after elite recruits. I have the utmost confidence that III and the staff are guarding their bases while also swinging for the fences. Idk if I agree with this. There are myriad elite recruits who go to legitimate high schools and don't seem to be considering overseas as a realistic option. Maybe he sees some writing on the wall from the NCAA like Mudiay did, who knows. Combine that with the fact that we seem to be competing against Memphis and Ole Miss (two schools that like to bend the rules, we'll say), and I just don't really see a reason to stay on this kid as hard as we have. Talented sure, but there appears to be some potential baggage. If we didn't already have some high quality bigs on board I may feel differently, but we do, so I feel like it might be time to focus our efforts elsewhere.
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Post by tigerj on Jul 25, 2014 17:26:18 GMT -5
This is really just Skal's guardian that bought him over from Haiti trying to make bank. In the end, I think he chooses memphis because he will be a starter and the possibility of Shaq and Austin turning pro is higher than the local pot storing media wants to believe.
I hate how his guardian is approaching this though.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 25, 2014 18:02:16 GMT -5
This is really just Skal's guardian that bought him over from Haiti trying to make bank. In the end, I think he chooses memphis because he will be a starter and the possibility of Shaq and Austin turning pro is higher than the local pot storing media wants to believe. I hate how his guardian is approaching this though. On the face of it, considering the guardian situation and the showcasing opportunity, Ole Miss sounds like the best "fit" if you can call it that. I didn't read anywhere that improving his game is a priority for the kid and that's pretty much all Georgetown has to set it apart from the others. Skal obviously has a lot of concerns other than just basketball. Regardless of how it plays out, talk about a pretty amazing story. I hope that, whatever he chooses, it works out for him and his family.
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Post by tigerj on Jul 25, 2014 19:49:12 GMT -5
Ole Miss gets him if they hire his guardian but is Kennedy really willing to waste an assistant spot on an IT that can't do anything for Ole Miss than bring Skal. Our hire brings his sons and plus Keelon is a fixture on the AAU circuit with connections.
In the end most believe he is going to Memphis if Ole Miss doesn't do anything with the guardian. Recruiting is fluid and we will see.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 25, 2014 20:15:25 GMT -5
If he goes to Kentucky, he gets benefits. If he goes to Ole Miss, he gets guaranteed PT and his guardian gets a job. What does he get at Memphis other than being close to home? Anyway, looks more and more like he's not coming to Georgetown and, outside of hoping that things turn out the best for Skal (he's certainly had it tough enough), that's all I care about. If he's not going to be a Hoya, I couldn't care less who lands him from that list.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jul 25, 2014 20:40:39 GMT -5
Guardians =/= Georgetown
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 25, 2014 21:30:39 GMT -5
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jul 25, 2014 21:55:25 GMT -5
Apparently I've already blocked out the Moses Ayegba era. Turned that page pretty quick.
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Post by tigerj on Jul 25, 2014 22:00:25 GMT -5
If he goes to Kentucky, he gets benefits. If he goes to Ole Miss, he gets guaranteed PT and his guardian gets a job. What does he get at Memphis other than being close to home? Anyway, looks more and more like he's not coming to Georgetown and, outside of hoping that things turn out the best for Skal (he's certainly had it tough enough), that's all I care about. If he's not going to be a Hoya, I couldn't care less who lands him from that list. Memphis offers PT, Close to home, Playing against other top 100 players, ESPN, good conference and out of conference competition, NBA scouts frequent the area because we are located in the same arena as the Grizz, and a shot to always play in the tourney in March. Memphis offers Skal all this and we still produce NBA players under Pastner.
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