tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 23, 2012 10:15:23 GMT -5
As long as the NBA drafts on potential, our offense is going to be less attractive to kids that are heavy on potential and light on skill. Not only does our offense not "showcase" those guys as well as other offenses (though, IMO, it really doesn't hinder that as much as seems to be the consensus), it exposes those skill deficiencies. We never seem to get the super athletes. That said, we get good athletes that are more skilled and have grown up playing against the elite athletes and have, to one degree or another, adapted to keep up with those guys. Put a team of 5 guys on the floor that have made strides in skill to compete with the really athletic guys and you're going to have a team that "exceeds expectations" against the really athletic teams.
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Post by RDF on May 23, 2012 11:32:43 GMT -5
Scrapping the Princeton offense, would me a mistake because a good portion of the NBA runs a form of it in their sets. I know for sure that Sacramento, San Antonio, Philadelphia, Denver, and any Adelman team run forms of the offense. Fact is the offense is based on motion, passing and moving without the ball. That attracts players that know how to play basketball both physically and mentally. At G'town, you gotta have smart players that do 2 or 3 things well Enough with the mention of NBA running the Princeton. NBA teams operate in an uptempo game. 24 second shot clocks, fast breaks, point guards who break down defenses, etc...so while they run some Princeton sets--what they do and what Georgetown does are 2 different things completely. Georgetown is a halfcourt program who runs this system because it's what their coach knows and won't differentiate from. Nothing wrong with that--but quit trying to pretend that elite players should be buying into some notion that III is dying to change to get "faster". He's not.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 23, 2012 12:10:51 GMT -5
I believe he is. Subtly. This offense is different than his final 4 team.
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Post by RDF on May 23, 2012 12:10:57 GMT -5
so why is Brennan around? He has no presence on recruiting trail--and if you aren't operating the system that you get upset when people say you are-then what's hard about making a decision to rid yourself of a guy like Brennan? He brings you nothing on trail.. Congratulations and thanks to Mike Brennan on helping land Stephen Domingo. « Reply #9 on 6/10/11 at 0:29 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mom went to Princeton--so it's a rare case where Princeton background can help the Hoyas. Saw that little blurb about "Michael" helping out. I've seen Domingo single out the relationship with III and that he enjoyed the staff. I've seen Domingo quoted-as mentioning III repeatedly. Saw a blurb that sounds like parent speak in that update. Good--nobody said they are bad people--just not effective recruiters. When you have ties to Ivy League-that will help in a major recruiting battle how often? Did it help with Nerlens Noel? When you have people who speak with recruits/parents mention certain things--and I will be happy to share exactly what is said in a PM with you--I'll go by that. BTW-it's not just me--there are at least 3-4 other posters on this site who have been told/heard same things and none of us know each other or have any ties--so guess we're all wrong. But just the fact I know that you have such a hatred/dislike for me that you need to "get at me" makes me ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 12:51:28 GMT -5
I think it’s pretty clear that 3 was in the lead regarding Domingo’s recruitment. Domingo’s been talking up JT3 for over a year now, Brennan just got mentioned. No offense to Brennan and his recruiting “prowess" but saying this is his get is a stretch
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Post by tonyparker on May 23, 2012 13:30:50 GMT -5
I am pretty sure Brennan was DSR's lead recruiter as well.
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Post by RDF on May 23, 2012 14:35:24 GMT -5
I am pretty sure Brennan was DSR's lead recruiter as well. Hunter took that one over.
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 23, 2012 14:37:44 GMT -5
I think JT3 has been a little bit unlucky to not have all the right pieces to be able to run the "Princeton on Steriods" offense. That offense that can break your defense down in its half court passing and 3pt shooting; and that offense that can run and finish the fastbreak. I say he has been unlucky in that the only guard who could consistently make the team run and finish the fastbreaks in his tenure here was Wright. Had Wright not have had to sit out his freshmen year he would have had a year to run with Green,Summers PE,JR. and Hibbert. If the Hoyas can ever get a PG like Rajon Rondo who can run a fastbreak but can't shoot a high percentage of 3pt shots they should sign him. With the cast he has now for the next 2 years there will be enough 3pt shooters to cover for one average 3pt shooter.
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Post by tonyparker on May 23, 2012 14:42:44 GMT -5
I don't know RDF. I remember seeing Brennan in footage at DSR's games. I also remember DSR publicly wondering where Coach Brennan was following the team's China trip, and prior to DSR's commitment.
Again, I am just speculating, but curious as to how you can be so sure?
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Post by RDF on May 23, 2012 14:59:57 GMT -5
I don't know RDF. I remember seeing Brennan in footage at DSR's games. I also remember DSR publicly wondering where Coach Brennan was following the team's China trip, and prior to DSR's commitment. Again, I am just speculating, but curious as to how you can be so sure? Footage on YouTube was when Brennan was watching with Brad Stevens and other coaches--he ended up choosing Xavier. Saw that tweet about that--later on he mentioned talking to Hunter. Hunter is talking to Midwestern kids that I know of--or at least they told me he's their contact guy. Going to be interesting to compare with XU. They took 2 kids that a lot fans didn't like due to ranking-in Christon/Davis and both liked Georgetown a lot and would've committed. Hoyas took XU de-commit and XU quit recruiting once they landed Christon.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 23, 2012 16:16:34 GMT -5
I think JT3 has been a little bit unlucky to not have all the right pieces to be able to run the "Princeton on Steriods" offense. That offense that can break your defense down in its half court passing and 3pt shooting; and that offense that can run and finish the fastbreak. I say he has been unlucky in that the only guard who could consistently make the team run and finish the fastbreaks in his tenure here was Wright. Had Wright not have had to sit out his freshmen year he would have had a year to run with Green,Summers PE,JR. and Hibbert. If the Hoyas can ever get a PG like Rajon Rondo who can run a fastbreak but can't shoot a high percentage of 3pt shots they should sign him. With the cast he has now for the next 2 years there will be enough 3pt shooters to cover for one average 3pt shooter. If III has been "unlucky," one might think that he would be making a great effort to try to overcome that deficiency. Perhaps he is, but if that's the case, it seems to have escaped the notice of those on this board who follow recruiting avidly. So color me dubious. See Christon and Jordan, and the kid out in Arizona (Hopkins) who seems to be a stud and have some interest in us.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 24, 2012 10:34:29 GMT -5
I believe he is. Subtly. This offense is different than his final 4 team. That's right. I really think JTIII has adapted the offense to his players more than people are often willing to admit. At its core, the offense is still based on the same principles, but it has definitely evolved in significant ways over the last several years. A quick look at the Hoyas' pace demonstrates this point - the team's pace has been much quicker over the last few years compared to the Green/Hibbert era.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 26, 2012 8:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by dreamhoya on May 31, 2012 8:59:45 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 31, 2012 10:05:09 GMT -5
exactly it's all about marketing. We need more articles like this and then to win some games in the tournament.
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Post by Air Jordan on Feb 25, 2013 12:09:35 GMT -5
I wonder if this Princeton Offense is stopping us from being #1 in the BE conference round bout now, oh wait >>>>>>
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 25, 2013 12:40:44 GMT -5
I wonder if this Princeton Offense is stopping us from being #1 in the BE conference round bout now, oh wait >>>>>> The discussion here was never about its success on the floor. The discussion was about its perceived negative effect on recruiting. Completely separate arguments.
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Post by idhoya on Feb 25, 2013 14:36:55 GMT -5
exactly johnny, perception is reality with these kids nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 15:06:04 GMT -5
I have two points to make. 1. I still believe that Georgetown's academics put off some of the recruits. The families love us, but the recruits hesitate. The only small school with premier academics that get some of the top recruits is Duke and even then, there are numerous top tier high school players won't even look at Duke (and Duke won't look at them). If you look at the schools that get top tiered athletes year after year , it is usually good schools with very large student bodies with literally 500 courses to choose from (and some of them are gut courses).
2. I love things the way they are. I don't want to be Kentucky that loses half of its team every year to the pro's. I want to get to know the players over 4 years and watch them develop under a highly competent, highly ethical coach. Quite frankly, I don't want Georgetown to do the things that are done to be a yearly power.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 25, 2013 15:35:33 GMT -5
exactly johnny, perception is reality with these kids nowadays. I wasn't taking a stance one way or the other. Simply pointing out that success on the floor in relation to our system is not the issue being discussed in this thread.
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