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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 28, 2012 9:24:53 GMT -5
I wish Hollis all the luck. But at the end of the day I don't see him getting drafted. There have been many of players who have out performed Hollis tremendously in college and have not been drafted. Hollis is an good player. That's it. There are a lot of good players in college. I think it would have help him out if he would have came back one more year and showed he has an ability to put up big numbers. I don't get how people don't see that he wasn't ever going to put up big numbers here. Why? Because no one really does! We don't have guys that put up 20 and 10, not because they're not capable but because production tends to be more balanced. And there was a real possibility that he wouldn't get much out of another year here. Without a lockout, even if he doesn't get drafted he still has a chance at making an NBA roster. If not he'll go play in Europe where he could've ended up next year anyway. What if he did come back and he put up the same numbers as he did this year, played a similar game, and ended up in exactly the same position he's in now?? Then what? He's a year older with nothing to show for it. I don't know why people just can't be happy for him. Depends on what you define as big numbers. Almost no one in college averages 20 points a game you have a few guys on mid-majors who carry their teams that do, but major college players don't average that much high major stars average 15-18pts a game.(17 players average 20+ points this year 3 from high major schools 2 if you don't count maryland. That's 3 players out of ~4,472 DI players) Jason averaged 14pts a game this year, but averaged over 15 most of the year. Hollis could've come back and done that and I'd have considered that putting up big numbers especially if it included a handful of 20+ point games.
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Post by Jack on Mar 28, 2012 9:44:55 GMT -5
I am personally disappointed that Hollis won't return, but I certainly do not begrudge him the opportunity to make his living, especially if he is graduating. That said, I would have loved him more if he came back, and it makes me a bit sad to think that he apparently does not enjoy playing for Georgetown enough to stick around for what could be a very memorable season.
As for the point that he would have had to be a grad student to return, I am not sure that is totally accurate. As I recall, DJ Owens graduated then spent his 5th year pursuing a second bachelor's degree, not a masters. It is unusual for Georgetown to allow that sort of thing, I know, but there is clearly precedent.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 28, 2012 11:47:47 GMT -5
I wish Hollis all the luck. But at the end of the day I don't see him getting drafted. There have been many of players who have out performed Hollis tremendously in college and have not been drafted. Hollis is an good player. That's it. There are a lot of good players in college. I think it would have help him out if he would have came back one more year and showed he has an ability to put up big numbers. I don't get how people don't see that he wasn't ever going to put up big numbers here. Why? Because no one really does! We don't have guys that put up 20 and 10, not because they're not capable but because production tends to be more balanced. And there was a real possibility that he wouldn't get much out of another year here. Without a lockout, even if he doesn't get drafted he still has a chance at making an NBA roster. If not he'll go play in Europe where he could've ended up next year anyway. What if he did come back and he put up the same numbers as he did this year, played a similar game, and ended up in exactly the same position he's in now?? Then what? He's a year older with nothing to show for it. I don't know why people just can't be happy for him. Well put, regardless of how one defines "big numbers." +1.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 28, 2012 12:05:43 GMT -5
I think it would have help him out if he would have came back one more year and showed he has an ability to put up big numbers. Michael Jordan averaged 19 pts per game his junior year. You really think it would have helped him to stay one more year at Carolina for his senior season instead of jumping to the NBA and averaging 28 pts per game his rookie year? Now granted Hollis is not Michael Jordan but this whole idea that somehow one more year of college basketball is going to dramatically improve a player is pretty much a myth. What ends up happening by staying one more year is that you end up potentially hurting your draft stock or more importantly foregoing a year's worth of salary at whatever level you play at (NBA, Europe, Overseas, NBDL, etc).
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 28, 2012 13:02:59 GMT -5
Hollis is an NBA pure shooter, but needs to develop the rest of his game. Has he done that in the last two years as a HOYA, not really. Can he do it with one more year in the system, maybe, but probably mot. He can develop his skills more by doing it full time, hopefully getting paid for it. His decision was to leave and try another approach. Next year's team could really use him, but that was not the decision he made. Good luck Hollis is all your future adventures.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 28, 2012 13:03:26 GMT -5
I think everyone can basically agree that it would be best for the team's prospects next year for Hollis to stay. It would be nice if he was also one of those people that stayed because he wanted to come back/enjoyed college, like Darrel Owens or Roy Hibbert. But as long as he's getting his degree, I can't begrudge the decision. I hope we can actually confirm that somehow in the coming months.
That said, I really don't think that he will get drafted, and I think he will end up in Europe, and perhaps he'll be able to work himself into the NBA. But I know that if I had one year of eligibility left, and the choice was between maybe making an NBA team vs. one last year of college and everything that entails, plus being the star on a team that should contend for a Big East title and Final Four, I know what I would have chosen. But of course, I'm not Hollis.
Now, if this is all the attrition we see from this year's team, Moses and Tyler are able to come back healthy, and we add one more nice recruit, I think we'll be just fine. I look for Whittington to fill in for Hollis' role as deadly shooter and offensive threat (plus his great D).
Sweet 16 or bust next year.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 28, 2012 13:06:38 GMT -5
I think it would have help him out if he would have came back one more year and showed he has an ability to put up big numbers. Michael Jordan averaged 19 pts per game his junior year. You really think it would have helped him to stay one more year at Carolina for his senior season instead of jumping to the NBA and averaging 28 pts per game his rookie year? Now granted Hollis is not Michael Jordan but this whole idea that somehow one more year of college basketball is going to dramatically improve a player is pretty much a myth. What ends up happening by staying one more year is that you end up potentially hurting your draft stock or more importantly foregoing a year's worth of salary at whatever level you play at (NBA, Europe, Overseas, NBDL, etc). Jordan had an excellent "draft stock" after his junior season. Hollis? I don't know what he is thinking, but a reality check tells him he's not going in the First Round. Who knows what would have happened if he stayed one more year, but I don't think it would have decreased his draft stock when IMO it's low now. What I do understand is that, by June, he will have graduated and wants to earn a salary, play pro ball somewhere, etc...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 28, 2012 13:54:05 GMT -5
Michael Jordan averaged 19 pts per game his junior year. You really think it would have helped him to stay one more year at Carolina for his senior season instead of jumping to the NBA and averaging 28 pts per game his rookie year? Now granted Hollis is not Michael Jordan but this whole idea that somehow one more year of college basketball is going to dramatically improve a player is pretty much a myth. What ends up happening by staying one more year is that you end up potentially hurting your draft stock or more importantly foregoing a year's worth of salary at whatever level you play at (NBA, Europe, Overseas, NBDL, etc). Jordan had an excellent "draft stock" after his junior season. Hollis? I don't know what he is thinking, but a reality check tells him he's not going in the First Round. Who knows what would have happened if he stayed one more year, but I don't think it would have decreased his draft stock when IMO it's low now. What I do understand is that, by June, he will have graduated and wants to earn a salary, play pro ball somewhere, etc... I think going into this year he was projected as late 1st/ 2nd round. And probably would have left if it wasn't for the impending NBA strike. He seemed to get positive feedback at the camp and if you watched this year he really tried to work on his weaknessess by attacking the basket with drives, dipsu doos, and finger rolls. Unfortunately, I think he raised more red flags since this also led to a fair share of turnovers and blown layups that seem to be related to lack of athletism, coordination problems that are hard to correct. This years class is going to be deeper because of people who stayed in college because of the strike but 2nd round is possible. (Austin rivers is projected mid first round because of how deep the draft is) NBA rookie minimum is about 500K. So if he gets drafted 2nd round and sticks that's the opportunity cost he's giving up for staying his senior year. NBA career averages between 4.5 years to 8 years so each year he forgoes to play professionally is taking a big percentage of his income whether it's NBA or Europe (where he probably gets 100K).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2012 14:25:03 GMT -5
That Michael Jordan example has got to be one of the most uncomparable situations I've ever seen.
If Hollis were slated to go #2 in the draft, no one would be questioning whether it was a good idea.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 28, 2012 15:17:16 GMT -5
That Michael Jordan example has got to be one of the most uncomparable situations I've ever seen. If Hollis were slated to go #2 in the draft, no one would be questioning whether it was a good idea. You never watched Dean Smith coach Did you or Jordan before he won his first NBA title.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 28, 2012 16:28:29 GMT -5
That Michael Jordan example has got to be one of the most uncomparable situations I've ever seen. If Hollis were slated to go #2 in the draft, no one would be questioning whether it was a good idea. You never watched Dean Smith coach Did you or Jordan before he won his first NBA title. Seems like a total non sequitur to me. Jordan at Chapel Hill was before my time, but I was a devout watcher of WGN before and after the 90-91 season, and I don't see how what your point is.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 28, 2012 17:27:45 GMT -5
I think balla's take on Hollis is worth posting here (and yes, I received balla's consent to do this):
BTW. Hollis Thompson was every thing we could ask for in a Georgetown player. He was a true student athlete and has already earned his degree. He was a great student, teammate, and all around young man. He worked his butt off and gave his all to the university and the program. I doubt people know how injured he was during the middle of the season, but he played through it and never complained. Nobody can fault a young fella for accomplishing their goals on a college level and moving on. Hollis is highly intelligent and knows that he will not be a first rounder. At best he will be a mid second with a strong possibility of not being drafted. But he has his Georgetown degree, and even if he is in Europe next year that is a nice living. First class kid from a first class family. I luv the young fella, and wish him the best in his future endeavors.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 28, 2012 19:08:08 GMT -5
yup but since hollis graduating is this really and early entry as posted just wondering GOOD LUCK TO A GREAT HOYA always a hoya
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 28, 2012 19:52:02 GMT -5
Like everybody else, I want the Hoyas to be as good as possible next year, so I'd love to see Hollis on the team. However, it sounds like he is making his choice with his eyes wide open. I assume he got and continues to get good advice from the coaching staff and that he has spoken to Hoyas in the NBA and in Europe. Based on his statements after last year, he seems to have gone about the process thoughtfully and methodically.
I trust that he got an excellent life, academic, and basketball education at Georgetown. As an alum and fan, I truly appreciate the contributions he has made to the team over the last three-and-half years and wish him great success in his career.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 28, 2012 20:07:01 GMT -5
I think balla's take on Hollis is worth posting here (and yes, I received balla's consent to do this): BTW. Hollis Thompson was every thing we could ask for in a Georgetown player. He was a true student athlete and has already earned his degree. He was a great student, teammate, and all around young man. He worked his butt off and gave his all to the university and the program. I doubt people know how injured he was during the middle of the season, but he played through it and never complained. Nobody can fault a young fella for accomplishing their goals on a college level and moving on. Hollis is highly intelligent and knows that he will not be a first rounder. At best he will be a mid second with a strong possibility of not being drafted. But he has his Georgetown degree, and even if he is in Europe next year that is a nice living. First class kid from a first class family. I luv the young fella, and wish him the best in his future endeavors. Thanks, but if I wanted that deleted's view on things, I'd check out the deleted he has going on over there. hm
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2012 20:23:04 GMT -5
That Michael Jordan example has got to be one of the most uncomparable situations I've ever seen. If Hollis were slated to go #2 in the draft, no one would be questioning whether it was a good idea. You never watched Dean Smith coach Did you or Jordan before he won his first NBA title. Conversations about Hollis staying revolve around where his draft stock currently is. Jordan's could barely have been higher. Explain to me how it's relevant? Jordan could not raise his draft stock. He was guaranteed a starting spot on an NBA team and a guaranteed contract.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 28, 2012 22:16:34 GMT -5
Ha, we're talking about Micheal Jordan... Good luck to Hollis, hopefully some team will take him as a shooter that can they can develop. He has shown the willingness to expand his game, just needs to work on it more, and during the college season is not the time to add to your game. Keep in mind that most of the older players that he started with are in Europe or the NBA. A good chunk of money can be made there and most Georgetown students can manage their money (AI doesn't count). Maybe Hollis just wanted to make some money quick to open up his own business
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 28, 2012 23:00:46 GMT -5
I think it would have help him out if he would have came back one more year and showed he has an ability to put up big numbers. Michael Jordan averaged 19 pts per game his junior year. You really think it would have helped him to stay one more year at Carolina for his senior season instead of jumping to the NBA and averaging 28 pts per game his rookie year? Now granted Hollis is not Michael Jordan but this whole idea that somehow one more year of college basketball is going to dramatically improve a player is pretty much a myth. What ends up happening by staying one more year is that you end up potentially hurting your draft stock or more importantly foregoing a year's worth of salary at whatever level you play at (NBA, Europe, Overseas, NBDL, etc). Professor has simply brought up Michael Jordan to prove his point that staying in college for one more year may not be as beneficial to Hollis as some of you guys strongly believe, and of course there are like 5-6 posters here mocking him for bringing MJ into the discussion. Pretty sure Professor knows that MJ and Hollis are not on same level as he cleary states. (did a favor by bolding them for some of the blind trolls here ;D) I think Hollis can find a spot in the NBA as a 2nd rounder and role player. He could be more of an athletic version but less accuracy version of Steve Novak. Because he has a good stroke and an NBA-ready body, he will find a role. Wish the best luck to him! Hate to say good bye, but he did represent the university very well
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Post by tashoya on Mar 29, 2012 8:40:05 GMT -5
I'm with the folks that are selfishly sad to see Hollis go. Thanks to Hollis for all of his hard work. Another great Hoya. Best of luck!
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Post by unclebeets on Mar 29, 2012 17:30:13 GMT -5
The kid doesn't want to be in school anymore -- he's put in his time, earned his degree, and now wants to move on to other things just like the rest of us did when we graduated. It's very simple.
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