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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 14, 2005 14:52:03 GMT -5
...oh wait, he's in cow country in Connecticut - pretty much equivalent. UConn can't forget respect
By: Phil Chardis, Journal Inquirer March 14, 2005 www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14142436&BRD=985&PAG=461&dept_id=161561&rfi=6Talent? OK, I'll buy that one. Gumption? Pride?  Get a clue, Stanley. At least he's right that UConn has been showing up like BC lately: we'll just push the button and the opponent will cave for us. |
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Post by the_way on Mar 14, 2005 14:59:36 GMT -5
Yeah, what in the world is this guy talking about. Gumption and Pride was what we had in the game to bring us back that close. UCONN was shooting lights out in the second half and we still weathered the storm. What game was he watching? What an idiot.
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Post by aggypryd on Mar 14, 2005 15:10:37 GMT -5
Talent? OK, I'll buy that one. Gumption? Pride? I'll tentatively agree with the writer... If you haven't been in that situation in awhile, it's hard to draw on those past experiences to let you know that we can win this one... But I think our pride is definitely coming back...we gotta get some 'gumption' and a swagger... |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 14, 2005 15:45:46 GMT -5
Gumption and Pride were incorrect words, I think.
I think this team has more than enough gumption. But maybe not as much confidence and maybe they are a little more content to lose that game than UConn. But maybe not -- these are things often talked about but pretty hard to be sure of.
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Post by YB on Mar 14, 2005 15:48:30 GMT -5
Depends on the player. Jeff does not have enough gumption. Ashanti has too much. BB is about right, I think, most of the time.
Hibbert is inconsistent but shown flashes, ditto Owens.
Tyler has it every time out, in his limited action.
JW had it at the start but steadily lost it. I think for us to win this year, he needs it more than anyone.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 14, 2005 15:50:54 GMT -5
gump·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gmpshn) n. Informal - Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness.
- Guts;
- spunk.
gumptionn fortitude and determination; "he didn't have the guts to try it" [syn: backbone, grit, guts, moxie, sand] Poor word choices IMO. At least in the subject matter of that particular game against UConn, the Hoyas had plenty of gumption and pride.
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Post by aggypryd on Mar 14, 2005 16:05:24 GMT -5
gump·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gmpshn) n. Informal - Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness.
- Guts;
- spunk.
Maybe confidence is a better word, like SFHoya stated in an earlier post... ...and maybe they [Hoyas] are a little more content to lose that game than UConn. . yup... Hopefully we won't be settling for moral victories in the very near future... |
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Post by the_way on Mar 14, 2005 16:11:40 GMT -5
Depends on the player. Jeff does not have enough gumption. Ashanti has too much. BB is about right, I think, most of the time. Hibbert is inconsistent but shown flashes, ditto Owens. Tyler has it every time out, in his limited action. JW had it at the start but steadily lost it. I think for us to win this year, he needs it more than anyone. To say Jeff doesn't have enough gumption and Ashanti has too much is insane. You can never have too much guts. Either you got it or you don't. The way Ashanti took the initiative to spark our team down the stretch against UCONN is indicative of that. Hibbert has it all the time he steps on the court. Jeff is misleading to the naked eye. Those Blocked shots against Seton Hall and UCONN showed his gumption. He went after it. Because he is calm and composed, people mistake that for being nonchalant and not having any fire which is not the case at all. Jeff is like Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan has fire and guts, he just doesn't outwardly express it, so people mistake it for being laid-back. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 14, 2005 16:19:01 GMT -5
Jeff has a sleepy look and rarely gets angry. So he's going to be plagued by the "not trying" label all his career.
It's a shame.
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Post by the_way on Mar 14, 2005 16:24:08 GMT -5
Jeff has a sleepy look and rarely gets angry. So he's going to be plagued by the "not trying" label all his career. It's a shame. Exactly. I remember a couple times in the Big East tournament they made some foul calls on him he didn't agree with,and he had some disgusted/killer looks on his face just like Tim Duncan does, but is was just looks, not enough to get you a Technical foul which is smart play. The fire is there, I just think some people feel like you have to a rah-rah type guy like Alonzo Mourning to have gumption,which is not the case at all. |
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 14, 2005 16:37:21 GMT -5
This is a classic case of how sportswriting can go bad when you're "too close" to a team, as this local writer evidently must be. Over the season, if there's any sort of success or a glimmer of hope for something big--like an NCAA or Big East title, let's say--all of a sudden the season becomes "magical" and the players become a cross between Rocky Balboa and Paul Bunyan.
The result is every close game, every big shot, becomes the equilvalent of Bill Mazeroski hitting a homer to win the World Series, or the Bills coming back from 35-3 down to win a playoff game.
When you actually get to "know" the players as something more than blips on the screen, then you start projecting emotional and spiritual characteristics onto them that they don't necessarily deserve.
In that light, I don't read the excerpt as: "Georgetown doesn't have the foundation, gumption, or pride to compete yet." I read it as: "Surely, the Hoyas cannot possibly have the gumption and pride of our heroic UConn Huskies, who overcame all obstacles and by the sheer will of their personalities--did I mention I talk to Charlie Villanueva like twice a week at least??--dispatched the evil-doers from Washington DC and continued their triumphant march to Big East greatness."
Not that everyone else doesn't do the same thing, especially if they develop favorites. Heck, if I'd written a recap of our NIT Quarterfinal against UNC in 2003, it would have seemed like Drew Hall had had battled back from a terminal illness to knock out Ivan Drago, map the Human Genome, and save a litter of kittens from being slaughtered by Matt Doherty.
Because Drew Hall--now that kid had some GUMPTION!!!
(And, uh, on that note, the 4th Nat Burton Day is tomorrow...)
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 14, 2005 17:55:35 GMT -5
This is a classic case of how sportswriting can go bad when you're "too close" to a team, as this local writer evidently must be. As Troy Brown would say, "We've got BINGO!!!" |
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 14, 2005 19:51:43 GMT -5
Where was UConn's "pride" and "gumption" when they gave up 27 offensive rebounds to Syracuse? Give me a break.
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