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Post by homeonthehilltop on Mar 2, 2012 8:58:32 GMT -5
Bronxitos is back. Where?
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Post by ronnyhighspliff on Mar 2, 2012 9:10:07 GMT -5
RDF.....since you know it all shut down the tourney obviously no one has a chance against Kentucky according to you. Why play? You crown Kentucky like they were the 85 Bears and then add a weak caveat about match ups and anything can happen because the best team does not always win.
You made a statement RDF stick behind it from womb to tomb!
To you Kentucky is the Juggernaut crashing Professor's Xavier School for the gifted looking for his do gooder step brother Chuck. Sounds like you are a Big Blue fan to me. Are you really RDF or Ashley Judd?
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Post by hoyatables on Mar 2, 2012 9:13:32 GMT -5
Commencing ignore . . . now.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Mar 2, 2012 9:30:11 GMT -5
Are the mods unable to compare the IP addresses of the log-ins for Bronxitos and RonnyHighBronx and see that they're the same? :-)
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Post by ronnyhighspliff on Mar 2, 2012 9:30:50 GMT -5
Now RDF here is how I would play Kentucky defensively.
I would play them in a 2-3 and pack it in with a special eye for Lamb on the perimeter. He is their best shooter and he must not be given open looks. If they nail 3's on our zone god bless them. They will win.
I want to take away open looks and limit guard penetration. I also would make the bigs cognizant of 2 things.....lobs and stick back points. I also would demand Lubick and Hopkins get physical with The Uniblocker. He is still light in the cakes albeit skilled. Force may work against him. If you foul him especially at the rim....FOUL HIM!
All 5 players must get back to rebound as we will need all hands on deck.
The way we play defense we should be able to play with anyone since the game will be played our pace. Easier to slow them down than for them to speed us up.
Offensively you said something I disagree with in regards to finishing around the rim. Our bigs who are mainly facilitators have trouble finishing but our guards and forwards finish very well especially Porter.
Now maybe I am confused you spoke of Kentucky pressing? Kentucky has no depth unless you think this is Pitino's Kentucky of 96? Kentucky plays tight D in the half court. That can either kill us or work to our advantage with back cuts and such vs over aggressive play. Again Henry will drag The Uniblocker outside of the paint so he wont be as much a factor at the basket.
Will I guarantee a win? No but I think we have a great chance. Yes!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2012 10:35:10 GMT -5
Let Bronx be Bronx...
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Post by unclebeets on Mar 2, 2012 11:45:14 GMT -5
I'm more interested in whether there will be a VCU-type happening where some school comes out of the pack and runs everyone over (including us).
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2012 13:11:18 GMT -5
I'm more interested in whether there will be a VCU-type happening where some school comes out of the pack and runs everyone over (including us). I think it's time for Georgetown to be the school that comes out of the pack and runs everyone over. Granted, we're not under the radar like VCU was last year, but I think it's time for a Hoyas run.
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Post by RDF on Mar 2, 2012 15:05:44 GMT -5
RDF.....since you know it all shut down the tourney obviously no one has a chance against Kentucky according to you. Why play? You crown Kentucky like they were the 85 Bears and then add a weak caveat about match ups and anything can happen because the best team does not always win. You made a statement RDF stick behind it from womb to tomb! To you Kentucky is the Juggernaut crashing Professor's Xavier School for the gifted looking for his do gooder step brother Chuck. Sounds like you are a Big Blue fan to me. Are you really RDF or Ashley Judd? It's posts like this that make my respect of women's basketball IQ justified. It's called reading comprehension. The question was asked about "what matchups do you like/not like for GEORGETOWN" and my response was Kentucky is a bad matchup for this year's GEORGETOWN team. I'm not talking about the field--I'm talking about GEORGETOWN. Now due to the length of my response, I can see why you may have chosen to skim over things-but if you want to fire shots--and only prove to make yourself look ignorant, you should really master comprehending the material that is written in a discussion. Nowhere did I say that I Kentucky was going to overwhelm the field. I think they are the best team this year/favorite for it--but that doesn't mean that you fear them/they can't lose. What I've stated/stand by is this year's Hoyas team doesn't matchup with them and I gave very detailed reasons why I believe that--which I think most people would concur with. Just because it's a Hoya board doesn't mean we can't talk basketball and if you are going to throw out misinformed info, then expect it to be countered.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 2, 2012 15:07:45 GMT -5
RDF.....since you know it all shut down the tourney obviously no one has a chance against Kentucky according to you. Why play? You crown Kentucky like they were the 85 Bears and then add a weak caveat about match ups and anything can happen because the best team does not always win. You made a statement RDF stick behind it from womb to tomb! To you Kentucky is the Juggernaut crashing Professor's Xavier School for the gifted looking for his do gooder step brother Chuck. Sounds like you are a Big Blue fan to me. Are you really RDF or Ashley Judd? It's posts like this that make my respect of women's basketball IQ justified. It's called reading comprehension. The question was asked about "what matchups do you like/not like for GEORGETOWN" and my response was Kentucky is a bad matchup for this year's GEORGETOWN team. I'm not talking about the field--I'm talking about GEORGETOWN. Now due to the length of my response, I can see why you may have chosen to skim over things-but if you want to fire shots--and only prove to make yourself look ignorant, you should really master comprehending the material that is written in a discussion. Nowhere did I say that I Kentucky was going to overwhelm the field. I think they are the best team this year/favorite for it--but that doesn't mean that you fear them/they can't lose. What I've stated/stand by is this year's Hoyas team doesn't matchup with them and I gave very detailed reasons why I believe that--which I think most people would concur with. Just because it's a Hoya board doesn't mean we can't talk basketball and if you are going to throw out misinformed info, then expect it to be countered. RDF--I'd be curious to know who you think the worst match ups for UK are?
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Post by RDF on Mar 2, 2012 15:44:46 GMT -5
Now RDF here is how I would play Kentucky defensively. I would play them in a 2-3 and pack it in with a special eye for Lamb on the perimeter. He is their best shooter and he must not be given open looks. If they nail 3's on our zone god bless them. They will win. I want to take away open looks and limit guard penetration. I also would make the bigs cognizant of 2 things.....lobs and stick back points. I also would demand Lubick and Hopkins get physical with The Uniblocker. He is still light in the cakes albeit skilled. Force may work against him. If you foul him especially at the rim....FOUL HIM! All 5 players must get back to rebound as we will need all hands on deck. The way we play defense we should be able to play with anyone since the game will be played our pace. Easier to slow them down than for them to speed us up. Offensively you said something I disagree with in regards to finishing around the rim. Our bigs who are mainly facilitators have trouble finishing but our guards and forwards finish very well especially Porter. Now maybe I am confused you spoke of Kentucky pressing? Kentucky has no depth unless you think this is Pitino's Kentucky of 96? Kentucky plays tight D in the half court. That can either kill us or work to our advantage with back cuts and such vs over aggressive play. Again Henry will drag The Uniblocker outside of the paint so he wont be as much a factor at the basket. Will I guarantee a win? No but I think we have a great chance. Yes! 1. So you want to zone them/limit penetration--agree with you-that is Hoyas best defense and chance to win. You better watch Miller and pay attention to Wiltjer when he's in game as well. Problem is they have size too--they aren't a little team either and they are very tough on offensive boards--which has given Hoyas trouble time to time. The more aggressive frontlines and bigger teams have hurt Hoyas on glass. 2. Hoyas give up lobs against lesser teams but will be aware against Kentucky? Calipari's Memphis teams killed Hoyas with Lobs, so that will happen. Lubick gets into foul trouble without needing to be told to foul someone hard. Hopkins isn't going to move Davis at all--he's light in the ass as well. No mention of Henry? He'd have to play out of his mind (again-that was my initial point-Hoyas would have to play a great game and you took issue with that) to combat Davis. Davis has been pushed around by big men--Festus Ezeli is one of the strongest men playing CBB--he's 6'11 280 and Davis dominated him. Davis showed up against Thomas Robinson. The team that had best success being physical was Tennessee with Stokes/Maymon and other strong/tough guys--but that attention opens up boards for Jones, Kidd Gilchrist, Miller, etc..... 3. All 5 players should be helping on glass no matter who you play. 4. Pace of play is dictated on shooting. As I've repeatedly stated-it would take a great shooting game from Hoyas and Kentucky's worst game. (never have I said they couldn't win/dont have chance, said it's the least favorable matchup imo). Pace of play has to factor in turnovers. Hoyas have to play faster then you would prefer in this matchup because they are too sloppy with the ball to be in a possession game. They'd have to look to score on break (rarely happens with a III team), beat press (get to that in a second) and be strong with the ball-no goofball plays like we see 3-5 times per half. Turnovers will happen-but they can't have those plays where guy drops a perfect pass, or dribbles while stepping on the line, etc...UGA just tried to slow down Kentucky yesterday and gave up 79 pts. Kentucky is favorite going into NCAA's because they've shown they can play any style of game. This is much more then a team that rolls the balls out and gets lucky. These guys defend too--and as stated before--they get points out of their defense. Last night they didn't get any fastbreak points and still put up 79 pts. So they aren't some awful halfcourt team either. Fully agree Hoyas are a good defensive team--and can be great. Thing Hoyas have had problems with--speed/athelticism of opposing guards which makes them scramble, they give up a lot of high percentage looks when guards are quick/break them down. They don't recognize shooters like they should/opponents top player often goes off against them-so we both agree-you have to pay attention to Lamb in zone-just like Joseph in Dome right? Theodore? Robinson of KU? Even in wins--Harkless/Harrison kept SJU in a game and you know they are only 2 guys who will hurt you. It's not like you can say Hoyas clamp down on top threat. 5. Guards/Forwards aren't good finishing against shot blocking. Jason is best finisher of guards--but he can be stripped/lose control of ball from guards digging down which happens a lot. If Whittington keeps going to rim like he did this past homestand-it would be great for others to follow his lead. Porter is tough on glass and great no matter the opponent. He still doesn't dunk/finish strong around rim and against shot blockers-you have to go strong and can't fade/play for fouls-they defend without fouling. 6. They don't press? You sure you watch them play? Again--who said they press like Pitino's teams? Nobody. But they press at least a few times per game--Gilchrist at head of press and starts on inbounds man. They gameplan for opponents-if you are weak with ball--they will press. If you are good at guard-they'll play halfcourt defense. Again-who hasn't tried to bring Davis out/away from hoop? The reason he's going to be the #1 pick in June is because of his ability to move/recover. You should know that being a Hoya fan--Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo all had teams try to drag them away from hoop and how did that work? You actually want to attack/go at a shotblocker--like Indiana did and hope ref gives you some calls/he has bad game/fouls. Problem is-why would you foul Henry Sims? He doesn't drive a lot and has rep for flopping/falling to ground-so won't get calls. Henry would have to hit that FT area jumper (but Davis is great on close outs that don't like he's near shooter) and he's more then capable of getting up on Henry/dropping down on backcut/altering the shot. Throw in Jones/Kidd Gilchrist who are good weakside/help defenders and it's hard to backdoor them and get a hoop-you can get good movement--and backdoor would have to be used to get ball to your shooters-so say Jason cuts backdoor-he'd have to get ball-go at rim--draw defense and kick out and shots and hopefully Hollis/Greg would have big game. Who said they wouldn't have a chance? NOBODY. We're talking about preferred matchups for the Hoyas in NCAA's and why we feel that way. The obligatory "You're not a fan-you must love Kentucky...." came too--which I predicted would come in the thread. Every team has a shot/you don't fear teams--but reality is also there. I'll be honest--a 1st/2nd Round game against a Kansas State type of team isn't best matchup for Hoyas--and KSU isn't any threat to get to Final 4-but they play like teams who give Georgetown's teams under III problems-WVU/Cincinnati. Does that make me a Frank Martin lover/KSU fan? Appreciate your enthusiasm but if you are going to talk about the sport--you better be able to back up some homer claim and do so with some sort of proof you watch/know the game. First thing you do in a matchup of teams--is self scout. What do you do well that could hurt them? Where are you weak/would they hurt you? After that--you come up with gameplan that gives you best chance against them--and problem with Hoyas--the best shooter isn't a great ball handler (Hollis) and they would crowd him/make him drive/finish. They funnel everything to middle on defense--so you better be a great 3pt shooting team. Teams with best chance to beat Kentucky are Duke--when they are hitting 3's--they can drive/kick and they'll get calls. Their problem--they are slow and can't defend and would be beaten off dribble--but that 3pt shot makes them dangerous-like UNC game-UNC size killed them but they got hot from 3 and stole a game. Nowhere do I think it's impossible--but praising another team as being good/tough matchup doesn't make me a non-Hoya fan. I said the Hoyas would have to play their best game of the season and Kentucky would have to play a bad game. The beauty of sports is that can happen--but the pain in the ass of message boards is you state that and have someone go on some rampage of innaccurate assessments/statements and in trying to prove they know the game, prove nothing but the fact that reading comprehension isn't a strong suit.
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Post by RDF on Mar 2, 2012 16:05:09 GMT -5
It's posts like this that make my respect of women's basketball IQ justified. It's called reading comprehension. The question was asked about "what matchups do you like/not like for GEORGETOWN" and my response was Kentucky is a bad matchup for this year's GEORGETOWN team. I'm not talking about the field--I'm talking about GEORGETOWN. Now due to the length of my response, I can see why you may have chosen to skim over things-but if you want to fire shots--and only prove to make yourself look ignorant, you should really master comprehending the material that is written in a discussion. Nowhere did I say that I Kentucky was going to overwhelm the field. I think they are the best team this year/favorite for it--but that doesn't mean that you fear them/they can't lose. What I've stated/stand by is this year's Hoyas team doesn't matchup with them and I gave very detailed reasons why I believe that--which I think most people would concur with. Just because it's a Hoya board doesn't mean we can't talk basketball and if you are going to throw out misinformed info, then expect it to be countered. RDF--I'd be curious to know who you think the worst match ups for UK are? Duke--they would have to shoot it well from 3--but they are a draw kick team who has bigs who are athletic/finish around rim. They also take charges and against dribble drive--and with Coach K--you know they'll get calls. UNC--I'd like their chances better if Strickland wasn't out for year but they are big team with 2 bigs who have to be accounted for--like when UNC uses Zeller as focal point and Henson plays off him instead of vice versa. Barnes would have to play well/avoid foul trouble-and dating back to HS/Camps Kidd Gilchrist really bothers him/plays him tough. Syracuse--They are big/deep team. They also get out and run and Cuse could pressure Kentucky--I think teams who pressure Kentucky could give them problems--Teague/Miller can be shaky against press and Cuse uses pressure effectively. They also drive/attack and that is how you get shot blockers in foul trouble. Their weakness is they would have to rebound better. Kentucky would kill them on glass if they keep rebounding like they have all year. Need to play Best Game: Florida State--Big frontline/tough and physical defensive oriented team. Hate that they don't score which is why it would take their best shooting day from Dulkys and Snaer but they defend and are physical--which Terrence Jones doesn't like-he can get frustrated when he's pushed around. Length around rim would take away some of the easy putbacks. Kansas---I don't trust Taylor/Johnson enough as shooters and while KU has improved since first matchup--so has Kentucky and Kentucky toyed with Kansas in first game. Their length/size would be a problem for Kansas--but Robinson might be able to draw fouls on Davis and if outside guys like Teahan are hitting shots--it could happen. Self has done his best coaching job and while having less talent then last year-they play better as a team and are tough. Vandy--It would be a Nova like thing--veteran team who has seen them/played them tough, underachieved in NCAA's with group that should've done better and has a bull in paint in Ezeli who can be physical with Davis and good 3pt shooting surrounding him. Problem area--tinsley at PG--Teague goes wherever he wants and UK gets easy shots. But they have played them 2 times down to last minutes and I expect them to meet again in SEC Title game. Problem with seeing a longshot upset them-the best way to do that is pressure them--not enough teams utilize a fullcourt press and that increases the tempo--which when you do that-Kentucky is at their best--up and down they like to get out and get easy looks/secondary break. Very few teams can match that style of play for entire game--and the teams that control tempo/play halfcourt---Kentucky is going to crowd them on 3pt line and force them to drive inside--where they defend basket better then anyone--so it's why I don't see a major upset candidate happening--especially with them opening in Louisville for opening 2 rounds/home crowd atmosphere.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Mar 2, 2012 16:24:11 GMT -5
Worst match up for UK is Cuse in my eyes. They play a zone, which UK does not shoot it well as a whole from 3, their bigs have been rebounding better since gtown game, and they have size. Also, their guards and wings wont be intimidated by UK. I actually think Cuse has a good shot to win it all this year. I think Waiters is an absolute star and would start for any team in America. I know that will make some people puke around here, but if we are going to honestly assess the field, that would be my assessment.
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Post by juicy1997 on Mar 2, 2012 17:33:58 GMT -5
I dont watch nearly enough non-Hoya basketball to have a well-educated opinion of our best match-ups going forward, but one thing I have been watching all season is (yes, I know, its well-documented) team chemistry. Last summer, I read Bill Simmons Book of Basketball (actually, I skimmed through the detailed analysis of about 85 of the top players or 200 pages), and really was impressed by his talking about "the secret" according to Isaiah Thomas. This just basically talked about the "love for each other" component of winning basketball teams and what a huge quotient its been in most championship teams. Without getting ahead of myself (as I often do this time of year by at least a round or two), I will say that it is something that has provided fantastic consistency to this year's team versus the past few years (we probably all remember our post-Final Four year where allegedly one of the players told his mom not to bother going to the tournament bc the Hoyas didnt have their act together). I dont want to talk about how far a top-10/15 team is supposed to go in the tourney, bc then I might start setting the bar too high. I am just very excited for this tourney bc I have a feeling "the secret" is going to carry us way beyond embarrassing losses. GO HOYAS
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 2, 2012 21:14:12 GMT -5
If we end up with a Syracuse/Kentucky final this year, I may boycott the game. Bleah. I guess I would be forced to root for Kentucky, figuring that the title would eventually be vacated and there would be no champion.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 2, 2012 22:24:48 GMT -5
If we end up with a Syracuse/Kentucky final this year, I may boycott the game. Bleah. I guess I would be forced to root for Kentucky, figuring that the title would eventually be vacated and there would be no champion. Rematch of 1996. Honestly, I don't really care what's necessary to accomplish it, but whatever keeps Cuse from winning another title is what I'm rooting for.
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