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Post by 2ndRyan on Mar 1, 2012 14:01:50 GMT -5
Knight has always liked schools who "did things the right way". Consequently I don't think Knight would ever have liked Kentucky.
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Post by guru on Mar 1, 2012 14:06:40 GMT -5
You guys are overrating Kentucky. Davis it is true we have no answer for but Henry at the high post can draw him away from the goal. Henry has the ability to hit the 18 footer although he has been off recently. Additionally and most importantly they are young and accustomed to success. If they get into a tight spot the pressure might lead to panic. AAU Coach Cal will have no answers see WVU in Sorrycuse 2 years ago. He just recruits and rolls the balls out now. They also have a major jump shooting issue. This chick knows nothing about hoops
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 1, 2012 14:45:57 GMT -5
I think Mizzou would give us fits. They shoot to well to zone them and their ability to dribble drive will be a challenge to man.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 1, 2012 14:49:30 GMT -5
I think Mizzou would give us fits. They shoot to well to zone them and their ability to dribble drive will be a challenge to man. Yes, but I think we could run with them. Maybe win it in overtime, something like 111-102.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 1, 2012 14:52:58 GMT -5
I think Mizzou would give us fits. They shoot to well to zone them and their ability to dribble drive will be a challenge to man. Yes, but I think we could run with them. Maybe win it in overtime, something like 111-102. Yeah, and I feel like Clark would step up and hit some big threes in overtime if it came to that...
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Post by RDF on Mar 1, 2012 15:38:50 GMT -5
You guys are overrating Kentucky. Davis it is true we have no answer for but Henry at the high post can draw him away from the goal. Henry has the ability to hit the 18 footer although he has been off recently. Additionally and most importantly they are young and accustomed to success. If they get into a tight spot the pressure might lead to panic. AAU Coach Cal will have no answers see WVU in Sorrycuse 2 years ago. He just recruits and rolls the balls out now. They also have a major jump shooting issue. Have you ever watched Kentucky play? "roll the balls out..." this is the biggest load of CRAP I've read. Be careful what you wish for and out of all the teams--Kentucky is the worst matchup for Georgetown-they are long/athletic and defend and Darius Miller, Doron Lamb, and Kyle Wiltjer can shoot the ball from deep. They defend the rim--so they would relegate Hoyas to being a jump shooting team and they defend 3pt line to force you to go inside--so good luck with that. Miracles do happen--and maybe Hoyas would have one of those nights--but I'd rather they see a Duke/Big 10 team due to the fact if you take away 3pt line from Duke--which Hoyas do a nice job of-they struggle to score, and they will play man to man despite not having a very quick/athletic team. Any Big 10 team is a poor offensive team but Michigan State would be like Pitt/Cincinnati/WVU in that they'll beat on you and make game physical--it would be test of wills and I'd rather face that then try to match talent with a Kentucky. UNC--at least Hoyas scrimmaged them--but their size/length bothers me inside--too many putbacks/free hoops and not a lot of size to match them if Henry gets into foul trouble. Best matchup for Hoyas--get in with Duke/Missouri as a 2 seed. They could win that type of region due to those teams not being great defensively and reliant on 3pt shot which Georgetown can defend.
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Post by ronnyhighspliff on Mar 1, 2012 16:23:48 GMT -5
I have seen Kentucky enough times thank you. I know what they want to do. It is laughable that you are behaving as if we are facing UNLV 1990 with your needing a miracle shenanigans. The Uniblocker is good but the rest of the team is nothing special.
AAU Cal is not coaching anymore. If you remember the 2x we played his Memphis teams his strategy was to throw the ball up and offensive rebound. I do not think that will work against us that well.
Another weakness we have against quick point guards would be eliminated here since Wall and Rose are not walking through that door and if they did they would be ineligible.
Their shooters are nothing to write home about. If we can limit second chances we can beat them bottom line. You are talking about a team that lost to Indiana and trailed at Starkville by 11 at half like Hurley, Hill and Laettner were out there.
Put your big boy pants on RDF!
Finally they would have a problem with our offense and the back cuts.
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Post by richfame on Mar 1, 2012 17:16:52 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to face KENTUCKY or CUSE is LOST! Like it or not they are by far the best two teams in the country.
Also Id prefer not playing DUKE or UNC in there home state. Other than that we can beat any time and any place. Id like to play Missouri or take another crack at Kansas...
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 1, 2012 17:19:20 GMT -5
I have seen Kentucky enough times thank you. I know what they want to do. It is laughable that you are behaving as if we are facing UNLV 1990 with your needing a miracle shenanigans. The Uniblocker is good but the rest of the team is nothing special. AAU Cal is not coaching anymore. If you remember the 2x we played his Memphis teams his strategy was to throw the ball up and offensive rebound. I do not think that will work against us that well. Another weakness we have against quick point guards would be eliminated here since Wall and Rose are not walking through that door and if they did they would be ineligible. Their shooters are nothing to write home about. If we can limit second chances we can beat them bottom line. You are talking about a team that lost to Indiana and trailed at Starkville by 11 at half like Hurley, Hill and Laettner were out there. Put your big boy pants on RDF! Finally they would have a problem with our offense and the back cuts. You haven't watched Kentucky if you think they play anything like Cal's Memphis teams. Miller, Lamb and Wiltjer can hit 3s, Teague and Jones aren't horrible from behind the arc either. They aren't all John Wallace from behind the arc, but they're all above average. Not to mention that we still have trouble containing guard penetration, which Teague, Kidd-Gilchrest and Lamb are all good at, and then we'd get to see a lot of alley oops to Davis and Jones when our bigs came up to stop their drive. The only way to beat them is to get ridiculously hot from three, which is what Indiana did, and hope that UK's shooters aren't hitting.** They turn turnovers into points, and Kidd-Gilchrest is a stronger/faster version of the Wittington defensively. Oh, and you also need to get Davis into foul trouble, except he doesn't foul. **Indiana shot 60% from 3, UK shot 28%. Kentucky's 1 pt win over UNC was the same--UNC shot 61%, UK shot 23% So basically, what I'm saying, is that you watch ball LIKE A GIRL
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 1, 2012 17:21:45 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to face KENTUCKY or CUSE is LOST! Like it or not they are by far the best two teams in the country. Also Id prefer not playing DUKE or UNC in there home state. Other than that we can beat any time and any place. Id like to play Missouri or take another crack at Kansas... I'm not afraid of Cuse. We can beat them, as we saw in the Carrier Dome. I'm not sure we can beat Kentucky, because I think their strengths line up with our weaknesses too well.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 1, 2012 17:38:54 GMT -5
I think we'd do fine versus Kentucky, but I guarantee they'd have double digit alleyoops against us.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 1, 2012 17:47:35 GMT -5
I have seen Kentucky enough times thank you. I know what they want to do. It is laughable that you are behaving as if we are facing UNLV 1990 with your needing a miracle shenanigans. The Uniblocker is good but the rest of the team is nothing special. AAU Cal is not coaching anymore. If you remember the 2x we played his Memphis teams his strategy was to throw the ball up and offensive rebound. I do not think that will work against us that well. Another weakness we have against quick point guards would be eliminated here since Wall and Rose are not walking through that door and if they did they would be ineligible. Their shooters are nothing to write home about. If we can limit second chances we can beat them bottom line. You are talking about a team that lost to Indiana and trailed at Starkville by 11 at half like Hurley, Hill and Laettner were out there. Put your big boy pants on RDF! Finally they would have a problem with our offense and the back cuts. Actually BronxSpliff is kind of right here, in a twisted way. I actually do want G'town to play Kentucky because that will mean the team had made it to at least a sweet 16 or further depending on if they get the 3 or 4 seed they're projected to get as of today.. I think we'd all sign for that right now considering how bad the last two appearances have been ..
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Post by gahoya on Mar 1, 2012 19:36:45 GMT -5
I think Coach Cal has actually done a very good job of coaching this year. He MKG was the #1 recruit out of high school,and TJ was supposed to be a low lottery pick last year. Anthony Davis is having a record-setting season, but he still has gotten his entire team to buy into whatever the hell he is telling them. Some commentator pointed it out in a game a few weeks ago and obviously said it better than I have, but they are playing good defense, not wasting possessions trying to sell themselves as prospects, and playing team ball. No switching off iso's until draft day.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 1, 2012 21:04:18 GMT -5
Doesn't matter if we win or lose against UK. We either win outright or we win because UK will have to have all their wins vacated.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 1, 2012 21:38:52 GMT -5
During the Marquette-Cincy game Jay Bilas said something very funny. Noted that it was Senior Day at Cincy then said, "That's Something Calipari hasn't seen in a long time".
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 1, 2012 21:42:12 GMT -5
dr quigley pretty funny BUT KEY GAME IS NOW beat marquette thats the one we MUST win wright now.. then one by one LETS FOCUS ON THE PRESENT wright now ok?? go hoyas
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 1, 2012 21:48:45 GMT -5
During the Marquette-Cincy game Jay Bilas said something very funny. Noted that it was Senior Day at Cincy then said, "That's Something Calipari hasn't seen in a long time". That's weird. ESPN's broadcasting Kentucky's senior night right now.
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Post by austintex on Mar 1, 2012 23:39:06 GMT -5
What a difference a week makes. If someone had tried to come on here last Thursday and post whether or not we matched up well with Kentucky, they would have ended up in tears.
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Post by RDF on Mar 2, 2012 1:07:20 GMT -5
I have seen Kentucky enough times thank you. I know what they want to do. It is laughable that you are behaving as if we are facing UNLV 1990 with your needing a miracle shenanigans. The Uniblocker is good but the rest of the team is nothing special. AAU Cal is not coaching anymore. If you remember the 2x we played his Memphis teams his strategy was to throw the ball up and offensive rebound. I do not think that will work against us that well. Another weakness we have against quick point guards would be eliminated here since Wall and Rose are not walking through that door and if they did they would be ineligible. Their shooters are nothing to write home about. If we can limit second chances we can beat them bottom line. You are talking about a team that lost to Indiana and trailed at Starkville by 11 at half like Hurley, Hill and Laettner were out there. Put your big boy pants on RDF! Finally they would have a problem with our offense and the back cuts. This analysis is about as poor as Doris Burke calling a game. It's outdated, full of misinformation and homerism. We're all Hoya fans--but since you want to view another team in a negative fashion, here's the areas/reasons I'm not confident in that matchup: 1. Georgetown is amongst the worst teams in country at finishing at the rim. Throw in Kentucky's shotblocking ability and it eliminates inside baskets. You eliminate inside from Hoya offense and that makes the offense one dimensional. How have Hoyas faired in that type of scenario under III? 2. Hoyas are a sloppy halfcourt team and commit stupid/unforced errors. Kentucky forces turnovers and more importantly scores off their defense. What makes you confident that Hoyas just tighten it up and don't have their inbounds difficulties, etc....and if anything--how would Hoyas respond to having to play a more efficient game that silly unforced turnovers cannot happen? Is it even possible for this group? Can't blame it on youth either as the older players are the biggest culprits in this area. 3. You throw out the "bad" Kentucky win at Miss State--they were down 7 with 6 and half minutes left and won by 9. Every team has bad games--do you not remember Seton Hall last week? Hoyas lost to Pitt who is a disgustingly crappy team. It happens. Oh wait--we're talking about a win--nevermind. You mention the Indiana loss. In that loss Davis played 22 minutes, Indiana made 12-13 consecutive shots and was up double digits most of the game and still needed a last second 3 at buzzer to win at home. Since then--they haven't lost a game, so I'd say that's impressive and not a bad loss. To compare it to Seton Hall game Hoyas lost last week by 18, it was similar--guys were on fire from 3, they were making shot after shot and still Kentucky rallied and took the lead into late seconds. Yeah that's a really bad loss. 4. Teague is faster then hell-he's not as good as Derrick Rose or John Wall but he's fast/quick and would be tough for Hoyas guards to stop from penetration. He's also played well in big moments and if you watch them, you'd notice he actually plays his best when Kentucky is behind--and almost single handedly willed them to stay in/take lead in Indiana game. Hoyas are excited if Markel Starks hits a jumper and doesn't commit 3 fouls in 5 minutes. You commentary about him makes me wonder if you have any concept of speed? 5. Georgetown offense isn't hard for good athletes to defend because they can overplay the passing lanes and especially when you have a shot blocker/shot blocking as a team and speed/length overall. One of the knocks against the offense Hoyas utilize is that you can defend spots/not players. Hollis Thompson is a shooting threat--but Hoyas don't run plays for him to point you have to be concerned with him--if he's 3-3 to start a game--he might end up 3-5 for game if you take away his spots where he receives ball and defend dribble hand off. Name a player and it's that way. When you scout Hoyas--you often have other scouts ask "why don't they.....' or "never knew he could...." because the players are in their spots and if they are guarded by Johnny Jerkoff--or by an elite defender-doesn't really matter because ball goes to spots/pattern-not to exploit opponents. Team ball is always important--but part of being a good offense is knowing where/who to attack. Hoyas offense doesn't do that consistently. 6. Kentucky will press and Georgetown's inability to protect the ball and their limited ball handling would come into play. If they beat pressure, would they attack the press? That has been too inconsistent to say that you know Hoyas will and when/if they attacked, can they finish? Again--this team struggles finishing at rim against defense/traffic. So now you put best shot blocker/shot blocking team in CBB and think that will change for better? Fab Melo intimidated Georgetown's frontcourt guys, but Anthony Davis wouldn't? 7. You're analysis of Calipari as a coach is ignorant.-the idea of coaching is to get great players and make the game easy. You don't get more points for making baskets due to being a "Genius" who draws up great plays. Calipari is a very good bench coach and always has been. If you think the guy rolls the "Ball out and lets em play"--you need to be sent to same place the scout who compared J'Mison Bobo Morgan to Alcindor and Walton went. I can't help you if you don't understand coaching and the basic premise. All these guys can X and O--in college it's about getting talented guys and making sure they play as a team and put aside individual goals to make team better. The staple of his teams is they defend and that is harder when you have 1 and done types--who are stat oriented--but they buy into what he's saying and it's been successful. He proved he could coach 4 year guys at UMass and win. He proved he could coach a mix of older/younger guys at Memphis and win. If the lob is working-why the hell wouldn't you do it? If your team is able to do something easy--why make it hard? Does it make you a better coach to run a pattern that doesn't result in scoring but looks like you spent more time then other team who is dunking/shooting layups? Result is same--hoops count same and wins count same whether you make something look hard/easy. If you have talent that you can overwhelm most opponents, why not give them freedom to perform instead of restrict them? Think you are confusing not liking how he gets the talent with him as a coach. Two different things. 8. Nobody is saying that Kentucky is 1990 UNLV. Nobody is these days nor will they be because players don't stay around. So that comparison matters in what way? And '91 UNLV lost to Duke who ended up going back to back like Hoyas in '06 did with UF--who was a damn good team. Were they '90 UNLV good? Were Hoyas '80's Hoyas good? no. We're talking about who would be good matchup for this year's Georgetown--not past Hoya teams. Too many people buy stock into "The system" and fact is this Hoya team is not a very consistent/good offensive basketball team where "the system" effects opponents. Doesn't mean I dont' think they are a good team. I think Hoyas are well coached, have young talent, and will be great in near future with some added parts--but the areas they are weak and the areas Kentucky is strong, make that game a very, very bad matchup for this group. Last time I checked that was the question asked in title of thread, correct? I'm also not saying that Kentucky will definately win the title-because we've seen the best team doesn't always win--but matchup wise-it would take a flawless shooting game and a really poor game from Kentucky to see Hoyas pull that one off. That's not being crazy to say that. It's being realistic based on watching both teams play all season. If you want a homerish response-then add that to your post, but it's same type of analysis of Georgetown from other fanbases that annoy a lot of people and they are just misinformed about Hoyas as you are about Calipari/Kentucky. If you don't like them--no problem/understand. But to belittle them/what they've done as if they are just lucky and roll the ball out. I'll ask you this--what area do you really think Georgetown has a distinct advantage other then coaching?--because you made it clear you think Calipari can't coach. So how would you attack them? What do you think Hoyas would do to pose problems for them? Where does scoring come from? Would you press them? Would you zone them? You know why most NBA teams dont' zone right? Size and offensive rebounding. (think of what Hoyas did to Cuse--only with Kentucky-their guys finish at rim) Would you play them man? Would you run with them or control tempo? Since you think so little of them, share how it would be favorable? Myself and others have shared why we prefer other teams and reasons why which fit this year's team best. Nobody is scared of anyone-its basketball--but you have certain paths that you would prefer if possible and the one that avoids Kentucky until New Orleans if at all is way I would prefer for this year's Hoyas.
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Post by dense on Mar 2, 2012 1:15:30 GMT -5
I'd quote RDF's post but he pretty much said it all. Only one thing I would add is what someone said earlier this Kentucky team is a very good shooting team at times behind the arc. Even Davis tonight hit a 3.
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