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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 27, 2012 10:38:09 GMT -5
That's a tough call. We obviously want to win out, but quite frankly, I prefer the result I mentioned above. We win tonight, Marquette beats Cinci, Lville beats USF. End of story. That means we and Marquette aren't playing for much more than the 2-3 seed on Saturday, and is that really that big of a deal? That's loser talk! I want 2nd place. We're at least the 2nd best team in the conference and that's where we should aim to finish. I'll be satisfied as long as we're top 4, but I'd prefer to be 2nd. If marquette doesn't lose to cinci we're not playing for the 2-3 seed they'll be locked into the 2 seed. If marquette beats cinci the best we can do is 3rd even if we beat marquette. And being behind marquette in the standings after we beat them twice would severely Edited me off.
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Post by Deez Scruggs on Feb 27, 2012 10:38:33 GMT -5
Yeah, we really cant afford to be in any tiebreaker situstion with Cinci. Thst's why it was so big that they lost yesterday, and hopefully Marquette does us the favor of beating Cinci on Wednesday after we beat up on ND tonight! That would basically settle it unless USF wins out. Truth be told, USF finishing in 4th and us finishing in 5th might not be the worst thing in the world. Fair enough - but us finishing 4th and them in 5th is better.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 27, 2012 10:40:39 GMT -5
ACTUALLY WE NEED TO JUST WIN but just saying id rather be second or third not fourth then dont face cuse till we beat em in the CHAMPIONSHIP yup that would be sweet but lets just BEAT NOTRE DAME wright now thats whats we need to do go hoyas
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Post by guru on Feb 27, 2012 10:49:01 GMT -5
That's a tough call. We obviously want to win out, but quite frankly, I prefer the result I mentioned above. We win tonight, Marquette beats Cinci, Lville beats USF. End of story. That means we and Marquette aren't playing for much more than the 2-3 seed on Saturday, and is that really that big of a deal? That's loser talk! I want 2nd place. We're at least the 2nd best team in the conference and that's where we should aim to finish. I'll be satisfied as long as we're top 4, but I'd prefer to be 2nd. If marquette doesn't lose to cinci we're not playing for the 2-3 seed they'll be locked into the 2 seed. If marquette beats cinci the best we can do is 3rd even if we beat marquette. And being behind marquette in the standings after we beat them twice would severely Edited me off. Being behind Marquette in the standings is entirely our fault. I really want to play Syracuse in the finals, so I'm hoping our path shakes out with that as our BET end game.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 27, 2012 11:35:18 GMT -5
Yeah, so it's not loser talk to want Cinci to beat Marq, but it is loser talk to want Marq to beat Cinci? Like guru said, losing out to Marq if we beat them twice is entirely our fault. Who really cares about 2-4th place as long as we get the double-bye? Like I said, of course, everyone wants us to win out, first. So, dont tell me its loser talk.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 27, 2012 12:30:46 GMT -5
The only way Marquette beating cinci helps us is if we don't win out. Not thinking we'll win out = thinking we will lose = loser talk. But I was mostly and still am joking.
But seriously you don't care about being 2nd or 4th?
You can argue it'd be our fault if we beat them twice but were still behind them in the standings, but you can just as easily argue its because of the unbalanced schedule. ( I wouldn't since theirs isn't really easier than ours at all, but with an unbalanced schedule you don't always get the teams in the right order and us beating them head to head 2x would imply we were the better team)
Differences in the two schedules: They played @ Nova, @ Cinci; got pit at home, got louisville at home, played seton hall at home, play at Uconn, played at ND We played providence at home and St. John's away; Played Louisville, pitt, and seton hall on the road and we got Uconn and ND at home
Other than that the rest of the schedules were identical in terms of who we played and where, but ignores timing of the games.
Point is why would you not want to be seeded as high as possible. I'd rather roll the dice and have a shot at 2nd even if it means a chance of 5th than to play it safe. If we win out we're top 4 no matter what. A lot has to happen for us to fall out of 4th even if we do go 1-1 so I'm really not concerned about it.
a scenario I don't think I saw covered was a 3 way tie between Gtown, Cinci, and USF. We'd all be 1-1 in the mini conference. We all lost to cuse so it would go to Marquette next. If we go lose to ND but beat Marquette we'd get the nod over Cinci because we'd be 2-0 and they'd be 1-1. But if we lost to Marquette but beat ND it would then go to ND and cinci we would be tied again. So I guess it would go to the next team below us presumably louisville which would also do no good, and they'd have to move to the next team currently seton hall and there we would lose out.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 27, 2012 12:45:09 GMT -5
The only thing we can control is the double-bye. Finishing 2, 3 or 4 is beyond our control. So, why would you root for things that make it harder for us to get the double-bye? I know you arent extremely serious, but you have to see a bit of irony in saying, "That's loser talk. I want 2nd place." Why are you concerned about finishing 2nd? Its not first anyway. And, like you said, it can be understood in part because of unbalanced scheduling. So, no, I dont care much about 2nd or 4th, especially if it means we play Marq on Saturday not having already clinched the double bye. Truth be told, I like a path that could have us playing USF and Syracuse in the semis. I think Syr is scared to death to play us again. They know they stole that game from us.
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Post by guru on Feb 27, 2012 12:49:37 GMT -5
The only thing we can control is the double-bye. Finishing 2, 3 or 4 is beyond our control. So, why would you root for things that make it harder for us to get the double-bye? I know you arent extremely serious, but you have to see a bit of irony in saying, "That's loser talk. I want 2nd place." Why are you concerned about finishing 2nd? Its not first anyway. And, like you said, it can be understood in part because of unbalanced scheduling. So, no, I dont care much about 2nd or 4th, especially if it means we play Marq on Saturday not having already clinched the double bye. Truth be told, I like a path that could have us playing USF and Syracuse in the semis. I think Syr is scared to death to play us again. They know they stole that game from us. "That's loser talk. I want 2nd place" should go on a t-shirt. Classic.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 27, 2012 13:25:19 GMT -5
My point is that We control our destiny. Cinci beating marquette doesn't in itself make it harder for us to get the double bye. As long as we win out we cannot lose the double bye. Even if we beat ND and Marquette beats cinci we will not have clinched the double bye. USF could win out and we would get bumped to 5th. The only thing that clinches the double bye is winning out.
It seems to me your opinion on whether we can win out colors peoples opinion on this issue. If like me you think we'll win out anyway you want us to get the best seed possible and that means marquette losing to cinci. If you're nervous about us going 1-1 then obviously you want the scenario that still leaves us in the top 4. I get that.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 27, 2012 14:04:07 GMT -5
Winning out, controlling our own destiny - those are givens. We are talking about the alternatives. In the alternative, you, as well, as everyone else should root for Marquette to beat Cinci. Im not sure why you wouldnt do that? And, yeah, of course, we will be rooting against USF as well.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 27, 2012 16:25:34 GMT -5
I think they myriad seeding permutations remaining will be a more enjoyable discussion AFTER WE WIN TONIGHT and seeing how the mid-week games shake out!!!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 27, 2012 17:35:26 GMT -5
I'd like to finish second in order that we can beat SUcks in the finals. Again!
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Post by KirbyKeger on Feb 27, 2012 21:35:18 GMT -5
What do the scenarios look like now?
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Post by alleninxis on Feb 27, 2012 21:38:11 GMT -5
Win and we're the 3 seed, or the 2 if Marquette also were to lose on Wednesday.
Choosing not to think about any scenarios that have us losing on Saturday.
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Post by Deez Scruggs on Feb 27, 2012 22:05:26 GMT -5
What do the scenarios look like now? I think this is right: 1) Hoyas are guaranteed at least the 4th seed and a double bye with a win vs. Marquette OR BOTH any Cincy loss AND any USF loss. 2) Hoyas are guaranteed at least the 3rd seed with a victory over Marquette. 3) Hoyas can get the 2nd seed with a victory over Marquette and a Marquette loss Wednesday vs. Cincy. Note that Marquette winning that game, however, helps fulfill one of the conditions in #1 that guarantee a Hoya double bye. Be careful what you wish for! 4) Hoyas can still get the 4th seed even if ONE of USF or Cincy win out IF Notre Dame loses to Providence next Saturday. Not a position you want to be in, but if ND plays as badly as they did today, they could lose that game. Relevant games: USF @ Louisville Wed. 2/29 Cincinnati vs. Marquette Wed. 2/29 USF vs. West Va. Sat. 3/3 Cincinnati @ Villanova Sat. 3/3 Hoyas @ Marquette Sat. 3/3 Notre Dame vs. Providence Fri. 3/2
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Post by westendhoya on Feb 27, 2012 22:17:38 GMT -5
What if Nd lose and cinch and USC lose a game each
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 27, 2012 22:29:15 GMT -5
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 27, 2012 22:31:42 GMT -5
This was a huge win tonight.
The Hoyas are in very good shape for the double bye no matter what happens on Saturday vs. Marquette. The most likely outcome if you just go by Vegas odds is that we will end up #4. Quette favored to beat Cincy. Louisville favored to beat USF. ND favored to beat Providence. Syracuse favored to beat Louisville.
And if we win at Quette, sliding into #2/3 would, frankly, be amazing and seal up no lower than a #3 NCAA seed for certain. Unreal.
Lots of hoops left to be played, but it is nice we can sit back and enjoy the carnage on Wednesday.
And, worst case, we slide down to 5/6, heck, we get an extra game and can punish Cincy/USF/ND/Louisville next Thursday night. None of those teams scare me (except maybe Ville).
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 27, 2012 23:17:39 GMT -5
great win we must just WIN ON SAT AT QUETTE dont depend on nobody just do it yourselves hoyaS just do it yup and move move move and move on YES
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Post by millerj9 on Feb 27, 2012 23:51:03 GMT -5
What do the scenarios look like now? I think this is right: 1) Hoyas are guaranteed at least the 4th seed and a double bye with a win vs. Marquette OR BOTH any Cincy loss AND any USF loss. 2) Hoyas are guaranteed at least the 3rd seed with a victory over Marquette. 3) Hoyas can get the 2nd seed with a victory over Marquette and a Marquette loss Wednesday vs. Cincy. Note that Marquette winning that game, however, fulfills one of the conditions in #1 that guarantee a Hoya double bye. Be careful what you wish for! 4) Hoyas can still get the 4th seed even if ONE of USF or Cincy win out IF Notre Dame loses to Providence next Saturday. Not a position you want to be in, but if ND plays as badly as they did today, they could lose that game. Relevant games: USF @ Louisville Wed. 2/29 Cincinnati vs. Marquette Wed. 2/29 USF vs. West Va. Sat. 3/3 Cincinnati @ Villanova Sat. 3/3 Hoyas @ Marquette Sat. 3/3 Notre Dame vs. Providence Sat. 3/3 thanks for this. one minor correction: ND plays Prov on Friday night 3/2.
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