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Post by chep3 on Feb 16, 2012 14:31:57 GMT -5
For the old school Hoya fans.... Was AI interested in GTown before the arrest. I have always assumed that he woould have been at UNC, UK, or UCLA if he hadn't gotten in trouble. I have no knowledge of his recruitment. Just a gut feeling from the few times I've been around him............ Wasn't he supposed to go to GW?
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 16, 2012 17:03:37 GMT -5
For the old school Hoya fans.... Was AI interested in GTown before the arrest. I have always assumed that he woould have been at UNC, UK, or UCLA if he hadn't gotten in trouble. I have no knowledge of his recruitment. Just a gut feeling from the few times I've been around him............ Wasn't he supposed to go to GW? GW as in George Washington? I don't know but there are legendary tales on the Peninsula about how AI murdered McGinnis, Capel, and Stackhouse on the AAU circuit prior to his junior year. I can't imagine that a 2nd year of killing the AAU circuit plus undoubtedly a 2nd straight state title, would have landed AI at GW................ I know that they had a really good team led by Pops but GW still seems way below AI's talent level...............
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 16, 2012 17:22:20 GMT -5
If a player exactly like Allen Iverson came along today (with the same criminal past, etc.), do you think there's any chance Georgetown would recruit him? I'm guessing not, but you never know.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 16, 2012 17:30:17 GMT -5
If a player exactly like Allen Iverson came along today (with the same criminal past, etc.), do you think there's any chance Georgetown would recruit him? I'm guessing not, but you never know. Why wouldn't JT3 recruit him?
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 16, 2012 17:31:18 GMT -5
Wasn't he supposed to go to GW? GW as in George Washington? I don't know but there are legendary tales on the Peninsula about how AI murdered McGinnis, Capel, and Stackhouse on the AAU circuit prior to his junior year. I can't imagine that a 2nd year of killing the AAU circuit plus undoubtedly a 2nd straight state title, would have landed AI at GW................ I know that they had a really good team led by Pops but GW still seems way below AI's talent level............... Pops? GW had the legend Yinka Dare before Pops.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 16, 2012 17:53:44 GMT -5
If a player exactly like Allen Iverson came along today (with the same criminal past, etc.), do you think there's any chance Georgetown would recruit him? I'm guessing not, but you never know. Why wouldn't JT3 recruit him? It seems to me like the team generally avoids recruiting people with difficult or checkered pasts, but I suppose I could be wrong. We usually know very little about the background of our recruits, though I'm guessing few are similar to Iverson's background. Of course, from a talent perspective, of course we should be recruiting somebody like that.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 16, 2012 17:54:57 GMT -5
Why wouldn't JT3 recruit him? It seems to me like the team generally avoids recruiting people with difficult or checkered pasts, but I suppose I could be wrong. We usually know very little about the background of our recruits, though I'm guessing few are similar to Iverson's background. Of course, from a talent perspective, of course we should be recruiting somebody like that. I don't see why GU in 1994 would be any different than GU in 2012.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 16, 2012 18:34:09 GMT -5
It seems to me like the team generally avoids recruiting people with difficult or checkered pasts, but I suppose I could be wrong. We usually know very little about the background of our recruits, though I'm guessing few are similar to Iverson's background. Of course, from a talent perspective, of course we should be recruiting somebody like that. I don't see why GU in 1994 would be any different than GU in 2012. Except that it clearly is different. But I think that's a product of the coach and what he looks for in a player. Would JT Jr. have recruited Jonathan Wallace? Who knows? They're two different coaches with different styles. From a fan's perspective, I think III is less likely to rein in a troubled but talented kid; I think he's more likely to find an academically talented kid who's off the radar and try to coach him in his system. Not saying either approach is better. But I think it's pretty obvious that III does things differently than his dad.
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Post by whatmaroon on Feb 16, 2012 18:45:21 GMT -5
Gasaway's rankings seem to be heavily influenced by his perception of how good a team has done in their conference and his relative weighting of conferences. In his latest Tuesday column, www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2069, you can see Memphis is dominating C-USA, while the Hoyas are third in the Big East, just behind Marquette and well behind SUcks. I disagree with him, but respect his methodology has very little to do with "Team X beat Team Y."
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2012 18:59:21 GMT -5
We'd recruit him. Would he recruit us as strongly?
Jon Wallace is no counter-argument. III recruited him at Princeton, then let him walk-on. There was literally no downside to Jon was willing to do.
III has repeatedly recruited kids with less than stellar academics -- Latavious anyone? -- and while Allen was in jail, I think whatever rationalization JT, Jr. had -- he's served his time; he was railroaded -- are both valid and something III would possibly agree with.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2012 19:01:15 GMT -5
Gasaway's rankings seem to be heavily influenced by his perception of how good a team has done in their conference and his relative weighting of conferences. In his latest Tuesday column, www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2069, you can see Memphis is dominating C-USA, while the Hoyas are third in the Big East, just behind Marquette and well behind SUcks. I disagree with him, but respect his methodology has very little to do with "Team X beat Team Y." I used to like Gasaway, but his weird insistence on using conference numbers NOT adjusted for competition -- especially early in conference season -- makes his methodology useless to me. He won't respond to the criticism nor upgrade -- even though those stats seem readily available. Just keeps plugging away watching as he touts teams with weak conference schedules early.
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Post by chep3 on Feb 16, 2012 19:02:40 GMT -5
GW as in George Washington? I don't know but there are legendary tales on the Peninsula about how AI murdered McGinnis, Capel, and Stackhouse on the AAU circuit prior to his junior year. I can't imagine that a 2nd year of killing the AAU circuit plus undoubtedly a 2nd straight state title, would have landed AI at GW................ I know that they had a really good team led by Pops but GW still seems way below AI's talent level............... I thought I remembered reading somewhere that AI was super tight with an assistant at GW and was leaning toward them before his arrest, despite the obvious fact that it was GW. I'm not saying it made much sense, but it would've been based on a completely personal connection. I may be way off base though.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 16, 2012 19:33:32 GMT -5
For the old school Hoya fans.... Was AI interested in GTown before the arrest. I have always assumed that he woould have been at UNC, UK, or UCLA if he hadn't gotten in trouble. I have no knowledge of his recruitment. Just a gut feeling from the few times I've been around him............ Hoyazeke As far as I know, there was no contact between GU and AI prior to his arrest. Most of the top programs in the USA were all over him though. After he went to jail, almost all teams backed off. His mom, however, reached out to contact JT. Maybe through Boo Williams? Mom knew of JT because of Alonzo who was from the area and also a Boo Williams AAU player. Mom persuaded JT to get involved... and eventually AI was pardoned by the Gov of VA, released , got his HS diploma outside of school, was later exonerated via further legal steps. AI was the #1 recruit in the country the year before, and was also a Top 10 recruit in FB. His arrival at GU invigorated Pops and the entire program. Excerpts from 1993 SI story: Iverson is considered more than just another blue-chip prospect. Indeed, most of the leading evaluators of schoolboy basketball talent think he could be a player for the ages. "He's the most physically gifted guard I've ever seen in high school," says Tom Konchalski, a veteran recruiting expert who publishes a newsletter on East Coast high school basketball.
"You have to start talking about people like Isiah Thomas and Nate Archibald when you talk about Iverson," says one college coach who wished to remain anonymous because NCAA rules forbid coaches from publicly assessing a high school player's skills. "He might be the quickest guard I've ever seen, quicker than Kenny Anderson. Give me my pick of Anderson, [Cal's Jason] Kidd, any of the top guards who have come out in the last dozen years, and I'd probably have to take Iverson...
Iverson turned in an eye-opening performance at the Nike summer camp in Indianapolis and was named MVP at five summer tournaments as a member of Marcellus (Boo) Williams's summer league program in southeastern Virginia. He forced recruiting mavens to take their hyperbole to new heights
"He's almost an overnight sensation," says Williams, who also coached NBA players Alonzo Mourning, J.R. Reid and Bryant Stith in his summer program. "One summer no one knows who you are, and the next, you're the Number One player in the country. "
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138317/1/index.htm
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Post by alleninxis on Feb 16, 2012 20:04:31 GMT -5
If you let AI tell it, he would have been playing football had he never gone to jail.
but IIRC, Kentucky/Pitino seemed to have been on him pretty strong before that point for hoops.
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