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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2012 13:42:15 GMT -5
We should pin Pash's post somewhere.
That's the best explanation I've ever read and much more clear than anything I've seen from the NCAA.
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It bears noting that if you have 13 scholarship players, there are 52 possible points that year before waivers, etc. To get below a 925, you need to lose 4 points.
It's tough to maintain if your people leaving don't care about school and don't transfer/go pro in good academic standing. It's not that tough to maintain if they are -- as PASH points out if kids are doing their school work, going pro loses no points and transfers often lose no points, or only one point.
UConn is probably right that going pro/transfers are an issue, but they are only an issue in conjunction with eligibility issues.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 13, 2012 14:03:10 GMT -5
Great posts, Pash. Really enlightening.
Say, you aren't actually Victoria Beckham, are you? ;D
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Post by gujake on Feb 13, 2012 14:49:00 GMT -5
Holy crap pash, thank you so much for writing that up. I have spent a frustrating amount of time trying to figure out the waiver/exemption rules and was never able to completely figure them out because the NCAA doesn't seem to publish the exact rules anywhere -- other than to note that they exist on a case-by-case basis.
Now I understand. Thanks!
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Post by kchoya on Feb 13, 2012 15:12:47 GMT -5
Does the claim that Cuse has 37 Rhodes Scholars as "walk-on" players on their bench to inflate their APR hold any water?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 13, 2012 19:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by CO_Hoya on Feb 13, 2012 20:32:40 GMT -5
Which means that Andre Drummond can play the second semester without going to a single class then leave for the draft, and UConn will receive no penalty.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 13, 2012 20:45:38 GMT -5
Which means that Andre Drummond can play the second semester without going to a single class then leave for the draft, and UConn will receive no penalty. Which just goes to show that it is the biggest joke in the world that Andre Drummond is some how considered to be a walk on
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 13, 2012 21:54:53 GMT -5
Does the claim that Cuse has 37 Rhodes Scholars as "walk-on" players on their bench to inflate their APR hold any water? As others have said it doesn't affect the APR but does probably get included for overall graduation rates for the program.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on May 2, 2012 11:54:01 GMT -5
Great explanation, pash -- thanks for the clarification!
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 2, 2012 12:15:46 GMT -5
What troubles me about the APR is the possibhle impact on HBCU schools. Many of these universities take chances with high risk students. Students that other D1 programs will bypass due to risks...... Hope that John Thompson will address this issue as he did prop 42, & 48.
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Post by kchoya on May 2, 2012 12:38:08 GMT -5
What troubles me about the APR is the possibhle impact on HBCU schools. Many of these universities take chances with high risk students. Students that other D1 programs will bypass due to risks...... Hope that John Thompson will address this issue as he did prop 42, & 48. What do you want him to say? I don't know that he'd have any problem with this. It was before my time, but I think JT2's issue was with not giving kids a chance to get in to college [on equal footing].
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 2, 2012 13:23:10 GMT -5
I as others think that the APR concept should be re-visited. It's unfair to penalize a program for athletes dropping out of school (NBA, academics but transfer to a compatible school, and personal reasons). I think that Thompson's influence will help address these concerns..... IMO, the only issue that should be addressed is athletes playing out their eligibility and not on target to graduate in 5 years.
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Post by kchoya on May 2, 2012 14:23:06 GMT -5
I as others think that the APR concept should be re-visited. It's unfair to penalize a program for athletes dropping out of school (NBA, academics but transfer to a compatible school, and personal reasons). I think that Thompson's influence will help address these concerns..... IMO, the only issue that should be addressed is athletes playing out their eligibility and not on target to graduate in 5 years. How abot we not penalize schools at all, for any reason.
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Post by bicentennial on May 2, 2012 16:22:10 GMT -5
Interesting thing with APR, Calipari has improved every schools' APR where he has gone, so he has succeeded in that. (System only gives scores to 2000 so don't have his UMASS numbers but APR at memphis climbed throughout his time there and has climbed at Kentucky as well. Interesting thing to me is clearly he has kept his players who were leaving for the NBA from dragging the program down, either that or he has convinced the Professors that grades aren't important!
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 2, 2012 18:52:50 GMT -5
I don't see any reason why Big John would speak out against the APR, but I can see how it may have hurt him while he was coaching. My understanding is that his policy was to give at-risk kids a chance, but to cut them loose if they didn't put the work in. Having players transfer or drop out with subpar academics is an APR killer.
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 4, 2012 7:41:08 GMT -5
What I meant was, I wonder how our APR would have been affected had it existed back then.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 26, 2012 10:01:55 GMT -5
From that article: QUOTE:In a conference call with reporters, Walter Harrison, the chairman of the Committee on Academic Performance and the president of the University of Hartford, said UConn's graduation success rate has much to do with the players that the school chose to bring into the program. He said that institutions that want to improve their GSR numbers should be more selective about whom they admit.Shift the blame from the institution to the kids. This is ridiculous.
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