Georgetown - UConn Game Discussion

[DanMcQ]

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[GUJook97]

Big game to stay in the top echelon of the BE. Need the good crowd.

[DanMcQ]

Jan 28, 2012 18:16:12 GMT -5 GUJook97 said:

Big game to stay in the top echelon of the BE. Need the good crowd.

Need the good team too. The one that plays defense.

[wahoohoya]

It's February. No more excuses.

[GUJook97]

i hear you. We are due for a good performance, and i am hoping this is the night.

[RDF]

Simply put--they need to hit their jumpers--because Sims won't have an advantage on either end of court--and with way Hoyas struggle to make open shots near the rim--they'll be facing a shot blocking team, you can't go up as soft as Hoyas too often attempt.. With Boatright back-their backcourt will have a speed/quickness advantage, and they really are an awful matchup for this Hoya team.

Hoyas shoot like they have the past 2 games--they'll lose by 25-30.

[wahoohoya]

I still think we have the personnel to be much better offensively. Just need to develop the mentality that you are going to take your points rather than allowing the other team to dictate. No reason we can't play stronger and more aggressively. UConn will be tough but I think/hope we bounce back strong.

I do like what I saw from Otto today - he missed a lot of shots but you can tell he is regaining his confidence with his jump shot. If he can start hitting that more consistently, a lot of things will start to open up.

[RDF]

Jan 28, 2012 18:27:28 GMT -5 wahoohoya said:

I still think we have the personnel to be much better offensively. Just need to develop the mentality that you are going to take your points rather than allowing the other team to dictate. No reason we can't play stronger and more aggressively. UConn will be tough but I think/hope we bounce back strong.

I do like what I saw from Otto today - he missed a lot of shots but you can tell he is regaining his confidence with his jump shot. If he can start hitting that more consistently, a lot of things will start to open up.

The FR play with a mentality that I like--and Jason Clark did too--they just played. It's not mistake free--but they play ball and get after it. Henry played as needed in 2nd Half--1st Half was worst of season. Soph class is killing Hoyas right now. Starks and Lubick are just not getting it done. They've shown flashes--but I am in full support of putting them on bench and seeing if that lights the fire to get them going. Cannot afford to keep falling behind/getting in a hole and fighting uphill. Aside from DePaul (only game with different starting 5) what game in Conference play have Hoyas come out and played well from get go offensively?

It's about motivating people and whatever they are doing with those 2 isnt' working--so take starting minutes from them and see if the FR inject some energy and help get team off to good start. If that doesn't work, aside from Clark/Sims, pick lineup out of a hat for other 3 spots because competition is going to get tougher and you fall behind 8-10 and struggled to get to 20 pts in a half--you'll be down 30 pts. This Pitt team sucks so badly--Hoyas were still in game at Half. Do that Wednesday or against Syracuse--and it's over at halftime.

[NCHoya]

Hollis needs to challenge their defense and stretch it out. UConn is a bad match-up but Henry should be able to make plays, if nothing else draw fouls on their big men. These are the games the Hoyas of the last 4-5 years would come to play and win big at home. This team needs to have that same approach.

[wahoohoya]

Jan 28, 2012 18:37:19 GMT -5 RDF said:

Jan 28, 2012 18:27:28 GMT -5 wahoohoya said:

I still think we have the personnel to be much better offensively. Just need to develop the mentality that you are going to take your points rather than allowing the other team to dictate. No reason we can't play stronger and more aggressively. UConn will be tough but I think/hope we bounce back strong.

I do like what I saw from Otto today - he missed a lot of shots but you can tell he is regaining his confidence with his jump shot. If he can start hitting that more consistently, a lot of things will start to open up.

The FR play with a mentality that I like--and Jason Clark did too--they just played. It's not mistake free--but they play ball and get after it. Henry played as needed in 2nd Half--1st Half was worst of season. Soph class is killing Hoyas right now. Starks and Lubick are just not getting it done. They've shown flashes--but I am in full support of putting them on bench and seeing if that lights the fire to get them going. Cannot afford to keep falling behind/getting in a hole and fighting uphill. Aside from DePaul (only game with different starting 5) what game in Conference play have Hoyas come out and played well from get go offensively?

It's about motivating people and whatever they are doing with those 2 isnt' working--so take starting minutes from them and see if the FR inject some energy and help get team off to good start. If that doesn't work, aside from Clark/Sims, pick lineup out of a hat for other 3 spots because competition is going to get tougher and you fall behind 8-10 and struggled to get to 20 pts in a half--you'll be down 30 pts. This Pitt team sucks so badly--Hoyas were still in game at Half. Do that Wednesday or against Syracuse--and it's over at halftime.

Seems like it is a confidence issue with those two but I agree that it's becoming tough to justify them continuing to start. At this point they probably feel they shouldn't be starting so maybe coming off the bench is exactly what they need.

[RDF]

It's not about giving up on them--it's about trying to find a way to "get them going". We're now into February part of season--they have been given more then ample time to prove themselves and it's not helping/working. If you want to ride it out and hope the light goes off, fine--but dont' be surprised with same results we're seeing offensively and when you face better teams--they will not "stay" with you pts wise. They will score--and score off Hoyas turnovers, or bad shots.

Great teams/championship teams have great talent--but they score in transition and those "cheap" points are what often seperate them from rest of the pack which seems hell bent on proving they run such great half court pattern they can out-execute you. How many big games are simply won by guys who make plays that cannot be coached? It's loose balls, transition plays--hell even a suck ass Pitt team had key play in game--where they took Clark's turnover on attempted crossover and scored--score goes from Hoyas down 3 or even 2 pts and instead they are down 7.

Gotta score and start increasing the tempo and pace. Turnovers hurt far less in a faster paced game and Hoyas are sloppy with the ball--so might as well increase tempo. (feel like I've said this since III's been coach).

[sleepy]

they say that your next game is the biggest game of the season. Well I believe that this game is The biggest game of this season could be make or break.

Disagree RDF This is not that bad a matchup for us. This is not a good defensive Uconn team by any measurement. We will play alot of zone and matchup hopefully we will talk in it becuase today it was obvious that we had no comminication in it. yes their quickness can hurt us on penetration but boatright and napier will not kill you with great drop offs inside.

Can't allow Lamb to get off early big key is we can't continue to have 7 min strtches where we score one basket.

[prhoya]

Play defense like we did today and you'll see more lay-ups and dunks than in today's game.

[RDF]

Jan 28, 2012 18:57:20 GMT -5 sleepy said:

they say that your next game is the biggest game of the season. Well I believe that this game is The biggest game of this season could be make or break.

Disagree RDF This is not that bad a matchup for us. This is not a good defensive Uconn team by any measurement. We will play alot of zone and matchup hopefully we will talk in it becuase today it was obvious that we had no comminication in it. yes their quickness can hurt us on penetration but boatright and napier will not kill you with great drop offs inside.

Can't allow Lamb to get off early big key is we can't continue to have 7 min strtches where we score one basket.

They have guys who can offensive rebound-which is a weakness of the zone-you give up offensive rebounds--they also can match Hoyas size--Lamb, Smith, Oriaki, Drummond, Daniels, Giffey, Olander, they are a bigger/stronger frontline then Hoyas. They have speed too--and speed kills Hoyas backcourt--and most backcourts in all honesty.

If Hoyas keep playing offense at pace/efficiency they are--they'll get destroyed. This Hoya team isn't one that can press UConn either--those guards will shred it and it'll be more of a dunkfest then this game was today.

Again--for the 100th time--when I'm talking tempo/pace, I'm referring to how the Hoyas played in beginning stage of 2nd Half--that was great basketball and low and behold it worked. Pushed ball into frontcourt--got into offense early and were taking good shots. That's all i want to see as a fan--take a great/good shot and if it's missed--I'll live with it. I'm relegated to fact that a III team will never get points off their defense--as good as it's been--they just don't get enough points off turnovers and that kills them. Uconn will. Its one of their strengths.

I like this year's Hoya team a lot-but I also dont' believe it's a top 10 team--not with body of work. Happy they've overachieved a bit, but that doesn't mean they can afford to go into a level of mediocrity and settle for "this is our identity" as a low scoring/tough defensive team. They need to keep improving and Wednesday has to begin push. Just want to be able to watch a Hoya team head into March peaking instead of waiting for them to be a consistent group.

[wahoohoya]

Jan 28, 2012 18:50:13 GMT -5 RDF said:

It's not about giving up on them--it's about trying to find a way to "get them going". We're now into February part of season--they have been given more then ample time to prove themselves and it's not helping/working. If you want to ride it out and hope the light goes off, fine--but dont' be surprised with same results we're seeing offensively and when you face better teams--they will not "stay" with you pts wise. They will score--and score off Hoyas turnovers, or bad shots.

Great teams/championship teams have great talent--but they score in transition and those "cheap" points are what often seperate them from rest of the pack which seems hell bent on proving they run such great half court pattern they can out-execute you. How many big games are simply won by guys who make plays that cannot be coached? It's loose balls, transition plays--hell even a suck ass Pitt team had key play in game--where they took Clark's turnover on attempted crossover and scored--score goes from Hoyas down 3 or even 2 pts and instead they are down 7.

Gotta score and start increasing the tempo and pace. Turnovers hurt far less in a faster paced game and Hoyas are sloppy with the ball--so might as well increase tempo. (feel like I've said this since III's been coach).

Can't disagree with any of this. Our offense works best when played with urgency and aggression and scoring in transition and off offensive rebounding will only open up the offense more. Easier said than done but it all starts with attitude. Seemed like in the opening minute of the Pitt game our guys didn't believe they were any better than Pitt - need to trust your strengths and talent and make things happen.

[NCHoya]

It all starts with Henry. When he is assertive this offense flows, when he his hesitant and misses in the paint, we get bogged down. I would say it all starts with Hollis, but I do not see him having the ability to take the ball and make plays like I have seen out of Sims. (I never thought I would have written that sentence last season.)

Henry is our catalyst, if teams need to be concerned with him on the block those looks from outside get more open and the spacing allows the cuts to the basket. This offense right now is not Big East caliber in my opinion. We can talk defense all we want, but the Hoyas need to be scoring 70 a game. A 52-50 game allows for far too little margin of error for a team that liberally plays 3 freshman.

[skyhoya]

If we come out hot, hitting our threes, we will do OK. If we get another slow start, we could dig another whole that we can't recover from.

Playing UCONN is one of the reasons these kids come to Georgetown, they need to get up for this one and play with passion. I hope the staff is watching tape right now, because we need to figure out something for this one. We need to script the opening offensive plays for both halves. III needs to have a plan B and plan C for this

[GUJook97]

This is a huge game for a lot of reasons. I thought the UConn Kembas beating us last year when we had won 8 in a row was huge for them, and it was a winnable game that we gave away. (Unfortunately, not unlike Pitt, who I can see winning 8 of their last 10 games.) Like others said, I think this comes at a time that can make or break our season. We need a win, but a win in front of our home crowd over a ranked team can help our confidence.

[sleepy]

[Again--for the 100th time--when I'm talking tempo/pace, I'm referring to how the Hoyas played in beginning stage of 2nd Half--that was great basketball and low and behold it worked. Pushed ball into frontcourt--got into offense early and were taking good shots. That's all i want to see as a fan--take a great/good shot and if it's missed--I'll live with it. I'm relegated to fact that a III team will never get points off their defense--as good as it's been--they just don't get enough points off turnovers and that kills them. Uconn will. Its one of their strengths.

Yes Yes Yes... tough for them to do when they clearly spend very little time working on,like getting an outlet and go. Markel is is clearly the only player on the court with a clue of how to push the pace and we saw it very clearly in the first 6 mins. of the second half.
I'm sick of getting a rebound by Henry or Otto and Holding it out while Clark comes around for a hand-off.

Sad thing is that early on this season it looked like we were at least making an attempt to push tempo this ended almost entirely with the start of the BE season.

[lichoya68]

Boatright back... huge game ..must win... we must play hard for FORTY MINUTES ...not get into deep holes ... hit some shots ..rebound.. and play good d ... this will be a war ... our season is on the line folks!!! on the line!!! IT IS FEBRUARY NOW FOR REAL... and we ain't playing good for like four or five games ???MUST WRIGHT THE SHIP ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D go hoyas ...be tough... play hard for forty minutes or MORE.... team... team d ... talk ... work hard ... tempus fugit.. Go hoyas your time is now !