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Post by RDF on Feb 11, 2012 0:34:56 GMT -5
The DMV is at an all time low if those are considered "great" teams. God Awful Basketball.
James Robinson acting like a punk in addition to being a mediocre player? When did this happen?
Britt is same guy-and know he's coming off injury--but he's just not that good. Saw him all Summer and he's just another guard--and will be surprised if he plays ahead of Marcus Paige.
Jenkins--Goodness the dude who has been slurping him has to be a family member, blind, or both? Jenkins is a non factor for a big time program right now. Drop about 30-40 lbs and he's worth seeing if he's any good, otherwise let him go.
Another horrible game involving DMV teams and just amazed at the low basketball IQ and poor coaching. Britt's lefthanded--just like Shabazz Muhammed who dropped 38 on DeMatha and nobody ever makes him go right? Never. It must be a WCAC thing to be a crappy defender too-because nobody on perimeter plays a lick of defense. Hell most of the players don't even get in a stance. Just awful.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 11, 2012 0:53:41 GMT -5
Jenkins looked turrible. Beejay looked good.
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Post by RDF on Feb 11, 2012 1:30:08 GMT -5
Find it hard to say anyone looked good tonight--that was a loss for fans of the sport who spent time watching. Awful. Just Awful.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 11, 2012 10:21:08 GMT -5
I thought Jerami Grant looked like he will be a good college player.
But completely underwhelmed by everyone else, especially Nate Britt.
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Post by hsb on Feb 11, 2012 18:59:40 GMT -5
RDF, still bad mouthing the DMV. I guess in your fantasy league, you know better than all of the D1 coaches who have already offered to most of the kids on that court last night.
Having said that, Grant, Lyles and Bj looked very good. Needless to say, no one on Gonzaga looked good, especially in the 2nd half.
However, in two years, when you are still playing videos in your Momma's basement, Britt will be wearing Carolina blue. Maybe you can get UNC to fire Williams and hire you.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 11, 2012 19:06:12 GMT -5
RDF, still bad mouthing the DMV. I guess in your fantasy league, you know better than all of the D1 coaches who have already offered to most of the kids on that court last night. Having said that, Grant, Lyles and Bj looked very good. Needless to say, no one on Gonzaga looked good, especially in the 2nd half. However, in two years, when you are still playing videos in your Momma's basement, Britt will be wearing Carolina blue. Maybe you can get UNC to fire Williams and hire you. Okay Gonzaga guy. Coming back with your tail between your legs, eh? Where's the PR push for Jenkins?
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Post by daymondmyles on Feb 11, 2012 22:34:40 GMT -5
I actually really like britt and think he will be better than Kendall marshall but RDF is right in that DMV basketball is almost embarrassing lately. Tons of other areas have better talent right now including Chicago, Detroit, Philly city wise and Indiana, jersey/ny and even Mississippi state wise. I'm glad that JT3 either had great foresight or luck to hire Kirby because that region of the country is popping right now.
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Post by RDF on Feb 12, 2012 2:05:21 GMT -5
hsb--your commentary is about as bad-not quite, but close to the level of play in DMV right now.
Now it's "hating" to use my eyes? Don't putdown any kid and compliment them for getting scholarships--just saying-it's bad if you want talent right now--not very good players. I didn't suck up the court on national television and I didn't make these teams bad. Just stating what their level of play has shown.
Now to use a 1980's reference so I can translate it to you--this DMV era is like Cop Rock.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 12, 2012 20:45:05 GMT -5
hsb--your commentary is about as bad-not quite, but close to the level of play in DMV right now. Now it's "hating" to use my eyes? Don't putdown any kid and compliment them for getting scholarships--just saying-it's bad if you want talent right now--not very good players. I didn't suck up the court on national television and I didn't make these teams bad. Just stating what their level of play has shown. Now to use a 1980's reference so I can translate it to you--this DMV era is like Cop Rock. I always preferred Sledge Hammer myself!
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Post by hsb on Feb 13, 2012 8:06:33 GMT -5
Dont know what Cop Rock and Sledge hammer are. . .sounds like more video games. . .but I do know that there were alot of D1 coaches at last night's Gonzaga/Paul VI game.
JTIII - who was there- apparently doesn't share your view of the DMV which is why 5 of his current players and his 1st NBA all star (Roy) are from here. . .but enough of that. . .I know I'm not going to convince some Syracuse fans that the DMV is as strong as ever (even though their best player - Joseph - played hs ball here at carroll).
Of course Chicago, Philly, NYC/Jersey, etc. . .are strong as always but ESPN declared the WCAC - not any of the leagues in those places - the strongest.
Maybe you can both get jobs as color commentators with a local Mississippi cable channel. I dont think any of the many D1 programs in the house last night would value your judge of talent.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2012 10:31:25 GMT -5
Of course Chicago, Philly, NYC/Jersey, etc. . .are strong as always but ESPN declared the WCAC - not any of the leagues in those places - the strongest. For what it's worth, during yesterday's game Fran Fraschilla was talking about how high school basketball in NYC isn't what it used to be.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2012 10:55:52 GMT -5
JTIII - who was there- apparently doesn't share your view of the DMV which is why 5 of his current players and his 1st NBA all star (Roy) are from here. . .but enough of that. . .I know I'm not going to convince some Syracuse fans that the DMV is as strong as ever (even though their best player - Joseph - played hs ball here at carroll). Roy graduated from high school in 2004, so I don't think he's really relevant to the discussion of the 2012/13 classes from the area. It's been almost ten years. As for the current Hoya team, we have very nice representation with Clark, Henry, Markel, Whit and Hopkins. Of course, two of those are 2008. And none of them are relevant to the 2012/13 class. I have no idea if the current high school class is down or not -- but no one is blasting the 2004 class or the 2008 class. The players I have seen on tv, I'm not overly impressed with. I think Anya, for example, struggles for quite a bit as he's not overly athletic or tall and he doesn't seem to have developed the post moves he'll need to be that big burly four that can be great in college ball. I've seen Robinson as well, obviously, and have never been impressed. And I'm pretty sure Nate Britt is going to have a Bobby Frasor/Larry Drew - like career at Carolina. But we'll see. I'm no expert.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 13, 2012 10:57:50 GMT -5
Dont know what Cop Rock and Sledge hammer are. . .sounds like more video games. . .but I do know that there were alot of D1 coaches at last night's Gonzaga/Paul VI game. JTIII - who was there- apparently doesn't share your view of the DMV which is why 5 of his current players and his 1st NBA all star (Roy) are from here. . .but enough of that. . .I know I'm not going to convince some Syracuse fans that the DMV is as strong as ever (even though their best player - Joseph - played hs ball here at carroll). Of course Chicago, Philly, NYC/Jersey, etc. . .are strong as always but ESPN declared the WCAC - not any of the leagues in those places - the strongest. Maybe you can both get jobs as color commentators with a local Mississippi cable channel. I dont think any of the many D1 programs in the house last night would value your judge of talent. dude, you got serious reading comp issues. Again, RDF is saying DMV talent level is weak RIGHT NOW. You keep citing to dudes 3-5 years in the past as a defense to his statements about the quality of play THIS YEAR. Kevin Durant was nasty. He played in the DMV. Boom! goes the dynamite.
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Post by tonyparker on Feb 13, 2012 11:06:23 GMT -5
I've got to come to hsb's defense here. Were there surefire NBA prospects on the court in that game? I don't think so.
That said, you've got MULTIPLE kids in that game being recruited by Cuse, Pitt, Georgetown, UNC, Duke, Maryland etc. on the court (Robinson, Grant, Anya, Jenkins, Britt, Lyles - not to mention underclassmen who have not been showcased yet). You've also got kids in the area at Episcopal, Landon, Sidwell Friends, Paul IV etc. going high D-1. The area may not have the sure-fire pro's - but in my opinion still has the deepest pool of high-level D-1 talent in the country.
A lot of areas in the country have a team or two with a star who is going high major. DMV has like five teams with multiple high major guys. And I am talking about right now. If we count Baltimore and the VA Beach area the pool gets even deeper.
There is nowhere in the country with this kind of talent. Nowhere.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 13, 2012 11:19:56 GMT -5
RDF, still bad mouthing the DMV. I guess in your fantasy league, you know better than all of the D1 coaches who have already offered to most of the kids on that court last night. Having said that, Grant, Lyles and Bj looked very good. Needless to say, no one on Gonzaga looked good, especially in the 2nd half. However, in two years, when you are still playing videos in your Momma's basement, Britt will be wearing Carolina blue. Maybe you can get UNC to fire Williams and hire you. Wow, you are really letting your butthurt about Jenkins being a mid-major player get off track here.
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Post by dense on Feb 13, 2012 11:46:33 GMT -5
Also citing jt3 at a gonzaga game means he is recruiting them isn't necessarily true. He graduated from gonzaga, he celebrated with them when they won the wcac 3 years ago
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Post by RDF on Feb 13, 2012 12:15:46 GMT -5
I've got to come to hsb's defense here. Were there surefire NBA prospects on the court in that game? I don't think so. That said, you've got MULTIPLE kids in that game being recruited by Cuse, Pitt, Georgetown, UNC, Duke, Maryland etc. on the court (Robinson, Grant, Anya, Jenkins, Britt, Lyles - not to mention underclassmen who have not been showcased yet). You've also got kids in the area at Episcopal, Landon, Sidwell Friends, Paul IV etc. going high D-1. The area may not have the sure-fire pro's - but in my opinion still has the deepest pool of high-level D-1 talent in the country. A lot of areas in the country have a team or two with a star who is going high major. DMV has like five teams with multiple high major guys. And I am talking about right now. If we count Baltimore and the VA Beach area the pool gets even deeper. There is nowhere in the country with this kind of talent. Nowhere. The City of Houston has more talent then entire DMV. There was 1 player on the court (Britt) that would start for the 15 year old team of Houston Select. HSB--others said it for me--I'm talking about the CURRENT as in '12 and '13 classes of DMV prospects are down. Notice III hasn't really pursued anyone on these classes very aggressively? There is a reason for this. Guy he wanted the most--wasn't interested and I know that for a fact since I spoke with Britt this summer in Milwaukee and came here and mentioned he isn't coming-nor is he interested. He's a solid player. Jerami Grant picked the perfect program for him-he'll be a nice fit at Cuse and develop into a good role player and that program gives him best chance to develop too. As for III being at a local game--that's his job. You always show up to games for local programs but that doesn't mean you want anyone either. If you ignore the locals, and then someone comes along you want--it's not going to happen. He has to show up. That goes for most programs too. Its called recruiting and doing your job. I'm not saying don't go to the games--and not saying the DMV isn't a great place for talent but the local kids in the current class/next year aren't that good. Does this make sense? Kris Jenkins is more of a GW player right now--and can he change that? Maybe-but he's 40 lbs away from being a guy Georgetown should seriously consider. He's got no position right now at his weight/size. BJ Anya isn't a fit-he's not skilled enough to be a frontcourt player in the current system Georgetown utilizes. If Pops was coaching--Anya would be a good fit, III likes his bigs to be able to face/pass/shoot and Anya can only dunk when nobody is around him or facing little teams. He played a 6'6 HS football recruit and was intimidated/dominated. That's a red flag imo. He's worked hard/lost weight--good for him and wish him well but he's got to improve a lot of things to be a guy Georgetown should consider recruiting-bad fit for him/them. Don't be such damn homers. Loyalty is to the program and what helps them win--not to an area/region. Recruiting is about getting the best playes who fit--and it should be that way for the players too. If you pick a school beceause it's your favorite team and your game doesn't fit-you are going to never play/be unhappy. If you take players because they are local and don't fit how you play--you will lose games. Nobody is saying III shouldn't go to the games or coaches shouldn't or these guys are not college players. Just saying-the quality of DMV basketball in the '11, '12, and '13 seasons is down. If you disagree--please tell me why?
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Post by tonyparker on Feb 13, 2012 12:39:40 GMT -5
City of Houston has nice talent but I would disagree. We'll see in a couple of years. I have no doubt that the kids that you think are so terrible will be big-time college basketball players in the coming years. We'll see.
Also, it's impossible to have a normal basketball conversation win you drop lines like "There was 1 player on the court (Britt) that would start for the 15 year old team of Houston Select." So Beejay Anya and Jerami Grant wouldn't start for a 15 year old AAU team? There is no need to be a prick. For some reason, you feel the need to be a jerk and it is really poisonous for the board unfortunately.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 13, 2012 13:42:46 GMT -5
Also, to be fair, Derrickson for PVI is going to be really, really good.
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Post by RDF on Feb 13, 2012 14:31:40 GMT -5
City of Houston has nice talent but I would disagree. We'll see in a couple of years. I have no doubt that the kids that you think are so terrible will be big-time college basketball players in the coming years. We'll see. Also, it's impossible to have a normal basketball conversation win you drop lines like "There was 1 player on the court (Britt) that would start for the 15 year old team of Houston Select." So Beejay Anya and Jerami Grant wouldn't start for a 15 year old AAU team? There is no need to be a prick. For some reason, you feel the need to be a jerk and it is really poisonous for the board unfortunately. That's the truth---have you seen the team play? They have 4 guys who are top 40 prospects in class of '14 (3 are top 20)-which is considered one of the next great classes in recruiting. The only area they lacked was PG--Britt would start. If you don't see people play and want to debate, it's a lost cause. How can you disagree if you have never seen the players? Let me ask you this--if you were recruiting, would you take Danuel House or Jerami Grant? Rasheed Suliamon or James Robinson. Andrew Harrison or Nate Britt? Aaron Harrison or Kris Jenkins? I can keep going if you like and even matched them with contemporary classes so I wouldn't need to get into the Soph class that is superior to anything DMV offers right now. If I did that--I'll point out Justice Winslow, Khadeem Lattin, Melvin Swift, and Aldopheus Washington are all better players then anyone I've seen in DMV SR/JR classes at DeMatha/Gonzaga or TakeOver and definately Assault. Also could've put LJ Rose, Shaq Cleare, Christian Sanders, in SR debate but not enough DMV talent in SR class to debate. Baylor, Maryland, and Stanford signees. Derrick Griffin is a dual sport guy who is better then Grant right now and he's a JR committed to A&M (football WR and SF--lean towards FB). It's just a loaded city and they don't need to take in 2 states and one "area" to compete in debate. I do like Jamel Artis game and heard great things about Dwayne Morgan too-both from Baltimore.If Hoyas signed Artis--he fits and would like that a lot. Haven't seen Morgan yet--but he's really making an impression and look forward to it this Spring/Summer. Always liked Hoyas recruiting Baltimore and best teams have always included players from there--hell I like Sam Cassell JR more then James Robinson so I don't hate on DMV-but I do think it's down recently. One person's "poison" is another's enjoyment of information. Just because you don't care for the tone of the message doesn't make it wrong. And if it bothers you that much--hit ignore button of those you don't care for--doesn't seem that complex.
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