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Post by hsb on Jan 18, 2012 13:59:33 GMT -5
Has anyone been watching this kid? He's been killing it the last few weeks against some stiff competition and he is right under our nose at Gonzaga.
We should get em if we can.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 18, 2012 14:17:37 GMT -5
Doesn't have a position. Too small to be a 4, too slow to guard 3s.
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Post by hsb on Jan 19, 2012 8:59:22 GMT -5
We need players/shooters. Jenkins is a big time player/shooter with a great motor who is tough as nails, can rebound and shoot the lights out. In fact. very few in the country are playing at a higher level right now. Reminds me of a cross b/w Dennis Scott (another local who was also considered too slow even after leading his G Tech team to the Final 4 and being one of the leading three point shooters in the history of the NBA) and Charles Barkley (too short to be only the 4th player in NBA history to retire with 20 K pts, 10 K rbds, and 4k assists - top 50 NBA all time) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_BarkleyHe's a get if possible.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 19, 2012 10:16:54 GMT -5
Not listing Hoyas from what I've seen. Jumper has improved. Similar to Pollard in size and skill set. Pollard is further from 4 spot than Jenkins though.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 19, 2012 10:22:16 GMT -5
We need players/shooters. Jenkins is a big time player/shooter with a great motor who is tough as nails, can rebound and shoot the lights out. In fact. very few in the country are playing at a higher level right now. Reminds me of a cross b/w Dennis Scott (another local who was also considered too slow even after leading his G Tech team to the Final 4 and being one of the leading three point shooters in the history of the NBA) and Charles Barkley (too short to be only the 4th player in NBA history to retire with 20 K pts, 10 K rbds, and 4k assists - top 50 NBA all time) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_BarkleyHe's a get if possible. You must be a Gonzaga guy. Sorry but he's a no go. Undersized guys who shoot it well for their position are a dime a dozen. Not quick enough to play the 3 in the Big East.
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Post by hoyasexy on Jan 19, 2012 10:32:02 GMT -5
Saw him play last night. Was a man among boys. Didn't see great athleticism, but he is tremendously skilled for a guy with his bulk.
He is starting to get high-major interest, with his game blowing up this year.
I get the concern about his position, but that problem works both ways. Although he might have some trouble guarding an athletic 3, he could simply overpower most 3s in the league. He can really stroke it, so laying off him won't be effective. I think he could do some spot duty at the 4 as well, but I would agree that he is too short for that to be his primary position.
The problem I have is his fit for our team. Our system is predicated on a lot of ball movement. Although Gonzaga runs a motion offense as well, with a lot of ball movement (they are a really well-coached team), that movement often ends when Jenkins gets the ball. Although he is skilled enough to get a lot of open looks at the basket, he did seem to force some shots when another pass might have been the better play.
All that said, I've seen him exactly once, so take it for what it's worth. Gonzaga plays DeMatha this weekend and again in a few weeks in a game that will be televised on one of the ESPN channels (probably ESPNU), so can learn more.
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Post by RDF on Jan 19, 2012 11:10:47 GMT -5
Not listing Hoyas from what I've seen. Jumper has improved. Similar to Pollard in size and skill set. Pollard is further from 4 spot than Jenkins though. ID, these two aren't even close to being similar. Kris Jenkins is closer to the out of shape Austin Freeman at GTown and Devonta Pollard is a sleek, big time athlete. Pollard is a legit 6'8 and Jenkins is 6'4. Pollard can run and is known as one of the best athletes in country and Jenkins is known for being crafty and a good shooter. Pollard's jumper needs work. I don't want any part of Jenkins or most of the DMV guys I've seen with TakeOver, Assault or any of the local HS teams lately. It's been a down cycle for talent in this area and I know some guys are going to big time programs--but from what I've seen, Georgetown did right to not get them or got lucky they didn't want to come. It'll pay off in the future. Way too much hype for some of these local guys--DeMatha was about as bad talent wise as I've seen--Anya was terrible, Robinson was average against D3 caliber guards of Gorman, Grant is ok-but role player who needs development, Lyles is average/mid major, and nobody else stood out-Bell is a decent shooter but that's it. Jenkins is a guy who reminds me of type of players who used to go to Boston College under Al Skinner and do well and have local fans say "why didn't you get him" and then flop when it mattered. Britt is alright--but I'm not shedding any tears over losing him after seeing him play this past Summer--good player but nothing program changing about him.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 19, 2012 14:40:57 GMT -5
RDF,
I was thinkin Pollard was 6'6 and so was Jenkins. Both more slasher than shooter; although Jenkins has improved at that. Jenkins called undersized 4. Pollard was a 4 then improved and moved closer to the 3. That's all.
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Post by hsb on Jan 19, 2012 22:07:31 GMT -5
I know of one big difference. Pollard is a 2012 and Jenkins is a 2013. One more year in the oven.
Also, ESPN has Pollard ranked 97. They rank Jenkins 30.
Having said that, I have never seen Pollard play so I cant comment further. I have seen Jenkins play a couple times over the last few years. He is the real deal, inside and outside, although I agree . . . too short for classic 4, and too slow for classic 3 - like Sir Charles.
He is still a get - like Sir Charles.
Dont know why you are busting on the DMV. It seems pretty clear the area talent remains among the best in the country. There is a pretty long list of DMV area kids playing at a high level around the country right now, including a couple kids named Clark, Sims, Starks, etc. . .
In fact, until the last week, the DMV had three teams in the top 10 nationally (before Dematha lost to Gorman). Four if you count Oak Hill in the DMV. Pretty impressive.
At the end of the day, I'm a Georgetown guy. Jenkins will help Georgetown win so I want him.
He has the wow factor that Clark, Freeman, and Wright had in high school. Those three local kids turned out pretty well for my Hoyas.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 19, 2012 23:05:12 GMT -5
Charles Barkley? Really? That's the biggest "exception to the rule" application I've ever seen. Not to mention they couldn't be less similar. Charles Barkley was one of the greatest rebounders ever. Jenkins isn't a great rebounder, and isn't even as athletic as our last out of shape WCAC guy.
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 19, 2012 23:21:14 GMT -5
I would say it's natural for recruiting areas to go in cycles. And right now, the DMV is down, way down. Obviously there was a upswing of talent between KD, Beasley, Lawson, Nolan Smith, Jeff, Roy, Austin (and if you want to throw B'More in..Gay, DaJuan, etc) and now things have trended back down. Majority of Those kids were elite level prospects, I don't see that anymore.
thankfully Greg emerged last year and the staff landed Mikael. But overall - past year or two and the younger kids coming up? to me, it's not impressive. Hopefully in another 2-3 years it changes.
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Post by gahoya on Jan 19, 2012 23:24:03 GMT -5
I think hsb IS kris jenkins. If not him, then his brother. Trying to get a plug on a website. Isn't it a little bit of a stretch to compare a high school junior who apparently isn't even that good to Dennis Scott and Charles Barkley?
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Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2012 0:28:56 GMT -5
That Dennis Scott info is a bunch of garbage. You obviously didn't follow Dennis Scott if you thought he wasn't highly regarded in HS--and Georgetown did recruit him--hell Ronny Thompson went to same HS--as did Sam Jefferson (Flint Hill) and Scott was National HS POY his SR year. The weight issues started in college-and they were right--when he got fat-he sucked and was a one dimensional player. He also got in great shape and helped lead one of the more fun teams to watch--Georgia Tech's Final 4 team in '90 (Kenny Anderson and Brian Oliver of Lethal Weapon 3).
Kris Jenkins and Charles Barkley have 1 thing in common-their skin color. Aside from that, they share nothing in common.
If you read the post above--I have no issues with recruiting DMV--but the DMV has sucked lately. Just a bunch of overrated players and last year's HS class and especially this year's are not very strong. DeMatha is about as bad for talent as I've seen and if they are dominant team in area--that doesn't speak well. Gorman had 1 stud (Muhammed) 1 decent player (Allen) and that's it. They had D3 caliber guards who gave DeMatha problems.
Calling Oak Hill a "DMV" team is a joke. That's an All Star Team from all over the country. They have more guys from Georgia, Indiana, and North Carolina then they do the DMV.
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Post by section110 on Jan 20, 2012 0:53:01 GMT -5
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Post by kghoya on Jan 20, 2012 1:45:36 GMT -5
Hoyas aren't on Jenkins at all. I can see him at Rutgers or Penn State.
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Post by deacon on Jan 20, 2012 2:01:49 GMT -5
Jenkins has definitely elevated his game this season but some of the comparisons in this thread are ridiculous. Dennis Scott was born draining 23-foot jumpers, and to put him and Jenkins in the same paragraph is insane. The whole Charles Barkley thing is other-worldly.
The lack of true star power in the area over the last few years is obvious, and aside from Vic Oladipo and Marcus Thornton, who I thought could have been good role players at GU but we didn't really recruit anyway, there haven't been any huge misses locally in a minute.
I really like Roddy Peters at Suitland, especially if he re-classifies to 2014, although he's apparently going to be playing for Assault this summer. He could be a major player.
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Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2012 2:14:30 GMT -5
If you are graded 97 out of 100 on a scout grade--that is good. That's why he's a top 20 player on their ranking. Lower you receive grade, lower they think of you-not that a ranking should be end-all, be-all of how a prospect is evaluated. Just trying to help explain the numbers to people--it's not like they think Pollard is 97th best player in country.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 20, 2012 2:22:58 GMT -5
I love Thornton although I didn't see him play in HS. I'm actually writing up something about him right now. Have some audio from him when he was in town playing at George Mason.
He didn't have any big schools on him.
Also would have liked to have seen Georgetown take a risk on a player from Maryland, Jonathan Arledge who is at Mason, than a Benimon type.
Arledge has that "I'm really long" thing going on that the Hoyas seem to all of a sudden value.
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Post by hsb on Jan 20, 2012 10:09:40 GMT -5
I agree comparing Jenkins to Scott and Barkley is a stretch at this point, but it is more descriptive of the type of game Jenkins has than a prediction that he will be one of the top 50 NBA players of all time (just like comparing Aquille Carr to Mugsy or Spud).
I watched him go inside and out at will against the team from Chicago and mostly outside at will against Patterson - the No 1 team in Bmore (which he won at the buzzer with a three). His passing and movement w/o the ball to give himself opportunities is excellent as is his rebounding. His defense is suprisingly good given his size and the fact that he is not the fleetest of foot.
Although his speed and height are admittedly less than classic, the point is that a non classic combo Barkley/Scott inside/out type game can work well, even if Jenkins will never be Scottie Pippen, the classic 3 or Kevin Garnett, the classic 4.
Also, 3 teams in the top 10 HS nationally this year (even without Oak Hill) and the DMV cant get any respect from RDF?? In addition to 3 of the starting Hoyas, incl our best player by far, recent DMV includes Oladipo at Indiana, Marshall at UNC, Robinson at Kansas, Roscoe Smith at U Conn, McGruder at K State, Thorton and Hairston at Duke, Atkins and Grant at ND, half of the U Md squad, CJ Fair and Joseph at Syacuse - OK Joseph only played 2 years in the WCAC -but I am guessing that is 2 more than RDF played. That's a pretty impressive group.
Fact is the DMV is still one of the best in the country. Jenkins is one of the best in the DMV. He's a get if possible (so is BJ Anya - another 2013 DMV boy that will make waves at Georgetown or elsewhere).
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Post by idhoya on Jan 20, 2012 10:18:17 GMT -5
I'd prefer a more explosive 5 than Anya or Meeks. Noel should be target #1.
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