kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Jan 12, 2012 13:09:09 GMT -5
The offense shot 59% from the field and 60% from 3 yesterday. Its ability to create good shots for our players is unquestionably successful. It's been that way for years. The wrinkles have to come in the form of eliminating lazy entry passes into the post, having our guys move towards the pass instead of letting it come to them and giving the defender a chance to overplay the passing lanes and force a turnover, and being strong with the ball instead of continuously letting defenders poke the ball away. All those things have nothing to do with how we run our offensive sets and everything to do with executing fundamental basketball. Yep. This is exactly right. We shot 56% against Cincy. The problem was not scoring points. It was turning the ball over, which rockaway identifies. When the team values the ball, they have better success -- whether it's on RDF's inbounds passes, or throwing the ball in to the post, or those damn lazy passes across court that get always picked off. If the players cut out this Mickey Mouse laziness, they'll be much better off.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 12, 2012 13:18:59 GMT -5
This is exactly right. We shot 56% against Cincy. The problem was not scoring points. It was turning the ball over, which rockaway identifies. When the team values the ball, they have better success -- whether it's on RDF's inbounds passes, or throwing the ball in to the post, or those damn lazy passes across court that get always picked off. If the players cut out this Mickey Mouse laziness, they'll be much better off. I agree that stupid TOs are our problem but since when has Mickey Mouse been lazy?
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 12, 2012 13:49:24 GMT -5
I agree that the offense, in general, has not been the problem. Still, wrinkles for the Georgetown O? I would like to see more plays drawn up out of our offensive set to put Hollis in a position to shoot. I didn't see him passing up open shots against Cincy, but I wasn't looking for it. That may be the wrinkle this offense needs.
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Post by bigelephant on Jan 12, 2012 14:29:37 GMT -5
Sreening for Nate for short to mid range jumpers would open things up - He's GOT to make some of those, don't you think?
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jan 12, 2012 14:36:12 GMT -5
The problem with the offense is that most Big East coaches have seen it many times and have a notion of how to defend it. Whether they have the players to pull that off is another matter and one which likely dictates teh outcome. When the opponent drops into a zone to take away the backdoor plays, we need to have good ball movement and at least one player on the floor who is hitting the outside shot. When neither happens--well we've seen that for a couple of years now as they dribble around the perimeter and eventually force a bad shot with the clock running out.
I would really like to see this team run as much as possible off of defensive rebounds. We have done it at times this year and last. However, unlike last year, we have the necessary speed at every position on the floor. Cannot remember another time in recent years when that could be said.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 12, 2012 14:36:41 GMT -5
I like the early play in the last two games in which he goes one-on-one, backs his defender and banks it. It's effective, but we haven't looked for it later in the games.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 12, 2012 14:41:31 GMT -5
This team has the potential to be as close to the level of play of the Final Four team as any since that team. That Final Four team with Hibbert, Summers, PE,JR, and Green were all bigs who could shoot the outside shot and if left one-on-one could and would drive to the basket to score a hoop. This team has Sims, Lubick, Porter, Thompson, and Whittington; all can dribble drive to the basket for a hoop and hit jump shots. Wat has been frustrating for me is tha this third head of the Prnceton Offense's three headed monster(threat to shoot open jumper, threat to pass back door, or thrat to drive to the basket) has been reduced by Hoya players only to the threat to shoot and the threat to shoot. That makes this offense a lot easier to cover, especially against teams with a short bench. if Hoya bigs do not drive all the way to the basket then there is a far less chance of one of their starting 5 getting into foul trouble. What is equally frustrating is the Hoya players propensity to seek to avoid contact when they are near the basket, I.e, fading jump shot(Henry and Nate), or the whirly-derby shots(Thompson, Porter and Whittington) I know it is easy for me to say seek the contact from a 6"9-11" , 240-50 lbs big man by these not so thick Hoya big men, but you know what? That is what separates the pretenders from the contenders. Take away Michael Jordon"s determination to seek body contact, absorb it and score and he would have been an average player. Maybe III is not stressing this third component mor now, because his troops are not as hefty as some other teams, but until these current Hoyas use this third component with the same zeal and tenacity as that Final Four team they won' reach their full potential.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 12, 2012 14:49:30 GMT -5
Sorry I meant to say the three headed threat is (1) shoot open jump shot, (2) pass to open back door cutter and (3) drive to open basket.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 12, 2012 18:24:50 GMT -5
It isn't the scheme. The offense has been great considering Nate, Otto, and Greg are reluctant to shoot so defenses can play off them, and Jason, Hollis, and Markel, who can shoot, are not the best passers when they are well defended or doubled or trapped.
I would like to see JTIII play for the BET and NCAA tournaments by encouraging Otto and Greg to shoot more and play aggressively even if they make some mistakes and miss shots. When we get to the postseason, they have to be able to make shots when left open, so that opponents can't leave them open.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 15, 2012 23:02:09 GMT -5
I think you see the backdoor cuts being taken away by the defenses. I think its imperative that Otto and Whitt work on their mid-range games cause it will be there. Clark and Hollis are already there; adding these other two will open up things. I don't think Whitt is being encouraged to shoot; rather to focus on defending and rebounding. All of these cats need to stay in the weight room in the offseason.
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