kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Jan 10, 2012 16:03:05 GMT -5
I think JT3 leads the country in momentum killing timeouts when his team has the ball and the lead.
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Post by Boz on Jan 10, 2012 16:12:05 GMT -5
I think JT3 leads the country in momentum killing timeouts when his team has the ball and the lead. Buzz Williams resents that!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 10, 2012 16:42:33 GMT -5
I think JT3 leads the country in momentum killing timeouts when his team has the ball and the lead. Not really. Ask Marquette fans about Buzz Williams calling that time out up 17 on Georgetown.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 10, 2012 17:26:30 GMT -5
I think JT3 leads the country in momentum killing timeouts when his team has the ball and the lead. Not really. Ask Marquette fans about Buzz Williams calling that time out up 17 on Georgetown. JT3 is right there with him. Maybe I'm still having nightmares from 2008 in Raleigh.
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Post by Buckets on Jan 10, 2012 18:28:08 GMT -5
Part of the reason this loss is frustrating is because of its similarity to a lot of our pre-injury losses last season. End '09-'10 season losing to Ohio because you can't stop Bassett and Cooper, lose to Temple because we got lit up by Ramone Moore, beat by ND, lost to St. John's because Dwight Hardy embarrassed Clark and collapsed the whole defense, get lit up by Casey Mitchell and lose to WV, lost to Pitt, then let Kemba Walker go 9/14 for 20 points in the second half and lose to UConn. Then last night you lose because you let Dixon and Kilpatrick go 18/31 for 49 points.
Difference is this year we have a capable perimeter defender in Trawick and a team that's shown to be capable of playing zone, and we nail Trawick to the bench and apparently III is concerned with rebounding from a zone against a team that plays four guards.
Repeatedly throwing away the ball is frustrating, too, but not as frustrating as watching the same type of player beat you over and over again while you ignore Trawick and playing zone.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Jan 10, 2012 19:16:16 GMT -5
Part of the reason this loss is frustrating is because of its similarity to a lot of our pre-injury losses last season. End '09-'10 season losing to Ohio because you can't stop Bassett and Cooper, lose to Temple because we got lit up by Ramone Moore, beat by ND, lost to St. John's because Dwight Hardy embarrassed Clark and collapsed the whole defense, get lit up by Casey Mitchell and lose to WV, lost to Pitt, then let Kemba Walker go 9/14 for 20 points in the second half and lose to UConn. Then last night you lose because you let Dixon and Kilpatrick go 18/31 for 49 points. Difference is this year we have a capable perimeter defender in Trawick and a team that's shown to be capable of playing zone, and we nail Trawick to the bench and apparently III is concerned with rebounding from a zone against a team that plays four guards. Repeatedly throwing away the ball is frustrating, too, but not as frustrating as watching the same type of player beat you over and over again while you ignore Trawick and playing zone. nah, youre right. we should have beaten all those teams.
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Post by richfame on Jan 10, 2012 19:33:20 GMT -5
One refreshing thing ive noticed is the caliber of talk here on hoyatalk. I dont see alot of the more annoying posters of the last few years. I think there has been alot of good back and forth even though we lost a couple of games we should not have. A lot of good constructive criticisim, way to stay classy.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 10, 2012 20:07:48 GMT -5
Keeping it simple: GU had a 5 pt. lead with 4 and change left. Turned the ball over a few times. If that doesn't happen, GU wins. No complaints about all of that extra stuff (coaching bad, players didn't show up, etc. etc.)
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Post by gahoya on Jan 10, 2012 22:07:14 GMT -5
One refreshing thing ive noticed is the caliber of talk here on hoyatalk. I dont see alot of the more annoying posters of the last few years. I think there has been alot of good back and forth even though we lost a couple of games we should not have. A lot of good constructive criticisim, way to stay classy. Thank the mods for most of that. Deleting threads and moving posts at will helps keep the board clean and organized and not repetitive. Also puts an end to the one-on-one fights taking up a whole thread.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 11, 2012 1:18:50 GMT -5
Repeatedly throwing away the ball is frustrating, too, but not as frustrating as watching the same type of player beat you over and over again while you ignore Trawick and playing zone. I agree with this. I was very puzzled and frustrated that we did not play more zone. We played a 2-3 for a few possessions in the first half that was pretty effective (except for one possession when someone (Dixon I think) drove into a huge seam at the foul and hit a jumper). I think we also tried a 1-3-1 for a possession or two, but it seemed like no one knew what they were doing and it was a disaster. Was waiting for the 2-3 in the 2nd half.
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 11, 2012 9:02:19 GMT -5
Maybe III saw something on tape that we all missed, I was sure he would have gone zone, but that's why he gets paid $3M and we pay to watch and crfiticize.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 11, 2012 9:59:24 GMT -5
One refreshing thing ive noticed is the caliber of talk here on hoyatalk. I dont see alot of the more annoying posters of the last few years. I think there has been alot of good back and forth even though we lost a couple of games we should not have. A lot of good constructive criticisim, way to stay classy. We have exceeded expectations so far. That keeps the trolls in check. String together a couple more losses and they will resurface. (possibly the biggest reason of all that we need to right the ship starting on Sunday!).
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 11, 2012 10:53:28 GMT -5
Maybe III saw something on tape that we all missed, I was sure he would have gone zone, but that's why he gets paid $3M and we pay to watch and crfiticize. Who cares about what he may have seen on tape or how much he gets paid. Live game action clearly showed that the defense he had his team using wasn't working and needed to be adjusted.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 11, 2012 14:53:15 GMT -5
They need a point guard. Not a coincidence that the team's play has declined since Markel topped out in the Louisville game. It is beginning to seem that Markel has taken a step back. His shooting has been off and his defense below average. As for the need for a point guard, I am not certain. Once the ball crosses mid-court, the role of the point guard on this team is really different. The distribution of the ball often runs through the bigs and not Starks. Starks is expected to move and find an open spot to present a threat from the outside or to cut to the basket--something he has not done effectively since the Louisville game. Still think it is too early to give up on him, but with a deeper bench it seems that JT III has to keep trying out combinations to find out which one is working. Last night the problem was that he fell in love with Otto at the end and the production on the floor did not justify the minutes played. Additionally, Henry was again off with his shot around the basket and Hollis has not been good on defense this year and when he does not produce on offense, he is not a major asset on the floor. It really is a shame that Otto does not currently present more of an outside threat. Ditto for Greg and Jabril. Any one of those three would take the pressure off of Hollis and Jason. You might be right, although it seems like the bigs are committing a lot of turnovers -- the ballhandlers should be handling the ball.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 11, 2012 16:15:21 GMT -5
Our bigs also account for a lot of our creation as well.
Our TO Rate (Turnovers as a % of possessions ended -- TOs, Assists, FGA, FTA) by player is below. Note almost everyone was below 20% before the latest skid.
Whittington - 22.4 Markel - 22.2 Hopkins - 21.6 Sims - 21.2 Lubick - 21.1 -------------------------- Clark - 18.3 (average) --------------------------' Porter - 16.0 Hollis - 13.7 Trawick - 13.3
Note that Porter and Trawick aren't even necessarily good -- complementary players should be down there.
Hollis' is excellent, and Clark's is sort of Hoya-decent. Everyone else's is subpar and has been horrid recently. It's not just the bigs -- Markel in particular had an awful Marquette game (perhaps injury related) but he's also never been one to take care of the ball, period.
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 11, 2012 18:02:45 GMT -5
Seemed like III put a lot of trust in Greg W. (can't fault that) and his on-ball defense after his prior displays and went down with the ship in this one. After a few sequences it should have been clear that this was not the night for it and either utilize the zone or Jabril.
Turnovers..all I ask for is to cut out the ones that come on the inbounds plays. I'll live with the others, but for the love of god..make those stop. Not only do we give the ball up but it usually results in a fast break for the opponent.
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Post by gahoya on Jan 11, 2012 22:12:20 GMT -5
Seemed like III put a lot of trust in Greg W. (can't fault that) and his on-ball defense after his prior displays and went down with the ship in this one. After a few sequences it should have been clear that this was not the night for it and either utilize the zone or Jabril. Turnovers..all I ask for is to cut out the ones that come on the inbounds plays. I'll live with the others, but for the love of god..make those stop. Not only do we give the ball up but it usually results in a fast break for the opponent. The inbounds turnovers have to go, but with them so can the dropped passes and just stupid plays where the guy's mind is somewhere else. Right there goes 5 turnovers a game.
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