Oak Hill vs. Miller Grove Game Discussion

[NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom]

Having seen many of DSR's games, his stroke is nice. Fluid, good rotation. Has had a lot of rim outs. Will be fine. If you want an above the rim finisher, he's not it. But he has that knack around the bucket to use his body to shield or draw the foul. Good passer.

The reason I love his game for Gtown is his zone buster ability. I'll explain. Georgetown's offense is very difficult for most teams to guard man to man. Where we have always struggled throughout the JT3 era was against zones. In the Green years he was the man placed on the free throw line. He could pass, shoot the mid range or drive and finish. Last season we found success with Chris Wright manning that responsibility. But we've never had a 2 that could do it extremely well. DSR's skills are perfect for that role. Great midrange game. Can drive and finish. And can pass. Your move Cuse.

[RDF]

Still on fence about his future/role?

1. Love his FT stroke--has prettiest looking FT's from a Hoya I've ever seen. Always looks like it'll go in and I don't think he's missed in 3 games I've watched this year.

2. Good hoops IQ on offensive end. Not a ball hog by any means, and learning to pick spots where to score/when to defer-which is important seeing that is what college ball will be like.

3. Negative side is that he's not getting any experience at PG spot. Tyler Lewis is an excellent PG prospect-sees entire court, gets right people the ball, and if you pass like that--you should have the ball in your hands. He can push tempo or get good shots in halfcourt.

4. DSR's looked shaky against press in games I've watched, and really bothered by quicker/bigger defender. (as was Austin Freeman)

5. Doesn't remind me of Austin Freeman at all in terms of game/style of play--in some of the weaknesses he does--but Freeman was a much better athlete even if not in the shape he was in prior/after his Hoya career.

6. Defensively--he's awful. Loses his man repeatedly be it zone or man, has no lateral quickness, lags behind when opposing team gets in transition, and doesn't dig down to help interior defense or stay with man--floats in no man's land.

7. Great mid range game--nice looking shot--(I've yet to see him make a 3pt shot in any of the 3 games I've seen this year) and does a good job around FT area.

8. Strong kid and while I question whether or not he'll be able to draw fouls/get to FT line as much in college-it's unknown question and will really decide his career imo. If he can't get those calls--it's a huge challenge for him moving forward because he's going to get his shot blocked/altered a lot in college at High Major level. He's struggled to score in paint in last 2 games I've watched and both teams had interior players/size that you see in college and will be high major D-1 players. That is a ? mark for him entering Georgetown as we've seen Hoyas invert their offense with some success, but DSR's scoring has come in paint in all the games i've seen him this year at Oak Hill and at FT line. He's too strong for HS guys who aren't his peers-but put a bigger guy on him and he's struggled.

Going to be interesting going forward. Think he's an excellent HS scorer and not sure how he'll translate to next level--and really not sure if Oak Hill move has helped-because he's not getting to play PG at all. He's a non athletic small 2G right now who is a defensive liability. I think he's a huge weapon as a FT shooter late in games--and tha'ts great because you can sub for him on other end-and will have to--that lack of footspeed is offset by some horrible fundamentals on defensive end and not helped at Oak Hill. (same with Jordan Adams)

Tony Parker--nice job to drop some bad lbs he put on this Summer after losing it in Spring and great touch. Defensive liability and has to play alongside a shot blocker or big who can defend and leave his job on defense to rebound. Floats in/out of games too much and too many lapses and plays small in big moments in the games I've seen (watched 12 of his games including tonight since April). Always come away wondering where he went when team needed him to step up?

Jordan Adams is same player I saw prior to his JR year but has added 25 lbs of junkfood. Great shooter when in shape but lacks all around offensive skill set he used to show--too relegated to hoisting up 3's. Lost post game ability and doesn't provide anything on defensive end--he's the worst defender on a mediocre defending Oak Hill team.

[gujake]

Agree with just about everything RDF says above.

The one thing I will quibble with is his getting to the FT line as what will decide his college career. I just can't see that being a go-to move for him. I think he'll be able to do it occasionally, especially on back doors and fast breaks, but I can't envision him spending much time in the paint. He's small, a little slow, and not a great jumper. That's a recipe for a lot of blocked shots against bigger opponents if you try to force your way in.

I think 3-point shooting will be a much bigger factor. His shooting mechanics are amazing. If he can develop into a great 3-point shooter, that would be very valuable. We have seen how important that skill is in our offense.

Obviously has a long way to go on defense.

[lancasterhoyafan]

I'm not as overly enthusiastic about DSR as some. Other than a beautiful free throw stroke he's not exceptionally quick, not much hops, and seems lazy at times.

[SirSaxa]

I was impressed with DSR too, although I should add the specific points RDF raised are valid and it will be interesting to see how this plays out. DSR was playing against a quality team (although really -- not much defense played by either team) and was very effective at the offensive end. He's a point-making machine.

Parker was clearly very impressive, basically unstoppable on the offensive end.

But the kid who impressed me the most -- maybe because he looked like a Jr. HS kid and the bar of expectations could not have been lower - was Tyler Lewis. That kid is a magician with the ball, gets it to everyone on the court in the right place at the right time, and has a bunch of herky jerky moves to free himself up and hit shots.

The announcers said a couple of times, if you walked in to a gym full of kids for a pick up game, he wouldn't get picked. But he was solid throughout the game tonight and money from the line. NC State gets him, Warren and Purvis - and maybe more? That class is the foundation that will enable NC State to compete with Duke and UNC.

[adlai]

To me he real question is whether or not he will be able to knock down threes or not. Wallace was a step slow on defense but the pieces were there to make up for it. I think we can do so again next year. Wallace not only ran the offense, but spread the floor given his shooting ability which opened up passing lanes. Combined with Jeff and the other pieces it made the offense in the top five in offensive efficiency. Losing Jason and in all likelihood Hollis, we badly need a pure shooter (or two). Greg may be one of those once he gets comfortable and Markel has improved dramatically, but I would hope DSR could fill this role. If he can, with Otto's continued development we have the potential to be near the top in offensive efficiency again.

[whatmaroon]

First I've seen of DSR, and I didn't seen the whole game. I've paid some attention to the various recruiting posts, but honestly was expecting more of an explosive athlete for someone ranked that high as a prospect. As RDF says, he's not the same player as AF, but the comparison feels natural because of the mid-range game and marginal defensive effort/quickness.

If you have a quick PG, don't you just let him blow by Tyler Lewis all game?

[lichoya68]

wow LOTS of future pros out there who could beat alot of college teams imo wowo

[daytonahoya31]

DSR would be a perfect sixth man next season. Start Greg or Jabril at the two, and let him play both guard spots. Great stroke, but really needs more quickness. Has no lift whatsoever.

Laughed when announcers compared him to Austin Freeman. They are two completely different guys. DSR finds ways to score, though. I'll give him that

[prhoya]

Catching up here. As stated above, DSR looked great from the line. His stroke is fantastic and identical. To me, his drives looked like CW's, not AF's, except he's a couple of inches taller and bigger at the same stage. We'll see if those work at the BE level.

[EtomicB]

Dec 16, 2011 1:48:32 GMT -5 RDF said:

Still on fence about his future/role?

1. Love his FT stroke--has prettiest looking FT's from a Hoya I've ever seen. Always looks like it'll go in and I don't think he's missed in 3 games I've watched this year.

2. Good hoops IQ on offensive end. Not a ball hog by any means, and learning to pick spots where to score/when to defer-which is important seeing that is what college ball will be like.

3. Negative side is that he's not getting any experience at PG spot. Tyler Lewis is an excellent PG prospect-sees entire court, gets right people the ball, and if you pass like that--you should have the ball in your hands. He can push tempo or get good shots in halfcourt.

4. DSR's looked shaky against press in games I've watched, and really bothered by quicker/bigger defender. (as was Austin Freeman)

5. Doesn't remind me of Austin Freeman at all in terms of game/style of play--in some of the weaknesses he does--but Freeman was a much better athlete even if not in the shape he was in prior/after his Hoya career.

6. Defensively--he's awful. Loses his man repeatedly be it zone or man, has no lateral quickness, lags behind when opposing team gets in transition, and doesn't dig down to help interior defense or stay with man--floats in no man's land.

7. Great mid range game--nice looking shot--(I've yet to see him make a 3pt shot in any of the 3 games I've seen this year) and does a good job around FT area.

8. Strong kid and while I question whether or not he'll be able to draw fouls/get to FT line as much in college-it's unknown question and will really decide his career imo. If he can't get those calls--it's a huge challenge for him moving forward because he's going to get his shot blocked/altered a lot in college at High Major level. He's struggled to score in paint in last 2 games I've watched and both teams had interior players/size that you see in college and will be high major D-1 players. That is a ? mark for him entering Georgetown as we've seen Hoyas invert their offense with some success, but DSR's scoring has come in paint in all the games i've seen him this year at Oak Hill and at FT line. He's too strong for HS guys who aren't his peers-but put a bigger guy on him and he's struggled.

Going to be interesting going forward. Think he's an excellent HS scorer and not sure how he'll translate to next level--and really not sure if Oak Hill move has helped-because he's not getting to play PG at all. He's a non athletic small 2G right now who is a defensive liability. I think he's a huge weapon as a FT shooter late in games

RDF, you saying you're on the fence about DSR is like Grover Norquist saying he’s on the fence about taxes.. :-)

I just finished watching the game on DVR which was the 3rd time I’ve seen him live this year also and I came away happy he’s committed to G’town.

I agree with your views on his offensive game especially the part about him not being a ball hog and how he seems to know when to attack and defer. He’s such a natural scorer, even with the blocked shots and missing his 3pt attempts the Kid still scored 20pts against a top HS team that has D1 players on it!! To me that’s impressive.

I also agree with you about his defense, it’s horrible away from the ball in help situations but that can be improved upon with coaching and work.

I don’t agree with you & others who say he’s non-athletic though, he’s plenty athletic enough to compete in the BE or any conference for that matter.

The kid isn’t “explosive” for sure and if he had to play against a John Wall type he’d get his hat handed to him but so would 98% of other guards in college and 85% or more of pro’s too.

However I don't buy it that he may have an issue competing with Triche or Waiters from Syracuse or Wayans or Ty Johnson from Nova or Kuric or Smith from L’ville or Woodall from Pitt ect ect...

DSR has played well at the highest levels of HS and AAU ball so I don’t see why he wouldn’t play well at the BE level too..

[SirSaxa]

DSR did have that pretty, nicely-anticipated and perfectly timed block on 6'10" Tony Parker.

[tashoya]

I can't stand Triche but, from what little I've seen, Triche would muscle DSR with very little problem. Even without the strength component, Triche is more athletic and it's not all that close. Again, I haven't seen much. But that's my impression. That said, I like a lot of what this kid can do. Especially if he commits on the defensive end.

[prhoya]

The kid had a couple or more quick steals, so at least he has that defensively.

[hoyas big supporter]

Dec 18, 2011 19:58:03 GMT -5 tashoya said:

I can't stand Triche but, from what little I've seen, Triche would muscle DSR with very little problem. Even without the strength component, Triche is more athletic and it's not all that close. Again, I haven't seen much. But that's my impression. That said, I like a lot of what this kid can do. Especially if he commits on the defensive end.

Yeah Triche would own DSR.......what dude? When did this bromance start?

With regards to DSR, people on this board have either been too optimistic or too cautiously pessimistic. IMO, DSR has done more than enough to Validate his ranking/status and he will be a player for us in time. Some people are selling this guy too short. He has consistently proven that he can play well against the best. Saying that DSR is not nearly as close as athletic as Triche? word.

[tashoya]

tgod... as I said, I can't stand Triche. Just how I see it. You can disagree. Do you think DSR is as athletic or more athletic than Triche?

Also, I didn't, at any point, say that he was too highly rated.

[nychoya3]

Triche is slow and not a leaper. Come on. DSR is at least as good as him and he seems more advanced skill wise. And even with his big frame, Triche isn't much of a rebounder at all.

[hoyazeke]

I believe the Triche comparisons are pretty accurate. I believe that DRS is a more advanced scorer at this stage than Triche at the same stage. Not sure, but I dont believe Triche played the same level of competition in HS.................

[hoyas big supporter]

Dec 18, 2011 20:58:04 GMT -5 tashoya said:

tgod... as I said, I can't stand Triche. Just how I see it. You can disagree. Do you think DSR is as athletic or more athletic than Triche?

Also, I didn't, at any point, say that he was too highly rated.

I think he is, at minimum, as athletic. But in reality, he is probably more athletic considering the fact that you are one of the only people I have ever witnessed praise Triche's athleticism.

And also, no one, at any point, accused you of thinking DSR was too highly rated.

[idhoya]

I think Triche is bigger