DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on May 23, 2012 20:47:00 GMT -5
Perfectly light, thank you. Can you not see the intentional irony of me commenting as a moderator in my own off topic post about staying on topic?
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 23, 2012 23:09:49 GMT -5
twitter.com/#!/JCDeuceUNO/status/205329340622323713 MOD NOTE: edited to include text.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 23, 2012 23:20:56 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on May 23, 2012 23:35:54 GMT -5
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on May 24, 2012 10:12:19 GMT -5
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Post by Filo on May 24, 2012 10:18:20 GMT -5
Coack K gets his revenge for GM not picking Duke!
That comment about skill sets geared toward international play is downsight bizarre. I would think GM's skillset is perfect for international play.
Well, one thing is for certain -- they obviously don't give a flying %#&@ about character and how well you would represent the country.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on May 24, 2012 10:35:14 GMT -5
Seriously. Derrick Favors is lost if he catches it less than 3 feet from the rim. Greg is one of the best passing big guys in the league!
He isn't a great defender at this stage, but I don't think Favors or Blair really are either.
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Post by kchoya on May 25, 2012 9:35:40 GMT -5
I can't decide if Frank Vogel is an idiot, or if the perimeter players on Indiana are morons. Was there a competition over the past few games to see how many quick threes they could jack up while ignoring Hibbert (and West) down low? They should spend the entire summer learning how to make entry passes.
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Post by Ottomatic on May 25, 2012 9:53:53 GMT -5
I am not in favor of Roy staying with the Pacers unless they will get him consistent touches. CONSISTENT. That means 13-17 field goal attempts, not just touches. And 20-25 touches. Because he is a great passer as well (he showed it last night). At 7'2" how can he not be used that much? Its ridiculous.
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Post by Dhall on May 25, 2012 9:58:21 GMT -5
Roy did a lousy job establishing position for himself. Yes, they could have thrown him the ball more but he was setting up with his back to the basket 16 feet away - not much point in giving it to him there. He also gets stripped plenty, which kind of negates his passing ability.
I love Roy, but he has a lot to work on still. He also is not a great fit for most teams' style of play. So I think he should just stick it out in Indiana with a team on its way up and only getting better. They could use another point guard though.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 25, 2012 9:59:41 GMT -5
@ NY,
I understand that Derrick plays for the Utah Jazz, so you must not have seen him much this year. He's not lost more than three feet away from the rim, and Greg is not leaps and bounds ahead of him. Greg may be a better passer right now, but he's nowhere near the defender Derrick is even now.
Derrick will be a 10-time all-star in this league. He's a great defender and a better rebounder, and as an athlete already has few peers at the power forward position. It says something about his talent that the Jazz are almost certainly going to trade either Paul Millsap or Al Jefferson, two very good players in their own right, this summer to make room for him. Greg is a better overall player than Derrick now, but three years down the road I don't think that will be the case at all.
That being said, Greg is most certainly leaps and bounds ahead of DaJuan Blair and Taj Gibson. Blair doesn't even get off the bench anymore in San Antonio. So yes, he should be on the select team.
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Post by kchoya on May 25, 2012 10:14:07 GMT -5
Roy did a lousy job establishing position for himself. Yes, they could have thrown him the ball more but he was setting up with his back to the basket 16 feet away - not much point in giving it to him there. He also gets stripped plenty, which kind of negates his passing ability. I love Roy, but he has a lot to work on still. He also is not a great fit for most teams' style of play. So I think he should just stick it out in Indiana with a team on its way up and only getting better. They could use another point guard though. I don't know what games you watched, but Roy did a fine job establishing position. I saw opportunity after opportunity where he was open down low and the perimeter players didn't even look in his direction. And numerous other times they made horrible entry passes.
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Post by kchoya on May 25, 2012 10:15:22 GMT -5
@ NY, I understand that Derrick plays for the Utah Jazz, so you must not have seen him much this year. He's not lost more than three feet away from the rim, and Greg is not leaps and bounds ahead of him. Greg may be a better passer right now, but he's nowhere near the defender Derrick is even now. Derrick will be a 10-time all-star in this league. He's a great defender and a better rebounder, and as an athlete already has few peers at the power forward position. It says something about his talent that the Jazz are almost certainly going to trade either Paul Millsap or Al Jefferson, two very good players in their own right, this summer to make room for him. Greg is a better overall player than Derrick now, but three years down the road I don't think that will be the case at all. That being said, Greg is most certainly leaps and bounds ahead of DaJuan Blair and Taj Gibson. Blair doesn't even get off the bench anymore in San Antonio. So yes, he should be on the select team. Greg is leaps and bounds ahead of him if you're looking for players, at this time, for the USA Select team.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 25, 2012 10:36:30 GMT -5
Roy did a fine job establishing position. I saw opportunity after opportunity where he was open down low and the perimeter players didn't even look in his direction. And numerous other times they made horrible entry passes. Their offense does seem weird in its design in that with Hibbert and West, you would think they would play inside out more and attack the rim, rather than predominantly looking to shoot deep jumpers. Maybe Miami's defense had something to do with that. I admit that I only saw the Pacers a couple of times prior to the playoffs, and I was not as focused on the game when watching them as I am when watching us.
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Post by nychoya3 on May 25, 2012 10:36:34 GMT -5
Greg is way better than Derrick Favors at this moment. It's really not close. That's not a knock on Favors particularly. It's more that Greg was one of the better big men in the NBA this past year. Also, he's 21, 1 year older than Favors.
As for Favors potential...we'll see. I'm not sold on "10 time all star" but clearly he has some physical gifts.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 25, 2012 10:57:41 GMT -5
I don't agree with that at all...I'm on the Jazz beat and saw him 65 times this season. The only thing that held him back this year was his minutes. If he had played 35 minutes a game, he would've averaged 15 and 11 just off activity....Greg is not leaps and bounds ahead of him. I'm just being objective here
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on May 25, 2012 11:03:15 GMT -5
I don't agree with that at all...I'm on the Jazz beat and saw him 65 times this season. The only thing that held him back this year was his minutes. If he had played 35 minutes a game, he would've averaged 15 and 11 just off activity....Greg is not leaps and bounds ahead of him. I'm just being objective here Even if this is the case, and Favors does have potential to average those stats, you are nevertheless still projecting what he could do. Greg's actually put up the numbers and proven what he can do. Shouldn't we be rewarding a guy for his actual production? And it's not like Greg has come close to reaching his ceiling either. It just strikes me as absurd that Favors, whose always mentioned with the word potential (and yes, I'm a Nets fan and followed him closely when he was playing there) gets the nod over Greg -- who was an all-star snub this year IMO.
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Post by Dhall on May 25, 2012 11:09:29 GMT -5
Roy did a lousy job establishing position for himself. Yes, they could have thrown him the ball more but he was setting up with his back to the basket 16 feet away - not much point in giving it to him there. He also gets stripped plenty, which kind of negates his passing ability. I love Roy, but he has a lot to work on still. He also is not a great fit for most teams' style of play. So I think he should just stick it out in Indiana with a team on its way up and only getting better. They could use another point guard though. I don't know what games you watched, but Roy did a fine job establishing position. I saw opportunity after opportunity where he was open down low and the perimeter players didn't even look in his direction. And numerous other times they made horrible entry passes. So former Coach O'Brien, current Coach Vogel and the entire Pacers roster is to blame, but not Roy. Ok. West somehow had a good series. Anyone who has played basketball knows that the entry pass is as much the responsibility of the receiver as it is the passer.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 25, 2012 11:13:37 GMT -5
I'm not really projecting. There were a number of games that Millsap and Jefferson were hurt, when Derrick stepped in and played like a monster for 35 minutes. He played so well that he forced his way into the starting lineup during the playoffs. And none of this is to impune Greg in any way, because I love him and love his skillset. I happen to think the three best young bigs in the league are Greg, D Cousins and Derrick. I would take Derrick and Greg in a heartbeat over Cousins.
Also, Hoya, the Derrick that was in Jersey and the Utah Jazz Derrick are two different players, even in the short time frame of a year. Like I said previously, he plays with Utah now, so I'm probably the only one who has really seen him extensively. The rest of you are remembering what you saw out of New Jersey when he was so raw.
But the point is this: Derrick and Greg belong on the select team. Neither DaJuan Blair nor Taj Gibson are anywhere close to Derrick and Greg as players.
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Post by deacon on May 25, 2012 11:24:26 GMT -5
If I could take one guy right now, I'd take Favors over Greg without even thinking about it.
Like has been mentioned, he's a MUCH better defender and the only thing holding him back is minutes. If he gets the same minutes next season that Greg gets, he'll exceed his production everywhere.
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